Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Random Nurse]

I think i’d rather not kill hu tao or naerys today

Ha ha ha, now we’re talking.

[KayJayQueue]

I think i’d rather not kill hu tao or naerys today

While the Hu/Naerys convo is ongoing, can we discuss other options? Personally, I don’t have any other strong reads at the moment but I’d like to hear other opinions so we can discuss.

[Klick]

I've started playing the Outer Wilds DLC and it's a blast

outer wilds is my favorite game ever

I have been hesitant to play the DLC because I don't want to be disappointed when the main game was so good, but I have a totally free day today and I'm taking advantage of it. I'm very happy so far

[Klick]

VOTE: geraintm

[KayJayQueue]

Klick where do you sit currently on Hu?

TL, T, N, SL, S?

I’m sorry for needing clarification but do these acronyms mean T - town, N-neutral, S-scum, and what are the Ls? Like “leaning town”? That would make most sense to me but I don’t want to operate off my assumptions here.

(I promise I’ll pick these terms up quickly and the hand holding will dissipate soon)

[Random Nurse]

Klick where do you sit currently on Hu?

TL, T, N, SL, S?

Strongest townread that isn't you

OK, walk me through going from voting her to her basically being your strongest Townread?

[Random Nurse]

Oh look, two totally not suspicious votes for geraintm in quick succession.

[Hu Tao]

I think i’d rather not kill hu tao or naerys today

Why not Naerys?

I think her frustration seems genuine

She can be frustrated and scum.

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Here she was frustrated and scum.

[KayJayQueue]

Does anyone have an unofficial vote count?

[Datisi]

vote count 1.07

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [3]:

Aristeia, NotAScum, geraintm

Naerys [3]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue, Naerys

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

geraintm [2]:

Dannflor, Klick

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [2]:

Random Nurse

, Psyche

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[KayJayQueue]

Official is even better!

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE: unvote

[Random Nurse]

I'm leaning towards launching Naerys.

Which wafflers refuse to vote her?

[Random Nurse]

Well, there's one.

[Random Nurse]

Doctor Drew what do you think about voting either Naerys or Hu?

[KayJayQueue]

It’d be hilarious if Naerys and Hu were engaged in distancing.

…

Hilarious indeed.

Not sure how serious this comment was but I highly doubt this, solely because Hu was very close to being eliminated with the last thing they were pushing was voting Naerys out. Unless the plan was to clear naerys the rest of the game. I still just don’t see that as a good day 1 plan, but I don’t have much to go off of in terms of past game experience so I can’t say with any conviction that it couldn’t or wouldn’t happen.

Hu is very capable as Scum. I’m assuming you don’t know her like I do (10+ alts included). She once counter-claimed a Cop with a claimed guilty on her and got his ass launched.

You’re right, I don’t know her. Unfortunately, I don’t know anyone so it’s going to be harder for me to discern certain actions as genuine vs performative (or just lies)…which worries me that I might fall victim to a good manipulator at some point. So please if anyone sees me falling into what they think is a trap, don’t be shy to tell me.

At the moment I don’t think Hu Tao is being manipulative but that’s coming from my first impression and everything that’s been said up to now.

[KayJayQueue]

I'm leaning towards launching Naerys.

Which wafflers refuse to vote her?

I’m not refusing to vote, I just really want to hear opinions on anyone other than Hu Tao and Naerys right now before we just yeet someone. They’ve both self voted now, not sure if it’s out of frustration or strategy but I really think it would be best for us to just put an elimination on hold for a bit. We have the time right? Days are long if we want then to be, it seems.

[Dannflor]

KJQ, do you have opinions on other slots?

[Klick]

Klick where do you sit currently on Hu?

TL, T, N, SL, S?

Strongest townread that isn't you

OK, walk me through going from voting her to her basically being your strongest Townread?

You've already asked me this question with slightly different wording

I thought she looked fishy, it was largely based on her approach in the first few pages pinging my gut and seeming to match my vague impressions of Hu!scum based on my limited experience with her. I stuck with that for a little while, came back later and decided her approach to the self-vote thing didn't make that much sense from Hu!scum. She's since seemed much more towny to me generally in tone and content.

My mind changed as more evidence presented itself. Expect more of that from me

[Klick]

I'm leaning towards launching Naerys.

Why

[KayJayQueue]

KJQ, do you have opinions on other slots?

In post 451, I said “Personally, I don’t have any other strong reads at the moment but I’d like to hear other opinions so we can discuss.”

There are a few people I feel are town but I was hoping some more experienced players (and/or the ones that have been quiet) could offer something that I could investigate when I’m going back through posts so that I can form a better opinion.

[Klick]

Datisi your memes have been on point this game

[Klick]

Hu Tao, two things

1. I apologise for mostly ignoring your case up to this point; my brain mentally shortcuts to check out from most arguments of that nature because 9 times out of 10 they aren't that helpful and are a distraction from my sorting. I think there's a possibility for what you're arguing now to have some merit, but it's pitched the same way I've seen many many cases without merit be pitched in the past and so I kinda just glossed over it

2. I think something that would help is like, a more succinct version of exactly what it is that makes you confident in Naerys being scum. I think I have a general picture from staring at your ISO for like 20ish minutes but then it feels like there are several strands of conversation that don't feel that relevant to your overall point. Can you give me like, a 4-6 sentence summary, along with what background information to read so that I can get on the same page as you? Sorry, I know this is asking for redundant info, but it would help a lot, at least for me

@Hu Tao can I get a response to this? Doesn't have to be immediate but at some point. Since we're on the topic of voting Naerys vs other options

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, two things

1. I apologise for mostly ignoring your case up to this point; my brain mentally shortcuts to check out from most arguments of that nature because 9 times out of 10 they aren't that helpful and are a distraction from my sorting. I think there's a possibility for what you're arguing now to have some merit, but it's pitched the same way I've seen many many cases without merit be pitched in the past and so I kinda just glossed over it

2. I think something that would help is like, a more succinct version of exactly what it is that makes you confident in Naerys being scum. I think I have a general picture from staring at your ISO for like 20ish minutes but then it feels like there are several strands of conversation that don't feel that relevant to your overall point. Can you give me like, a 4-6 sentence summary, along with what background information to read so that I can get on the same page as you? Sorry, I know this is asking for redundant info, but it would help a lot, at least for me

@Hu Tao can I get a response to this? Doesn't have to be immediate but at some point. Since we're on the topic of voting Naerys vs other options

Please post the exact contradictions.

Might set me off digging there.

Spoiler:

I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points

No, scum wants as many town PRs to oust as possible. Thats why i am pretty sure atleast 1 scum, maybe 2 scums were on Nurse.

How would scum know RN was a pr? This makes no sense.

Naerys might be scum

I think Naerys is arguing this as town and I trust her judgement

Join us gera

Nope. Her reasoning is flawed. It implies scum knew RN was pr. And naerys makes bad arguments like this as scum. So she's prob scum. I still think NotAScum is the better vote here

Help me yeet Hu and you will become solid town, nurse

Sell me on Hu-Hu first thanks.

Ask yourself, what motivation would townie have in helping with creating a speedwagon so early? They way the votes on you grew, wasnt townie at all IMO.

Reminder that last game you did this AS TOWN. Creating a quick wagon.

This is terrible logic.

Reminder that last game you did this AS TOWN. Creating a quick wagon.

That was then, this is now. And current speedwagon reeks rather badly.

What makes it reek? That you know who is scum this game?
And remind me? How many scum were on that wagon?

Answer:

0

It is worth the sacrifice to get 1 scum out the game. But only if it is agreed that she is the elimination tomorrow

that's really dumb! why would anyone agree to that? has an entire town ever agreed to that?

Well if town thinks I'm scum better for them to see I'm town and just vote out my scumread after. Last time Naerys was scum and I was town I literally had to beg for 3 pages for town to eliminate Naerys after I flipped town.

For context:

1 or 2 more for hammer. I probably die tonight. Good bye everyone. I think Naerys is last assuming Prince is scum

Last scum is likely not vanilla.

So enchant is prob town if he's confirmed vanilla.

I think Dunn and kyouko are town.

PoP is likely scum .

Broccoli by vibe is town but by play is sus.

Naerys is likely scum partner and should be the elim tomorrow assuming PoP is scum

Naerys
Hu Tao
Broccoli Quest 2
Guillotina
Enchant
Dunnstral
ssbm_Kyouko

This is the alive list - 7 alive, 4 to hammer - Naerys, Hu Tao, BQ2 and I voted you

I trust your judgement tomorrow but please have naerys as the Elim tomorrow assuming pop is scum

I repeat kill Naerys tomorrow, she chained self to mafia claiming DOCTOR.


Naerys and fresh replacement may be reason why mafia didn't bother to skip kill, they are both just didn't knew hell about it.

I agree naerys is most sus

I'll trust town to decide if naerys isn't scum. But yeah, that should be the vote tomorrow. Sorry for repeating myself so many times.

And yes she was scum.

She's contradicting herself. She does this as scum. She literally I'd saying the thing she did as town last game is now scummy when I do it.

how often do you think this type of contradiction actually catches scum

It's something she does as scum exclusively

I've called her out on this before.

Context:

Hu Tao vs Celebloki could contain a scum.
Hu Tao looks much worse, that slot is untrustworthy. Starting with her is less risky than limming potential useful town PR but also her flip gets plenty of useful info.
I wanted to go this way but allowed Broccoli and Hu to make me hesitate.
Out of the 3 i feel like Hu has the best chance of rolling scum.

VOTE: Hu Tao

???

Why would we contain a scum. Makes no sense. This is Naerys as scum to have this logic

Same game where she was scum

Kinda tempted to troll hammer tbh

My fingers are itching

This is Naerys reaction as town when it was E-1 on page 3 in last game. Drastically different this game. I wonder why?

Kinda tempted to troll hammer tbh

My fingers are itching

This is Naerys reaction as town when it was E-1 on page 3 in last game. Drastically different this game. I wonder why?

So just to be clear you caught naerys multiple times with this or is this all in just one game?

This is a separate game. One where she was town. Last few quotes was when she was scum. Just showing this is how she reacted last game as town. She wanted to hammer. But this game she was very suspicious of people on the wagon. Which shows a clear difference

Kinda tempted to troll hammer tbh

My fingers are itching

This is Naerys reaction as town when it was E-1 on page 3 in last game. Drastically different this game. I wonder why?

I can asure you scum!me would just sit with a bag of popcorn and watch that speedwagon forming from distance without commenting on it at all

Then why difference here and last game?

I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.

I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?

VOTE: KeyLaga

Afrayed Knott

Random Nurse

,

Mafia Goon

, executed Day 3

VOTE: Random Nurse

VOTE: random nurse

Dann cooking cookin

I wonder what kind of heat Scum's packing this game.

I'm surprised there's an IC in this game, so Scum is probably packing heat?

VOTE: KeyLaga

Afrayed Knott

Random Nurse

,

Mafia Goon

, executed Day 3

VOTE: Random Nurse

Cook him, bestie!

VOTE: Random Nurse

Also Naerys tell me why you think my vote is worse than PCs. When we say similar things.

I'd want Klick and Ari's reasoning too.

PC vote was rvs imo, but psyche´s yours and geraintm´s? All those votes are sus. I just feel the worst about yours but the other 2 will certainly get their due aswell.
The thing is, me as townie would never put my RVS vote on person that already has 2 votes or more.It feels like a tree trying to hide itselrf in a forest

So basically because he checked the thread before I did.

I think Naerys' approach to Hu Tao feels like starting from a conclusion and finding evidence, vs the opposite.

AGREED

I think Naerys' approach to Hu Tao feels like starting from a conclusion and finding evidence, vs the opposite.

Funnily enough you described me the way i feel about Hu - she came to conclusion and now she is looking for evidence.

Interesting because I didn't vote you at first, I voted NotAScum. So why would you think this?

First you talked about how i am scum and then went to a previous game to support your statement

Well this is just false

It was a good vote imo. No regrets there and would do it again

Good morning fellow townies! This game looks really complex to me.

Okay well. This post was the 2nd post I didn't like. Seems like new scum. I feel the nervousness in this post. Trying to blend in

VOTE: NotAScum

I think this is my preferred vote.

I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points

I also think I'm more weary of scum being off that wagon. Scum knew RN was town so they probably soft defended to gain townie points

No, scum wants as many town PRs to oust as possible. Thats why i am pretty sure atleast 1 scum, maybe 2 scums were on Nurse.

How would scum know RN was a pr? This makes no sense.

Naerys

might

be scum

But you're saying that I mafr a conclusion and then started to find it after. I did not. In fact I still wanted to vote NAS before you

Yeet me instead of looking at RN wagon and its shenanigans, 100% logic

Yet YOU aren't looking at the wagon itself, you're only pushing me and tunneling me. You haven't given deep thought from any other slots. Your reasoning for me over PC is because he checked the thread earlier than I did, even though we had a similar post. You haven't been trying to find scum on the wagon, you've been trying to find a reason for me to be scum

Yet YOU aren't looking at the wagon itself, you're only pushing me and tunneling me. You haven't given deep thought from any other slots. Your reasoning for me over PC is because he checked the thread earlier than I did, even though we had a similar post. You haven't been trying to find scum on the wagon, you've been trying to find a reason for me to be scum

I wanted to but i lost any desire to try *shrug*

Yeah okay

Okay this

Yeah it's here

[Klick]

Right but a wall of previous quotes isn't doing much for me

I'm trying to get a relatively concise pitch of like, the main thing you find gives you the confidence that Naerys is clearly scum, so that I can do my own research and see if I think the same reading the same stuff as you.

Is it just that she is confidently saying things that seem contradictory to push her agenda, similarly to a previous game you played with her?