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[Vivax]

Should probably reread the brief DP vs Luca discussion of D2

[Vivax]

I understand this is an uphill battle

I understand none of his friends are going to want to kill DP D1

Guy was fighting windmills. Maybe I'm slightly biased but I can fully understand feeling this way.
I like to think that fighting windmills isn't something scum is prone to do.

In DarthPunk town! world a mafia would be more likely to do what I did and just keep him off the table for D1 imo.

What does it matter if youre fighting windmills as mafia? It's better youre not listened to as long as your scumbuddies are not under fire.
Was Dann fighting DP windmill when Luca was under fire?

I don't know.

VOTE: Luca Blight

I saw DP having townie thoughts on him earlier similar to me, then realizing he had dropped off at some point (was about to multi-quote but that was probably too much to take in).

We got a wagon going (and by that I mean primarily you and me when we went gogeta) after which Luca's activity went up by quite a bit, but I haven't seen DP really going for the throat afterwards. He is superficially extremely rational but I don't feel his conviction and ambition. It's like he his hesitant to lead and too content with everyone doing whatever they want.

This put Luca at 3 votes with DP and Oats voting before.
Worth mentioning now, still.

[Vivax]

Okay. I'm just going to say it.

I don't have a guilty on anyone.

I wanted to see if scum would do anything awkward when faced in this scenario. Or even tell on themselves. And I wanted to get reactions from people in general for reads and I think I got a few things from this.

Lol

I’m a few pages behind and got into trouble with my gf for posting on our trip away.

I’ll be away for a while

VOTE: Ht

Think about it: DP voted Luca in the time window of HTs fake cop check, and switched to Hu Tao when she called it fake but all he could say was lol.

Why was it even scummy?

[Vivax]

Another example that Darth doesn't believe anything he says:

I've read through Dunn's Iso and there is literally nothing in there that makes me think he might be town. I actually thought I liked some of his posts just skimming through the game, but it really stands out how little he has done when reading his posts in isolation, mainly talking about theory and posting about things that aren't going to help progress the game in any meaningful way.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'll get to some more Iso'ing soon.

This whole string of ISO post reeked of forgone conclusion Luca just went through and tried to find anything scummy to justify his vote instead of calling it what it is. A lurker vote.


I’m happy he spewed Dunn town tho.

It's time to go, Dunnstral is the way to go.

Im not getting off my reads just because you say so, I have legit reasons to yeet both of them.

theres at least 3 mafia :>
come to the dunn side

Fine.

UNVOTE: unvote

VOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: Darth Punk

[Vivax]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

[DarthPunk]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

Not true.
I had a legit case on why Luca was mafia.

I basically got pushed off of it by ooo saying I was wrong.

Turns out he was wrong and now here we are.

[Naerys]

I am not sure what are you trying to say? Do you mean that DP and Luca arent scum or what?

[Vivax]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

Not true.
I had a legit case on why Luca was mafia.

I basically got pushed off of it by ooo saying I was wrong.

Turns out he was wrong and now here we are.

Whatever dude.
If Naerys keeps tunneling me you win anyway.

This town yeeted Oats cause he found mafia so it makes perfect sense.

Be right, you die.

[Vivax]

I am not sure what are you trying to say? Do you mean that DP and Luca arent scum or what?

No I mean they never had any real intention of killing each other when a lot suggests otherwise from D2.

As soon as Hu Tao faked a result, DP voted him until she unfaked it. But DP also wrote a case on him so the result shouldn‘t have mattered.

[DarthPunk]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

Not true.
I had a legit case on why Luca was mafia.

I basically got pushed off of it by ooo saying I was wrong.

Turns out he was wrong and now here we are.

Whatever dude.
If Naerys keeps tunneling me you win anyway.

This town yeeted Oats cause he found mafia so it makes perfect sense.

Be right, you die.

No don't whatever me.

I am here now to talk to you and try figure shit out.

Vivax, I am not mafia, so are you pushing me for sport here?

[DarthPunk]

I am not sure what are you trying to say? Do you mean that DP and Luca arent scum or what?

No I mean they never had any real intention of killing each other when a lot suggests otherwise from D2.

As soon as Hu Tao faked a result, DP voted him until she unfaked it. But DP also wrote a case on him so the result shouldn‘t have mattered.

I thought she scum claimed so of course it mattered.

[Vivax]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

Not true.
I had a legit case on why Luca was mafia.

I basically got pushed off of it by ooo saying I was wrong.

Turns out he was wrong and now here we are.

Whatever dude.
If Naerys keeps tunneling me you win anyway.

This town yeeted Oats cause he found mafia so it makes perfect sense.

Be right, you die.

No don't whatever me.

I am here now to talk to you and try figure shit out.

Vivax, I am not mafia, so are you pushing me for sport here?

If you read my posts you‘d know it wouldn’t matter what read I have on you.

I said I‘d vote Luca even if you two were partnered.

[Vivax]

The only thing that matters is your read on Luca and whether you are able to convince Naerys.

Town only survives with three townies on the right person.

Mafia doesn‘t even have to do much except not vote, not say too much and wait for the right opportunity.

[Vivax]

It‘s easier to become fluent in swahili than convince anyone on this site why Luca is mafia

[DarthPunk]

I'm just posting this so Naerys reads it tbh. Please reread D2 and tell me that the reads on each other from DP and Luca weren't bonkers.

Not true.
I had a legit case on why Luca was mafia.

I basically got pushed off of it by ooo saying I was wrong.

Turns out he was wrong and now here we are.

Whatever dude.
If Naerys keeps tunneling me you win anyway.

This town yeeted Oats cause he found mafia so it makes perfect sense.

Be right, you die.

No don't whatever me.

I am here now to talk to you and try figure shit out.

Vivax, I am not mafia, so are you pushing me for sport here?

If you read my posts you‘d know it wouldn’t matter what read I have on you.

I said I‘d vote Luca even if you two were partnered.

Yeah I know you said that, which kind of bothered me for about 15 minutes while I was thinking it over in the shower this morning.

Basically I was wondering if you and Luca could be partnered here, because it would make the most sense if you are town agree I am mafia to just yeet me as you both scum read me.

But if you are both mafia you cannot do that. So I thought it was a huge red flag.

But then I realised if you are scum reading each other and not certain I was mafia, I could be quick hammered and the game would be over then obviously.

[DarthPunk]

It‘s easier to become fluent in swahili than convince anyone on this site why Luca is mafia

I think Luca is mafia, I am writing a big post now. Can you just pretend you think I am town for a bit.

We both think Luca is mafia, so who is his partner? Cause that is the hard part of this IMO.

[DarthPunk]

The only thing that matters is your read on Luca and whether you are able to convince Naerys.

Town only survives with three townies on the right person.

Mafia doesn‘t even have to do much except not vote, not say too much and wait for the right opportunity.

Oh I guess you think it is naerys that is town so HT is mafia if not me?

I think that is where I am landing too right now but I am way less confident on people who are not Luca.

[Vivax]

It‘s easier to become fluent in swahili than convince anyone on this site why Luca is mafia

I think Luca is mafia, I am writing a big post now. Can you just pretend you think I am town for a bit.

We both think Luca is mafia, so who is his partner? Cause that is the hard part of this IMO.

If it‘s not you with him I think Naerys.
Maybe she‘s just pretending not to understand anything I say.

[DarthPunk]

It‘s easier to become fluent in swahili than convince anyone on this site why Luca is mafia

I think Luca is mafia, I am writing a big post now. Can you just pretend you think I am town for a bit.

We both think Luca is mafia, so who is his partner? Cause that is the hard part of this IMO.

If it‘s not you with him I think Naerys.
Maybe she‘s just pretending not to understand anything I say.

Why naerys over ht?

[Vivax]

It‘s easier to become fluent in swahili than convince anyone on this site why Luca is mafia

I think Luca is mafia, I am writing a big post now. Can you just pretend you think I am town for a bit.

We both think Luca is mafia, so who is his partner? Cause that is the hard part of this IMO.

If it‘s not you with him I think Naerys.
Maybe she‘s just pretending not to understand anything I say.

Why naerys over ht?

HT has a certain coolness today, Naerys seems pushy and inflexible.

[Vivax]

I‘ve been very doubt stricken so far and I didn‘t see that in her.

Still looks like her opinions aren‘t evolving with new evidence presented.

[DarthPunk]

If me and vivax are scum then the only way to win from here is to buddy Darth and get him to vote someone like Hu Tao, who he also scumreads.

And what do you think about Hu Tao?

I think either you or Hu Tao are scum with Darth. Based on interactions I would say that you seem more likely at the moment unless Hu Tao and Darth have done some thorough distancing.

Thats the problem i have, looking at the reads i dont see Hu being aligned with anyone.

Who can I be aligned with then?

[Naerys]

inflexible.

i am literally doing wild mental gymnastics today and thinking about every possibility

[DarthPunk]

I have reasons to town read naerys and vivax.

Although it’s possible vivax is duping me so I want to interact a bit more with him.

We're on Day 5, there are reasons to townread everyone in the game.

What makes you so convinced that Naerys is town? And don't say '

dumbtell'

.

Just wanted to address this while I write my big post. This is really scummy, because actually there are no reasons to think Luca is town, he is just saying something arbitary here to muddy the waters and to make me doubt my reads.

We should at this part of the game be trusting our town reads and trying to POE solve the game, the fact that he desperate here to dismiss my read on naerys is damnnign.

I think the dumbtell is a legit reason to read nareys as town. Further unless you think exactly HT and Nearys are mafia together, (which I don't and neither does luca) then HT's meta read on Naerys is likely her real opinion regardless of HT's alignment.

So that is two good reasons to think she is town.

I think Luca spews Nearys town here a bit, because he is trying to delegitimize my town read of naerys.

But he is flailing all over the place right now, cause he knows he is caught, so associations at this point are less meaningful.

[DarthPunk]

inflexible.

i am literally doing wild mental gymnastics today and thinking about every possibility

Naerys can you outline your read progression on Luca, cause early on you had him town, so what changed?