Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.13

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

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Naerys [4]:

Naerys,

Random Nurse

, davesaz, geraintm

Political Clout [4]:

Dannflor, Klick, Aristeia, Hu Tao

Aristeia [2]:

Titus, Political Clout

NotAScum [1]:

Psyche

Hu Tao [1]:

NotAScum

Psyche [1]:

KayJayQueue

not voting [0]:

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[Hu Tao]

what did drew do that made you think he was townie?

I liked some of his questions

[Aristeia]

I think this would be significantly more fruitful if you were more specific about which posts you liked from Drew and why you liked them.

[Dannflor]

i don't really understand the concept of titus being "bait from scum"

meaning scum are pushing titus as a miselim option? who is doing this?

[Dannflor]

oh maybe it just means like a distraction

[Dannflor]

do you think she doesn't respond to me saying she's chainsawing for PC if they're actually S/S ?

I was thinking it over in my head and I thought maybe she wants the wagon to go through if he's town because she doesn't have any need to fight to defend him if he's town whereas if he's scum she shouldn't just afk it?

I don't really have any familiarity with how PC plays I'm mostly just sheeping your read. I thought you made p good points about him being mafia but it's kind of murky with how the game state is.

yeah it's hard to say when we have a wagon stalled on a self-voter who has stopped playing the game

like... i think it's possible titus/PC could be S/S and titus just thinks the naerys wagon is like the most likely wagon in the game to go through and doesn't want to disrupt that status quo overmuch

not sure how much I believe that because the only real movement in the game is being caused by me/you/klick right now and that I would hope that feels threatening enough to outweigh whatever is going on with naerys right now

[Random Nurse]

The resistance to Naerys wagon is getting difficult to ignore.

I’m thinking Naerys is scum and her partners are trying to prevent her launch.

[Dannflor]

my god random nurse

there is resistance to the naerys wagon because she's town and scum don't want to look shitty for hopping on the wagon of the easy self-voting target

[Dannflor]

like a vast majority of the time scum aren't going to want to pile onto a wagon on town like that because it looks like it'll go through without them

[Dannflor]

re: titus and PC

on one hand i feel it's natural to say something concrete in defense of PC if he is town and one is scum trying to get credit from this situation

on the other hand you do make a good point about titus just leaving the chainsawing remark hanging there and that's not super intuitive if this is S/S

idk, I feel mildly more strongly about PC as scum but if you feel significantly better about Titus I would move there. I think I feel best about eliminating one of them today

[Dannflor]

klick can you come sort this out

[Dannflor]

sorry i did not have a good answer to your question ari

[Random Nurse]

my god random nurse

there is resistance to the naerys wagon because she's town and scum don't want to look shitty for hopping on the wagon of the easy self-voting target

I don’t think she’s Town, and I question why you assert she is.

She’s done nothing but avoid engaging me and refusing to answer my questions. Town doesn’t do that. Scum has every reason to avoid and hide: self-preservation.

[Dannflor]

i think you'll find Town does do that

frequently

[Dannflor]

you want to eliminate her because she hasn't jumped through your hoops, that doesn't make me confident that your scum read has a high chance of being accurate

[Titus]

Meh, I feel like me not being here is bullshit of repetition.

I also think pc and geratim share an alignment most likely given the wagon movement. Based on play, I feel it's town. I'm getting pushback for highlighting how bullshit that vote from Ari was.

[Titus]

The resistance to Naerys wagon is getting difficult to ignore.

I’m thinking Naerys is scum and her partners are trying to prevent her launch.

It's something I've considered as well. I lean more town and scum want to save it more for later and take out a more active and offered player.

[Hu Tao]

The resistance to Naerys wagon is getting difficult to ignore.

I’m thinking Naerys is scum and her partners are trying to prevent her launch.

We can get Naerys later. Jump on PC

[Random Nurse]

i think you'll find Town does do that

frequently

Your antagonism and disagreeableness makes me think you’re Town, but perhaps it’s a trained act as Scum. You seem to just argue and disagree without trying to bounce ideas off me, etc. If you’re actually Town, and knowing I’m an IC, perhaps your time would be spent better trying to work with the IC while it’s still alive.

[Random Nurse]

The resistance to Naerys wagon is getting difficult to ignore.

I’m thinking Naerys is scum and her partners are trying to prevent her launch.

We can get Naerys later. Jump on PC

Why?

[Hu Tao]

The resistance to Naerys wagon is getting difficult to ignore.

I’m thinking Naerys is scum and her partners are trying to prevent her launch.

We can get Naerys later. Jump on PC

Why?

He's done 0 solving. His posts and votes don't seem to make much sense. Try isoing and see if you can make better sense of it than I can

[Aristeia]

sorry i did not have a good answer to your question ari

its ok I dont have a good answer either

[Titus]

Random can you leave a will?

[Aristeia]

Meh, I feel like me not being here is bullshit of repetition.

I also think pc and geratim share an alignment most likely given the wagon movement. Based on play, I feel it's town. I'm getting pushback for highlighting how bullshit that vote from Ari was.

ok Titus

tell me why it's bullshit for me to sheep Dannflor/Klick in this game state.

This is how I read this game state and why;

Naerys is the "it wagon" it's got about 4-5 votes, she's being pushed by the IC, as long as that grouping remains intact pretty much no other wagon is going to be "impactful"

If Naerys is town and there's 4 town voters + 1 scum voter on Naerys; it leaves eight votes outside of the Naerys cluster, 2 of which are mafia. I don't think you'll find more than 1 mafia voter because if Naerys is town this is one of those self-immolation plays that scum usually just sit on the sidelines for.

So in that game state, me voting by myself is literally pointless to me because no mafia is ever going to feel "pressured" by my one vote with so many town votes stuck on Naerys. The only way to generate information in such a game state is to vote with other people to try to create threats to the current status quo of the game state. If I do not work to change the narrative, the present course just gets pushed through and it's basically punting on the day.

[Aristeia]

as for why its pointless imo to keep pushing Naerys;

she has more or less given up on playing this game, she's thrown her hands up.

I have no idea how to read that kind of play. you can flip her today but I don't see how you get any information out of it if she's town.