Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Hu Tao]

She did the self-vote far before that was remotely true though

(@Hu Tao)

She saw the tides turning

And when this predictably gets Naerys killed anyway and she flips scum, how are her actions towards you explainable?
Unless you want to argue that she is only concerned with short-term survival and not at all concerned with spew in the event she flips scum

Look how hard it is to get her voted out with confirmed town wanting to vote her. She's playing this well enough that people are not scumreading her which is what she is doing on purpose

[KayJayQueue]

can you tell me what post if any solidified your read for dave and klick? or just their overall postings?

What do you think is dave and klicks biggest contribution to the thread so far?

Klick’s most recent posts in the last page or so can also answer this question. Just feels very town to me. There’s always a possibility of putting on a show to convince us, but I feel the actions are sincere.

[Klick]

She's literally at E-2

She's hard to get voted out because people (like me) have legitimate suspicions that she is just town and that you and her got into a nonsense TvT argument and can't get over yourselves

[Aristeia]

im rereading page 15 like twice and I still dont understand how Naerys got tilted

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she has 2 votes and hu tao has 5 with RN saying that if hu tao gets to 6 he'll hammer it so why would naerys even tilt there

[Dannflor]

it's just KJQ talking about how they find Hu townier than naerys

[Klick]

I skim Page 15 and the entire narrative of the page is basically 'Hu is town and maybe Naerys is scum'
I can understand the tilt from either alignment

[Aristeia]

so I'm trying to understand the impetus for why Naerys would unvote like that and I'm frankly stumped because I don't understand the town perspective.

You're pushing Hu Tao who you think is mafia, Gera votes HT(e-2) at 431am, 5 minutes later the RN IC says he'll hammer the slot if it gets one more vote, although he does say he is having second thoughts.

KJQ then says Naerys is mafia and HT is confidently town - votes for Naerys(2nd vote on Naerys) - 634am

Klick then says he thinks people want Hu Tao to get yeeted quickly etc - HT says some stuff and then Naerys tilts and claims she is not going to try anymore 937 am

Klick prefers voting Naerys to voting HT at 952 am, less than a minute later Naerys self-votes and refuses to play any further.

[Aristeia]

I skim Page 15 and the entire narrative of the page is basically 'Hu is town and maybe Naerys is scum'
I can understand the tilt from either alignment

ok but its just Hu Tao, KQJ and Klick, three people talking. There's more votes on Hu Tao and IC saying he'd hammer.

Like why would you tilt if two people other than the person you're pushing think you're mafia? wouldn't the base instinct be like to call them scum defending their buddy from you?

[Dannflor]

okay so if naerys self-voted as scum, how are her teammates likely to react?

[Klick]

Idk I don't think her reaction is implausible?

[Dannflor]

I'm not really entertaining hu tao/naerys as SvS, I think that's kind of ridiculous and the frustration from both sides seems real enough and... sloppy enough? that I doubt it is theatre

[Dannflor]

okay so if naerys self-voted as scum, how are her teammates likely to react?

this is an open question, but my thought is that scum are likely to bus because naerys looks really bad off that plus the IC starts pushing it pretty hard

Naerys [5]: Hu Tao, Naerys, Random Nurse, davesaz, geraintm

which would mean there's likely scum in davesaz/geraintm imo

[Naerys]

She's playing this well enough that people are not scumreading her which is what she is doing on purpose

stop lying

[Aristeia]

I'm not really entertaining hu tao/naerys as SvS, I think that's kind of ridiculous and the frustration from both sides seems real enough and... sloppy enough? that I doubt it is theatre

I don't think its outside the realm of possibility

Datisi's mod meta for complex setups is to include scum roles that are better to yeet for the scum team than others

[Klick]

I mean a scumteam like Naerys/davesaz/Titus sounds really funny lol
I don't think that's what we're dealing with though

[KayJayQueue]

I'm not really entertaining hu tao/naerys as SvS, I think that's kind of ridiculous and the frustration from both sides seems real enough and... sloppy enough? that I doubt it is theatre

I don't think its outside the realm of possibility

Datisi's mod meta for complex setups is to include scum roles that are better to yeet for the scum team than others

What does this mean exactly?

[Naerys]

Datisi's mod meta for complex setups is to include scum roles that are better to yeet for the scum team than others

this kinda feels manipulative af, just saying

[Aristeia]

the last mini normal he modded had a town IC/Ninja enabler that killing it would make the mafia not ninjas.

the mini normal before that had an alien enabler mafia which if limmed disabled a town tpr.

I think one of the reasons the tilt would make sense is if naerys just wanted to distance off HT with the vote, then when HT got run up couldnt figure out a way to exit and they had some kind of argument in the scum PT and hu tao yelled at her to get off and she decided to die rather than play on the same team as HT

[Aristeia]

Datisi's mod meta for complex setups is to include scum roles that are better to yeet for the scum team than others

this kinda feels manipulative af, just saying

did I hit a nerve?

I thought you wanted to get yeeted?

I don't particularly think I need to make up a story to yeet you at this point

[Naerys]

Datisi's mod meta for complex setups is to include scum roles that are better to yeet for the scum team than others

this kinda feels manipulative af, just saying

did I hit a nerve?

I thought you wanted to get yeeted?

I don't particularly think I need to make up a story to yeet you at this point

I know i am town and from my point of view it kinda feels like trying to topple a struggling wagon

[Naerys]

*you are trying

[Aristeia]

the last mini normal he modded had a town IC/Ninja enabler that killing it would make the mafia not ninjas.

the mini normal before that had an alien enabler mafia which if limmed disabled a town tpr.

the point I'm making here is that because of the complex rating and the mod meta there can be distinction between the scum roles such that one scum role would be much better for the town to yeet than another.

and if naerys is the weaker scum role and she distanced off Hu tao (the stronger scum role) and then hu tao got mad at her because the direction of the bussing is wrong that would explain the tilt that went on in the thread.

[Aristeia]

*you are trying

its interesting you didnt say anything about anything else that happened but this theory of mine you feel compelled to respond to

[Random Nurse]

Please stop trolling Naerys
This game can either be a very negative experience or not that, and that's up to players' personal choices

I’m getting sick and tired of her refusing to engage.

Even if Town that is NOT fucking OK.

[KayJayQueue]

I think one of the reasons the tilt would make sense is if naerys just wanted to distance off HT with the vote, then when HT got run up couldnt figure out a way to exit and they had some kind of argument in the scum PT and hu tao yelled at her to get off and she decided to die rather than play on the same team as HT

This feels like fan fiction lol