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Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:09 pm

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I wonder how many times you’ve played a PYP game….
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Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:11 pm

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In post 1073, Oblivion wrote:
In post 1071, Jake The Wolfie wrote: VOTE: Brian Skies
Did you read its take? Do you disagree with it?
It speaks with confusing language that was not considered when the vote was cast. After more carefully rereading it, I can confirm that I have no access to its' privileged information, and thus can only go by what it states.

I will say that Dave is not on my radar at the moment.
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Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:13 pm

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In post 1075, PenguinPower wrote: I wonder how many times you’ve played a PYP game….
I haven't, so my deductions for what players empirically do during a game are limited to this game.
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Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:13 pm

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Then probably don’t do that.
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Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:14 pm

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Sometimes less than e-1 wagons claim. If scum claim something good that is held by town then they get the town to claim too and probably a 1v1. All d1 outcomes of any claim are bad for town mechanically. It's always best to d1 lim outside the top 5 or 6 in this setup aside from the rare but possible case that all 3 scum are that high.
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Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:15 pm

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dave what’s the point of being like “yeah look at how sus pavowski is” if you never intend to vote there or support a wagon there today
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Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:16 pm

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My other position is that you don't permanently ignore anyone based on numbers alone. These positions are provable.
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Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:17 pm

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In post 1080, Dannflor wrote: dave what’s the point of being like “yeah look at how sus pavowski is” if you never intend to vote there or support a wagon there today
Is this a real question?
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Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:17 pm

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It's long term information. Like if / when I get killed...
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Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:19 pm

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meh Dave can be town
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Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:25 pm

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In post 1079, davesaz wrote: Sometimes less than e-1 wagons claim. If scum claim something good that is held by town then they get the town to claim too and probably a 1v1. All d1 outcomes of any claim are bad for town mechanically. It's always best to d1 lim outside the top 5 or 6 in this setup aside from the rare but possible case that all 3 scum are that high.
I would disagree that a 1v1 is a bad outcome for town. That's a guarenteed wolf axe for the loss of at most one townie.

If anything, a 1v1 this early in the game, even at the cost of an arbitrarily powerful town PR, would be more than made up for executing 1 of 3 scum.
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Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:27 pm

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In post 1076, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 1073, Oblivion wrote:
In post 1071, Jake The Wolfie wrote: VOTE: Brian Skies
Did you read its take? Do you disagree with it?
It speaks with confusing language that was not considered when the vote was cast. After more carefully rereading it, I can confirm that I have no access to its' privileged information, and thus can only go by what it states.

I will say that Dave is not on my radar at the moment.
Did you not get what Brian was saying in his post? That Dave contradicted himself with his different takes, depending upon what benefitted him at the moment?
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Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:28 pm

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In post 1084, PenguinPower wrote: meh Dave can be town
what made you say this
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Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:29 pm

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mindmeld over your weird question.
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Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:30 pm

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In post 900, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 898, gob wrote:
In post 897, davesaz wrote:
In post 896, gob wrote: I really do not like the compesition of the worst wagon .

the worst [4]:
Jake The Wolfie, May, PenguinPower, Firebringer

Unironicalyl I think we lim one of these people. I lean FB and PP.
Do you TR the worst?
It's moreso a null read. But given how everyone went against them quickly they're less likely to be mafia i'd say.
By everyone, you mean less than half of all players.

And in any case this means nothing much. We're trying to drag this game out of RVS, so some of us are trying to form a wagon to see how Duckland reacts. This is standard practice and is one of the only methods we have to get anything done today.

Perhaps you would like to help with early game info collection by joining this or similar wagons.
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Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:31 pm

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Getting scum early can help, I can't argue with that. But it's not the panacea that it's made out to be.

I've had several recent town losses where scum was eliminated d1 and it didn't help in the slightest. And more town losses than I can count where the only PR left that was capable of actually getting a guilty was forced to claim prematurely, NK'd, and scum skated to a win.
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Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:31 pm

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In post 906, Pavowski wrote: Upon review, the fact he's voting me the way he's doing it is probably +town for the duck.

That being said, I kinda like the wagon on him

Pedit: is quite a take
why is me going at you +town
why haven't you voted me
why do you like the wagon on me
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Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:32 pm

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In post 920, gob wrote: VOTE: PenguinPower

Run it up everyone. This person is scum most likely. Their jump onto worst is bad or something
how did you suggest like 40 good wagons in a 14 player game then vote the worst one ;(
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Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:32 pm

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i asked because without the context of dave's approach to the role list, it very much looks like support for the recently growing pavowski wagon

idk it's a little strange to me to dump a comment like that but also not really show concern over the fact that the wagon is growing around those suspicions at the same time if you truly believe such a wagon is anti-town
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Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:33 pm

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In post 1086, Oblivion wrote:
In post 1076, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 1073, Oblivion wrote:
In post 1071, Jake The Wolfie wrote: VOTE: Brian Skies
Did you read its take? Do you disagree with it?
It speaks with confusing language that was not considered when the vote was cast. After more carefully rereading it, I can confirm that I have no access to its' privileged information, and thus can only go by what it states.

I will say that Dave is not on my radar at the moment.
Did you not get what Brian was saying in his post? That Dave contradicted himself with his different takes, depending upon what benefitted him at the moment?
Those two positions are compatible, if it understands that the desire to lim outside the top of the list is a d1 strategy, while the desire to not permanently ignore slots is a whole game strategy.
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Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:34 pm

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In post 943, Firebringer wrote: u lying about ur confidence on ur reads
wait...so are u...
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Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:34 pm

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In post 1093, Dannflor wrote: i asked because without the context of dave's approach to the role list, it very much looks like support for the recently growing pavowski wagon

idk it's a little strange to me to dump a comment like that but also not really show concern over the fact that the wagon is growing around those suspicions at the same time if you truly believe such a wagon is anti-town
Perhaps it would help if I mentioned that I made the comment before re-checking the list.
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Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:34 pm

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helps some
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Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:36 pm

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In post 1094, davesaz wrote:
In post 1086, Oblivion wrote:
In post 1076, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 1073, Oblivion wrote:
In post 1071, Jake The Wolfie wrote: VOTE: Brian Skies
Did you read its take? Do you disagree with it?
It speaks with confusing language that was not considered when the vote was cast. After more carefully rereading it, I can confirm that I have no access to its' privileged information, and thus can only go by what it states.

I will say that Dave is not on my radar at the moment.
Did you not get what Brian was saying in his post? That Dave contradicted himself with his different takes, depending upon what benefitted him at the moment?
Those two positions are compatible, if it understands that the desire to lim outside the top of the list is a d1 strategy, while the desire to not permanently ignore slots is a whole game strategy.
Except it believes this is more examples of you misrepresenting things for your own benefit and purpose, whenever it benefits you situationally. You explicitly are using draft as a conditional to temporarily ignore slots for your reads, and then evolve from there. That is PRECISELY what it said, but you misrepresented it and are now using its own stance as if you were okay with it the whole time.
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Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:36 pm

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In post 1093, Dannflor wrote: i asked because without the context of dave's approach to the role list, it very much looks like support for the recently growing pavowski wagon

idk it's a little strange to me to dump a comment like that but also not really show concern over the fact that the wagon is growing around those suspicions at the same time if you truly believe such a wagon is anti-town
Literally what? I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
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