In post 199, Black wrote:
My issue with gob is I can see this type of push coming from either alignment. If he's town then he's worried I'll beat him again and also I think there's a possibility he just exaggerates his confidence in this read out of spite just to get me faded. If he's scum then the "fear vote" is an easy reason to hide behind while he just endlessly pushes me and works backwards to justify it. If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push
I don’t think Black believes the last 2 points at all. Since when would gob do a ‘fear vote?’ I think Black just wants a reason to hedge on gob
Are you even reading the game? gob said himself that it was a fear vote in 22
Nvm I misunderstood what fear vote actually meant
You’re probably town
???
Your whole ISO is pushing me and shading me and suddenly I'm probably town? How did you reach that conclusion? And what are your thoughts on other players?
In post 218, Naerys wrote:
Kinda starting to feel better about gob, he doesnt feel manipulative at all, i can understand fear of Black even if i dont really agree with his push.
I'm trying to make sense of this - you don't like gob's push (fine), but unless you know that Black is town I'm not sure why manipulation is the argument you'd go with for gob's arguments.
I just feel that gob´s motivation could be genuine fear of Black, not some attempt to manipulate gamestate
idk how to better word that
In post 456, Random Nurse wrote:
OK so one thing I do want to ask is why people are pressing for a no-lim Day 1. Is it just me or does that not make any sense?
I just assume they are joking. Snow is new so he may not know why it's not optimal
In post 457, Hu Tao wrote:As soon as people stop questioning me, you unvote, how convenient
I haven't been able to read the thread that much. I didn't notice nor know why people stopped questioning you because they should question you even more, especially after this post. Are you town?
In post 458, Hu Tao wrote:I just assume they are joking. Snow is new so he may not know why it's not optimal
Are you saying not exiling anyone on D1 is sub-optimal? There's basically near zero info available on D1, so chance of a misexile is high. That's why I think we should start exiling people from D2 when there's some more info available.
In post 372, SmileyDude1 wrote:
Late night posting (probs against my better judgement given I need to get up early still but eh i'm sure i'll be fine)
Spoiler:
me tomorrow
I find more weary of Gob given their 275. One of the key reasons I townread Gob's play in my 194 was me thinking their 70 was better than rand to come from town due to it being adversarial in a way that I don't think it'd be intuitive to come from scum (Scum electing to start a push early feels feasible, but it felt unintuitive to get another player involved into the push at that point in the game as scum. Like I think scum in Gob's position would've been more likely to say disagree with Naerys take rather than escalate to calling them and Black partnered there). Their walkback leaves me more uncertain about the slot than I did before.
I've seen the cases against Black and I think something i'm probably going to aim for within the near future is reading through the early game again to see if I agree with the points made. Want to take another look with fresh eyes as I think there's a part of me that wants Black to be town that may be clouding my judgement right now. It might help on getting a better read on Gob as well.
(Was tired after my shift yesterday and ran into plans afterwards, sorry for the late post)
Alright so I did another read through and I think I see more of what StD/Ari and Cakez were talking about in regards to Black's read of Gob being fake. Their 235 does seem strange in the sense that it feels weird for this suspicion to come up at that point when Gob had been pushing a fear vote on her since the beginning of the game. There's a part of me that thinks this thought would've made more sense to have popped up earlier, but I also think Black very well could've been unsure of how serious Gob was about wanting to fear vote her. Thing is going through the rest of the game I didn't really notice any additional inconsistencies in regard to other thoughts they've espoused which makes me think this could just be an anomaly. I think i'd be willing to vote Black if need be, but it's like near the back end of players i'd want to launch today.
Think i've found Gob satisfactory upon reread. I feel like most of the reads they have given feel alright to me, if not somewhat scattered due to prioritizing Black for a goof chunk of this day phase. Would say they go back to being a lean town for now
T3->NotScum->Nurse------->Black--> (everyone else not in my keep category)
This would describe where i'm at in terms of priority launch order right now.
My thoughts about T3 212 still hold up. I'm not sure what to make of there 449 walkback. Gut instinct, it feels bad to me to 180 on their position given the other posts within the ISO but I probs need to think on it more.
I'm taking NotScum's 464 as a sign they may become easier to get a read on from day 2 onward (otherwise they'd probs be on the same rank as T3 for not providing much to work with)
In post 457, Hu Tao wrote:As soon as people stop questioning me, you unvote, how convenient
I haven't been able to read the thread that much. I didn't notice nor know why people stopped questioning you because they should question you even more, especially after this post. Are you town?
In post 458, Hu Tao wrote:I just assume they are joking. Snow is new so he may not know why it's not optimal
Are you saying not exiling anyone on D1 is sub-optimal? There's basically near zero info available on D1, so chance of a misexile is high. That's why I think we should start exiling people from D2 when there's some more info available.
Was going to write out a lengthy counter-argument but I don't really have the time or explanation skill to do so. Instead, what would you say is your strongest read right now? Even if you want to go the no-lim route it would still behoove you to acquire reads to help guide you going into the following day
In post 467, SmileyDude1 wrote:
T3->NotScum->Nurse------->Black--> (everyone else not in my keep category)
This would describe where i'm at in terms of priority launch order right now.
My thoughts about T3 212 still hold up. I'm not sure what to make of there 449 walkback. Gut instinct, it feels bad to me to 180 on their position given the other posts within the ISO but I probs need to think on it more.
I'm taking NotScum's 464 as a sign they may become easier to get a read on from day 2 onward (otherwise they'd probs be on the same rank as T3 for not providing much to work with)
VOTE: T3
Out of curiosity what's your reasoning for me being there?
In post 457, Hu Tao wrote:As soon as people stop questioning me, you unvote, how convenient
I haven't been able to read the thread that much. I didn't notice nor know why people stopped questioning you because they should question you even more, especially after this post. Are you town?
In post 458, Hu Tao wrote:I just assume they are joking. Snow is new so he may not know why it's not optimal
Are you saying not exiling anyone on D1 is sub-optimal? There's basically near zero info available on D1, so chance of a misexile is high. That's why I think we should start exiling people from D2 when there's some more info available.
How do u want to get info if u dont lim? Besides scum would likely just shoot snow which would give us 0 info
The best info we get from wagons and limming
In post 472, Naerys wrote:How do u want to get info if u dont lim? Besides scum would likely just shoot snow which would give us 0 info
The best info we get from wagons and limming
Wait for town info roles to provide info on D2? Conclusions from D1 train alone isn't reliable, they've to be combined with other info.
In post 472, Naerys wrote:How do u want to get info if u dont lim? Besides scum would likely just shoot snow which would give us 0 info
The best info we get from wagons and limming
Wait for town info roles to provide info on D2? Conclusions from D1 train alone isn't reliable, they've to be combined with other info.
NAS are you against limming today?
Regardless it's important that we do so today even if it's a member of Town because then at least we can draw associations on who wanted who limmed.
me tomorrow