Open 905: Pick Your Power X/Y S/S [game over!]

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you somehow had a reliable method to appear town in even over 50% of your games, you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

This really boils down to "Mafia would be fundamentally flawed if there were a general method to fool people into believing that you are town."

[Oblivion]

If you somehow had a reliable method to appear town in even over 50% of your games, you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

This really boils down to "Mafia would be fundamentally flawed if there were a general method to fool people into believing that you are town."

And what if Mafia is what it... normally, finds relaxing? What if Mafia is a place where it can be somewhat unethical and experiment with the human condition and just have fun?

It feels like there are people who are good enough to do this... and who do this for fun, it doesn't know if it is among them, it aspires to be? But it believes it to be possible.

[Firebringer]

you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

i have plenty of other things i should be doing instead, this is accurate

[Oblivion]

you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

i have plenty of other things i should be doing instead, this is accurate

Such items include: Barking at Cats, Setting precious treasures on fire, working closely with law enforcement?

[Firebringer]

june lets pretend we are sorting each other for a minute.
whats my alignment?

ill give u a free will not vote u for a day just for answering this question

[Firebringer]

you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

i have plenty of other things i should be doing instead, this is accurate

Such items include: Barking at Cats, Setting precious treasures on fire, working closely with law enforcement?

i only do two of these things

[Oblivion]

you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

i have plenty of other things i should be doing instead, this is accurate

Such items include: Barking at Cats, Setting precious treasures on fire, working closely with law enforcement?

i only do two of these things

You and Officer Jenny no longer have a working relationship? What happened?

[Firebringer]

you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

i have plenty of other things i should be doing instead, this is accurate

Such items include: Barking at Cats, Setting precious treasures on fire, working closely with law enforcement?

i only do two of these things

You and Officer Jenny no longer have a working relationship? What happened?

she got a meowth. Unacceptable

[Oblivion]

you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

i have plenty of other things i should be doing instead, this is accurate

Such items include: Barking at Cats, Setting precious treasures on fire, working closely with law enforcement?

i only do two of these things

You and Officer Jenny no longer have a working relationship? What happened?

she got a meowth. Unacceptable

A travesty, to be certain.

While it has your ear, is there legitimately any way it is going to be able to get straight answers out of you if it tries to pick your brain and get a Mental Model of you or will you just make jokes at its expense and then do a kickflip into a nose grind away? (Its current model of you indicates you will do the later, but it's hoping it is wrong).

[Firebringer]

i like to think of myself as unpredictable, but i may answer ur questions pretty forthcoming, really will depend on my mood and how willing i am to unravel the mysteries of my mind. I like many people work better with pointed questions, so if u really want to get insight into what i am thinking u will probably ask decent enough questions from what ive seen u ask so far.

But I will give very lazy answers to lazy questions most of the time. So if u ask me general question. What is ur read of X. I will give u a very brief answer if one at all.

[Jake The Wolfie]

If you somehow had a reliable method to appear town in even over 50% of your games, you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

This really boils down to "Mafia would be fundamentally flawed if there were a general method to fool people into believing that you are town."

And what if Mafia is what it... normally, finds relaxing? What if Mafia is a place where it can be somewhat unethical and experiment with the human condition and just have fun?

It feels like there are people who are good enough to do this... and who do this for fun, it doesn't know if it is among them, it aspires to be? But it believes it to be possible.

I think there's also the note that if someone had demonstrated mastery over trickery, that person would recieve special scrutiny by anyone not wishing to be made a fool of again.

In any case, this is all mafia theory and would be better suited for a mafia discussion thread. As for the original point, people don't get indoctrinated into the townbloc because, like, they flashed The Doctor's psychic paper to unsuspecting victims. They get into the townbloc because they've both been generally townread by enough people and because they are actively helping the town win the game.

[Oblivion]

i like to think of myself as unpredictable, but i may answer ur questions pretty forthcoming, really will depend on my mood and how willing i am to unravel the mysteries of my mind. I like many people work better with pointed questions, so if u really want to get insight into what i am thinking u will probably ask decent enough questions from what ive seen u ask so far.

But I will give very lazy answers to lazy questions most of the time. So if u ask me general question. What is ur read of X. I will give u a very brief answer if one at all.

Okay, that's sufficient. Let it see if it can examine back through the game and decide what questions would inform it best about you? Give it.... 5 minutes, tops. It won't barrage you with questions either, it's thinking 2 or 3? To start, at least. Not "for the whole game". You get it, it thinks.

[Oblivion]

if i was pretending to solve the game, I would go with June as one scum.
But I am not pretending to solve right now.

I am too busy chilling in the PT with penguinpower, talking about anime

It takes you as a player who at least considers the impact of statements you make while you make them, and this statement still rings as the most engagable from you for me, so let me start here.

Rather than asking you "why do you think June is scum here?" I want to know the following two things

1) What from June's reactions to this post and posting after the fact when you supposedly discovered their alt made you flip your read on this player?
2) Given that you now do think June is town (is its understanding, correct it if not), what do you think of other players reactions to this post and interactions with June in hindsight? Is there any player in particular you think looks worse in a world where June is town?

[June]

june lets pretend we are sorting each other for a minute.
whats my alignment?

ill give u a free will not vote u for a day just for answering this question

eugh

town i guess
you feel different than anuket topaz but it's hard to verbalize

[Oblivion]

If you somehow had a reliable method to appear town in even over 50% of your games, you would probably have some mastery over some part of human psychology and should probably be doing better things besides / in addition to playing Mafia.

This really boils down to "Mafia would be fundamentally flawed if there were a general method to fool people into believing that you are town."

And what if Mafia is what it... normally, finds relaxing? What if Mafia is a place where it can be somewhat unethical and experiment with the human condition and just have fun?

It feels like there are people who are good enough to do this... and who do this for fun, it doesn't know if it is among them, it aspires to be? But it believes it to be possible.

I think there's also the note that if someone had demonstrated mastery over trickery, that person would recieve special scrutiny by anyone not wishing to be made a fool of again.

In any case, this is all mafia theory and would be better suited for a mafia discussion thread. As for the original point, people don't get indoctrinated into the townbloc because, like, they flashed The Doctor's psychic paper to unsuspecting victims. They get into the townbloc because they've both been generally townread by enough people and because they are actively helping the town win the game.

Sure, let's depart from theory and into the game.

You've done more relevant words to help it understand your Mental Model here regarding something that can't even begin to be considered alignment indicative than you have about the entire actual game so far. It gets from you that you have, in yourself, at least some confidence in your ability to read and play this game, and so my question is this: Where are your reads, why aren't you engaging with players to generate content, and why are you so comfortable sitting back and letting things play out without your thumb on the scale, so to speak?

[Firebringer]

Rather than asking you "why do you think June is scum here?" I want to know the following two things

1) What from June's reactions to this post and posting after the fact when you supposedly discovered their alt made you flip your read on this player?
2) Given that you now do think June is town (is its understanding, correct it if not), what do you think of other players reactions to this post and interactions with June in hindsight? Is there any player in particular you think looks worse in a world where June is town?

1) I wouldn't say my read flipped on June. I would say I am more cautious. I think June main is one i am more likely to feel those posts made by June are less alignment indicative so I am waiting for her to do something I consider scummy. I do think her comment about being a powerful role is a lie though.
2) Well I don't think June is town. Are u talking about all the posts in which people swept in immediately and called June town? Wasn't that Dunnyboi and Gob?

Gob is like a contrarian to me.
Dunnyboi usually disagrees with me.

So I didn't take too much stock in it. If June is in fact town I would say gob overreaction could be white knighting if i really decided to squint harder, but I could see the reverse being just as true that June talk with cats and such was just subtle buddying of Gob or something.

[June]

i just like talking about warrior cats

[Firebringer]

i just like talking about warrior cats

this is why i say its not alignment indicative

[June]

I would not use the sanctity of my warrior cats to do something so heinous like buddying

[June]

i actually dont think in general 'this' is how i would play as a wolf anymore it's not really fun to do nothing and then die for it

[Oblivion]

Rather than asking you "why do you think June is scum here?" I want to know the following two things

1) What from June's reactions to this post and posting after the fact when you supposedly discovered their alt made you flip your read on this player?
2) Given that you now do think June is town (is its understanding, correct it if not), what do you think of other players reactions to this post and interactions with June in hindsight? Is there any player in particular you think looks worse in a world where June is town?

1) I wouldn't say my read flipped on June. I would say I am more cautious. I think June main is one i am more likely to feel those posts made by June are less alignment indicative so I am waiting for her to do something I consider scummy. I do think her comment about being a powerful role is a lie though.
2) Well I don't think June is town.

Are u talking about all the posts in which people swept in immediately and called June town?

Wasn't that Dunnyboi and Gob?

Gob is like a contrarian to me.
Dunnyboi usually disagrees with me.

So I didn't take too much stock in it. If June is in fact town I would say gob overreaction could be white knighting if i really decided to squint harder, but I could see the reverse being just as true that June talk with cats and such was just subtle buddying of Gob or something.

It was, yes. Sorry if it was being vague, it didn't want to exactly spoonfeed you what it was thinking of, but make enough reference so that you would understand?

Then, between Gob and Dunn and June right now, if you were forced to shoot one of them, who would you kill? Follow up question, if that player flipped town, who among the whole playerbase would you shoot with that information? Actually, if they flip scum, who would you shoot too?

[Firebringer]

i think u shouldn't talk about warrior cats at all

[Firebringer]

@oblivion out of those three i would kill Gob right now

[June]

i think u shouldn't talk about warrior cats at all

I think you should feel the firey shot of my vigilante gun at night for saying this

[Firebringer]

idk who i would kill regardless of what Gob flipped. I haven't really been thinking about any associations if gob was scum. I don't even really think gob is scum right now, we are assuming a lot of things at this point and bound to be wrong on a few assumptions.

If gob is town then idk what that means for June or Dunnyboi
If gob is scum it probably means at least June is town