Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[tris]

I'm fine with a tris or ranger lim as well if people want to switch there. I had the most wonderful nap.

I know which of those two you're likely to vote.

ehehehe

[usesPython]

We would quite literally rather die here over ranger in necessary since that at least lets ranger snipe instead of us

You're so confident in your Ranger read that you would rather die instead of her?

yeah

That's ridiculous

How so? We have 0 confidence in sniping scum

If you are town then you are 100% sure of your alignment. You can only be as high as 99% sure about Ranger's alignment. There's no world where you should volunteer to die instead of her

Normally correct, wrong in this setup since we also need to snipe mafia at the end which relies on read accuracy and modifies the EV to be based on `chance of being town * chance of sniping scum`

[Political Clout]

1334 and the python stuff and like trying to dissect the fire / dann relationship

1334

read to me as an attempt to pocket you

. You were in no danger, yet he went out of his way to create a reason for townreading you.

It looked highly performative to me.

That was one of the posts which pinged me on Political Clout in the first place.

Can you give me where the python stuff and the fire/dann breakdown is?

feel free to prove it. point out which lines/ sentences lead you to that conclusion.

[Black]

We would quite literally rather die here over ranger in necessary since that at least lets ranger snipe instead of us

You're so confident in your Ranger read that you would rather die instead of her?

yeah

That's ridiculous

How so? We have 0 confidence in sniping scum

If you are town then you are 100% sure of your alignment. You can only be as high as 99% sure about Ranger's alignment. There's no world where you should volunteer to die instead of her

Normally correct, wrong in this setup since we also need to snipe mafia at the end which relies on read accuracy and modifies the EV to be based on `chance of being town * chance of sniping scum`

From my experience with Ranger her read accuracy is atrocious so why do you have so much confidence in her?

[Ranger]

Can you give me where the python stuff and the fire/dann breakdown is?

Per 1671;
For the Python breakdown, I felt it was an easy push to make, and the conclusion from it lacked conviction. The bare minimum.

I don't really see a fire/Dann breakdown.

[usesPython]

From my experience with Ranger her read accuracy is atrocious so why do you have so much confidence in her?

Ranger's been pretty accurate in the games we've played with her?

[Political Clout]

Can you give me where the python stuff and the fire/dann breakdown is?

Per 1671;
For the Python breakdown,

I felt it was an easy push to make, and the conclusion from it lacked conviction.

The bare minimum.

I don't really see a fire/Dann breakdown.

alright go ahead and prove it point out which sentences/statements lead you to that conclusion and why.

[Black]

Not in the one's I've played with her. I guess we've seen two different sides of Ranger's accuracy

[Ranger]

If you are town then you are 100% sure of your alignment. You can only be as high as 99% sure about Ranger's alignment. There's no world where you should volunteer to die instead of her

There is if you believe it's the best of a bad situation. If you feel the game will lead to two town eliminations, one after another, and they are locked to yourself and a townread, then the order of the mislims matters. I don't want to place the fate of the town in Python's hands. I'd

prefer

to eliminate scum yet if it

must

be dual mislims, I'd prefer to take the snipe shot myself after two scum flip.

I understand Python's view being the same. Python doesn't want to place the fate of the town in their hands. They'd

prefer

to eliminate scum yet if it

must

be dual mislims, they'd prefer me to take the snipe shot after two scum flip.

[tris]

who do you think is scum python

pre replacements in JV/Roden/tris/jupiter
post replacements tris still stays in and we've been too busy trying to not die to analyze the newer posts

those are like all the weakest voices in the game

JV and Roden certainly qualify.

I wouldn't call the second and third highest postcount total players the weakest voices though. You and Jupiter are topping the postcount charts.

like 90% of jupiters posts are about horror video games or something. maybe i dont have the best perspective on myself tho. i just know that my thoughts crumble to sand all the time, and im not very good at making cases or whatever

[Dannflor]

it seems a strange assumption to make that we're just going to steam ahead without reevaluating after missing D1

[Ranger]

feel free to prove it. point out which lines/ sentences lead you to that conclusion.

The context is from the gamestate and your previous posts on her. You had a weak initial scumread on her, and 1334 was a reversal thereof. Scumreading into townread with a case for why to townread is a classical pocketing method. hellbooks was in no danger of being eliminated. Pushing her wasn't ever going to go anywhere, and writing a case for why she's town wasn't going to make an impact on anyone. She was already seen as town with no momentum.

Yet you still made a case on her being town, despite there being no need for it. Altogether, given the prior weak push and the lack of reason, it reads as an attempt to get hellbooks to be pocketed by your efforts.

[Political Clout]

feel free to prove it. point out which lines/ sentences lead you to that conclusion.

The context is from the gamestate and your previous posts on her. You had a weak initial scumread on her, and 1334 was a reversal thereof. Scumreading into townread with a case for why to townread is a classical pocketing method. hellbooks was in no danger of being eliminated. Pushing her wasn't ever going to go anywhere, and writing a case for why she's town wasn't going to make an impact on anyone. She was already seen as town with no momentum.

Yet you still made a case on her being town, despite there being no need for it. Altogether, given the prior weak push and the lack of reason, it reads as an attempt to get hellbooks to be pocketed by your efforts.

HUH?
this is all just post hoc analysis.

[Ranger]

From my experience with Ranger her read accuracy is atrocious so why do you have so much confidence in her?

Who was the player which almost figured out the scumteam thought impossible to figure out?

I got

very close

last game. Too little too late, yet it still was a danger. I believe in my abilities to land on scum when given two to look at.

[hellbooks]

im starting to wonder about limming jupiter or fireisredsir

[tris]

feel free to prove it. point out which lines/ sentences lead you to that conclusion.

The context is from the gamestate and your previous posts on her. You had a weak initial scumread on her, and 1334 was a reversal thereof. Scumreading into townread with a case for why to townread is a classical pocketing method. hellbooks was in no danger of being eliminated. Pushing her wasn't ever going to go anywhere, and writing a case for why she's town wasn't going to make an impact on anyone. She was already seen as town with no momentum.

Yet you still made a case on her being town, despite there being no need for it. Altogether, given the prior weak push and the lack of reason, it reads as an attempt to get hellbooks to be pocketed by your efforts.

does that mean fire is red sir was pocketting me

[hellbooks]

advancing insane jup/dann/fire theory in order to see that they went wild about this post in the pt in postgame

[tris]

im starting to wonder about limming jupiter or fireisredsir

whoa holy shit

[tris]

hellbooks 100% town. not 99% but 100 per cents

[tris]

black is probably town

[Ranger]

alright go ahead and prove it point out which sentences/statements lead you to that conclusion and why.

usesPython was an easy push to make because there was an easy way to win over the crowd. Dannflor for instance was looking unfavorably upon them for their Jupiter stance in this timeframe. There was a lot of interest in usesPython, and anyone reading the game from their replace-in could see usesPython as a viable push to make.

The lack of conviction, you asking this isn't a real question. It's in literally every sentence in the post. I do mean,

every

sentence, a lack of conviction. You're asking me to quote every sentence you wrote there. I'll simplify by showing the end;

overall I don't think I like pythons slot for town.

[Political Clout]

alright go ahead and prove it point out which sentences/statements lead you to that conclusion and why.

usesPython was an easy push to make because there was an easy way to win over the crowd. Dannflor for instance was looking unfavorably upon them for their Jupiter stance in this timeframe. There was a lot of interest in usesPython, and anyone reading the game from their replace-in could see usesPython as a viable push to make.

The lack of conviction, you asking this isn't a real question. It's in literally every sentence in the post. I do mean,

every

sentence, a lack of conviction. You're asking me to quote every sentence you wrote there. I'll simplify by showing the end;

overall I don't think I like pythons slot for town.

you're doing the bare minimum here ergo you are scum.

[hellbooks]

two slots ive definitely underscrutinized
i think that in a ranger and python town world scum has so much room to make Money Moves and coast the wagons to the station
although thats def unfair to say about jupiter bc theyve been gone

[Dannflor]

zzz

[Ranger]

it seems a strange assumption to make that we're just going to steam ahead without reevaluating after missing D1

Is it?

Scum get a kill N1. They kill the player most likely to reevaluate and leave the players least likely to alive. On D2 there's four town to three scum. Theoretically, they only need

one

townie who won't reevalute to make the double-mislim happen. (Yes, they're not likely to actually pile on and hammer; you should still get where I'm coming from.)

You

would reevalute; guess who scum are likely to nightkill?