Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[davesaz]

Re-reading Dannflor, I can move him up to the townlean tier.

[Klick]

VOTE: geraintm

A few comments on this would help enormously.

If NAS is scum, I think he's with a scumteam who isn't assistjng him to post anything better than 757 and I think that team probably includes geraintm.
If NAS isn't scum, I think we're not shooting that much better than rand, and geraintm is a null slot that is bringing zero utility.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: geraint

[Dannflor]

Re-reading Dannflor, I can move him up to the townlean tier.

I’m curious why?

[Aristeia]

VOTE: gera

[Aristeia]

If NAS is scum, I think he's with a scumteam who isn't assistjng him to post anything better than 757 and I think that team probably includes geraintm.

I have trouble with this logic because I think maybe three or four players in this PL would provide "coaching" and you don't even know if NAS cares enough about the game to be receptive to it.

[KayJayQueue]

I still think Naerys today. If there is a vigilante, they should shoot NotAScum

What are the pros/cons of voting and shooting one or the other? I’ve never played a game with a vigilante but I’m assuming it’s pretty straightforward that they can kill at night? I’m going to go reread the role but I’d still be open to answers about pros/cons (are there any cons?) and if it matters who we vote vs who the vigilante shoots.

[KayJayQueue]

Right now, I’m here:

Town: Random Nurse, Klick
Probably town: davesaz, Hu Tao, Psyche
No opinion: Titus, Dannflor
Unsure: geraintm, Political Clout
Need more info: Aristeia, NotAScum
Possibly scum: Naerys

If I were to vote right now, it would have to be Naerys but I’m open to the other options.

[Datisi]

vote count 1.10

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Naerys [3]:

Hu Tao, Naerys,

Random Nurse

geraintm [3]:

Klick, Dannflor, Aristeia

Hu Tao [2]:

NotAScum, geraintm

NotAScum [2]:

Psyche, Titus

Psyche [1]:

Political Clout

not voting [2]:

KayJayQueue, davesaz

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[Hu Tao]

The resistance to Naerys is unbelievable

[Hu Tao]

I still think Naerys today. If there is a vigilante, they should shoot NotAScum

What are the pros/cons of voting and shooting one or the other? I’ve never played a game with a vigilante but I’m assuming it’s pretty straightforward that they can kill at night? I’m going to go reread the role but I’d still be open to answers about pros/cons (are there any cons?) and if it matters who we vote vs who the vigilante shoots.

Naerys gets more information. Usually a low information slot is vigged. There is no guarantee that a vig is in this game, which is why I said Naerys is better to be voted out now

[KayJayQueue]

What’s getting me is that Naerys still has a self vote on her…I just don’t get that logic. It’s making me think twice but maybe that’s the point. I don’t know what I’m

supposed

to think about that move.

[davesaz]

I don’t know what I’m supposed to think about that move.

I think it's more important to focus on what you do think, over what you're supposed to think.

[davesaz]

Re-reading Dannflor, I can move him up to the townlean tier.

I’m curious why?

Several questions like this are indicative of wanting to discover alignments vs already knowing them.

[davesaz]

The resistance to Naerys is unbelievable

How much of your scumread is based on her voting you earlier?

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t know what I’m supposed to think about that move.

I think it's more important to focus on what you do think, over what you're supposed to think.

What I thought was that it was an emotional response initially (indicative of scum) but leaving the vote there for this long is making me feel less sure about that read. If she is scum, maybe she felt supported enough to think she wasn’t going to get eliminated even with a self vote, especially once NAS was brought to the forefront of the discussion for a good amount of time and votes started changing. But is that really the most likely scenario? I’m not sure. This could be stubbornness as town as well, just to prove a point I guess? I don’t know Naerys so I can’t feel out what I think is the case here.

[Hu Tao]

The resistance to Naerys is unbelievable

How much of your scumread is based on her voting you earlier?

Like 10%

[davesaz]

Someone may have mentioned this already, but why did NAS not approach Naerys' self vote the same as Hu Tao's?

VOTE: Naerys

[KayJayQueue]

Someone may have mentioned this already, but why did NAS not approach Naerys' self vote the same as Hu Tao's?

VOTE: Naerys

I don’t think we have an answer from him but reading back, my best guess would be something to do with this post:

Seen plenty of dramatic townies to self vote, including myself

Which is why self-voting alone isn't enough to gauge anyone's scuminess. But Hu Tao jumped on the RN wagon, that is another tell.

And now reading that, I notice that Naerys literally describes self-voting as something she does as town. I wonder if that was a pre-emotive set up to provide context to a self-vote allowing her to claim town by pointing to that interaction. Or she could just literally be telling the truth. No idea.

[Naerys]

The resistance to Naerys is unbelievable

Its funny though

[Titus]

What’s getting me is that Naerys still has a self vote on her…I just don’t get that logic. It’s making me think twice but maybe that’s the point. I don’t know what I’m

supposed

to think about that move.

Exactly my thoughts. Of course I haven't read.

[Titus]

Aside from the self vote, why Naeyrs? Why geratum?

[Random Nurse]

Someone may have mentioned this already, but why did NAS not approach Naerys' self vote the same as Hu Tao's?

VOTE: Naerys

If Naerys were to flip Scum would you say that would implicate NAS?

Personally I am taking extreme embrace against both of them because both of them are actively refusing to engage me.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: geraint

VOTE: gera

To be honest these two votes in quick succession does kind of pique my curiosity.

[Wake1]

Although my gut does suspect there's at least one among Klick, Hu Tao, and Psyche. Anyone have first-hand experience with Klick's Scum meta?

Also, hi Titus.