Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Titus]

Meh, I feel like me not being here is bullshit of repetition.

I also think pc and geratim share an alignment most likely given the wagon movement. Based on play, I feel it's town. I'm getting pushback for highlighting how bullshit that vote from Ari was.

ok Titus

tell me why it's bullshit for me to sheep Dannflor/Klick in this game state.

This is how I read this game state and why;

Naerys is the "it wagon" it's got about 4-5 votes, she's being pushed by the IC, as long as that grouping remains intact pretty much no other wagon is going to be "impactful"

If Naerys is town and there's 4 town voters + 1 scum voter on Naerys; it leaves eight votes outside of the Naerys cluster, 2 of which are mafia. I don't think you'll find more than 1 mafia voter because if Naerys is town this is one of those self-immolation plays that scum usually just sit on the sidelines for.

So in that game state, me voting by myself is literally pointless to me because no mafia is ever going to feel "pressured" by my one vote with so many town votes stuck on Naerys. The only way to generate information in such a game state is to vote with other people to try to create threats to the current status quo of the game state. If I do not work to change the narrative, the present course just gets pushed through and it's basically punting on the day.

Working with people isn't a problem. It's the lack of mention in your ISO that's the problem.

[Aristeia]

ok you didnt mention me before you voted me are you mafia for it?

[Aristeia]

like if you log on and you see some people trying to start a counterwagon to the current prevailing wagon and you don't think the current prevailing wagon is on mafia why is it anti-town to help the counterwagon to generate more information?

I don't have a good read on PC, but helping people I think are townie and working to generate more information is always good because one stagnant prevailing wagon and lots of small 1 or 2 vote wagons do not do anything.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aristela

Just following wagons. No following up on Clout. Only 2 mentions before the vote.

@Ari, Technically my vote came before the explanation in the same post.

[Titus]

like if you log on and you see some people trying to start a counterwagon to the current prevailing wagon and you don't think the current prevailing wagon is on mafia why is it anti-town to help the counterwagon to generate more information?

I don't have a good read on PC, but helping people I think are townie and working to generate more information is always good because one stagnant prevailing wagon and lots of small 1 or 2 vote wagons do not do anything.

Then why didn't you follow up on things?

[Titus]

don't mind them guys they drank some hatorade this morning. I was thinking it might be aristea way back when I made my dumb prediction post at work because I had nothing better to do then someone quoted wait dr. drew I think that would scum make that post and quoted aristea lke idk third post or something I'm hard guessing. but klick also quoted it way back. anyways I was thinking nah scum don't make that post. then I was thinking I haven't seen them then I started reading back and saw that they were going after gera now. It felt WEIRD. that's where I'm at with aristea.

my pronouns are she/her

if you have questions for me you can just ask me

Namely this.

[Aristeia]

@Ari, Technically my vote came before the explanation in the same post.

so you mean you voted me without mentioning me in your iso prior to your vote

[Aristeia]

don't mind them guys they drank some hatorade this morning. I was thinking it might be aristea way back when I made my dumb prediction post at work because I had nothing better to do then someone quoted wait dr. drew I think that would scum make that post and quoted aristea lke idk third post or something I'm hard guessing. but klick also quoted it way back. anyways I was thinking nah scum don't make that post. then I was thinking I haven't seen them then I started reading back and saw that they were going after gera now. It felt WEIRD. that's where I'm at with aristea.

my pronouns are she/her

if you have questions for me you can just ask me

Namely this.

follow up what?

he rambled on about "thinking" about my alignment

I asked him if he had any questions about me

he decided not to ask me anything

why am I supposed to be following up?

[Titus]

@Ari, Technically my vote came before the explanation in the same post.

so you mean you voted me without mentioning me in your iso prior to your vote

Differences are I gave a reason and I haven't been here all game.

[Titus]

don't mind them guys they drank some hatorade this morning. I was thinking it might be aristea way back when I made my dumb prediction post at work because I had nothing better to do then someone quoted wait dr. drew I think that would scum make that post and quoted aristea lke idk third post or something I'm hard guessing. but klick also quoted it way back. anyways I was thinking nah scum don't make that post. then I was thinking I haven't seen them then I started reading back and saw that they were going after gera now. It felt WEIRD. that's where I'm at with aristea.

my pronouns are she/her

if you have questions for me you can just ask me

Namely this.

follow up what?

he rambled on about "thinking" about my alignment

I asked him if he had any questions about me

he decided not to ask me anything

why am I supposed to be following up?

Anything. Ask PC a question. Comment on PC's lack of follow through. Your statement and vote don't do that. It's just there. There's no sorting effort.

[Aristeia]

@Ari, Technically my vote came before the explanation in the same post.

so you mean you voted me without mentioning me in your iso prior to your vote

Differences are I gave a reason and I haven't been here all game.

I don't feel a compulsion to write out a reason with every vote I make. Your original point was that not mentioning the person prior in the iso is scummy, when pointed out that you did the same thing you've begun moving the goalposts rather than recognizing the flaws in your own logic.

[Aristeia]

Anything. Ask PC a question. Comment on PC's lack of follow through. Your statement and vote don't do that. It's just there. There's no sorting effort.

asking him to ask me questions is sorting him

[Titus]

@Ari, Technically my vote came before the explanation in the same post.

so you mean you voted me without mentioning me in your iso prior to your vote

Differences are I gave a reason and I haven't been here all game.

I don't feel a compulsion to write out a reason with every vote I make. Your original point was that not mentioning the person prior in the iso is scummy, when pointed out that you did the same thing you've begun moving the goalposts rather than recognizing the flaws in your own logic.

Fairish on moving the goal posts but different circumstances are different. You sheeped twice. You have no hunting and have no backbone.

[Titus]

Anything. Ask PC a question. Comment on PC's lack of follow through. Your statement and vote don't do that. It's just there. There's no sorting effort.

asking him to ask me questions is sorting him

No. It's passive and you didn't draw any conclusions from PC not doing it.

[Titus]

I'm not spending three pages arguing with you. Until I see aggressive posting, you're just scum to me.

[Aristeia]

Fairish on moving the goal posts but different circumstances are different. You sheeped twice. You have no hunting and have no backbone.

I have already explained why I am sheeping with a fairly detailed strategic overview of the game state and why I am doing it. You are using blanket statements to muddy the issue. I'm going to not respond to your comment about backbone because I feel like that's just trying to bait an emotional response at this point to further muddy the waters.

[Aristeia]

I'm not spending three pages arguing with you. Until I see aggressive posting, you're just scum to me.

ok this is a good place to end the conversation I guess.

I don't particularly feel like being aggressive in this game state or probably ever again. it's not very fun for me.

[Dannflor]

I'm not spending three pages arguing with you. Until I see aggressive posting, you're just scum to me.

ari can easily be aggressive as scum

[Dannflor]

it is weird to me to be like “do this to be town” as if ari could not replicate that as scum

[Titus]

I'm not spending three pages arguing with you. Until I see aggressive posting, you're just scum to me.

ari can easily be aggressive as scum

Aggressive is probably the wrong word. Assertive or proactive is better.

Any scum can say ask me something.

[davesaz]

as for why its pointless imo to keep pushing Naerys;

she has more or less given up on playing this game, she's thrown her hands up.

I have no idea how to read that kind of play. you can flip her today but I don't see how you get any information out of it if she's town.

How to read it is, how is it town to do that? If it isn't town, then what is it?

[davesaz]

Titus, do you have opinions on anyone else?

[NotAScum]

I'm sensing HT and Psyche as teammates, the two have some really nice synergy going for them. They are avoiding voting the same person to avoid looking like teammates despite mostly having similar opinions on possible scums. Whenever there is some pressure on HT building up, Psyche has tried his very best to quell the tension.

[Psyche]

i also sense that ht and i are teammates and dislike that we aren’t voting together

[Klick]

klick can you come sort this out

Yesterday was a trainwreck, I'll be here tonight