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[Solon]

VOTE: Random Nurse

This is indeed a random vote.

Any thoughts on what's happening above between Drew and Roland?

[Solon]

189 strikes me as a town post...I am less confident in my Roland townread than I was before.

[Solon]

So you don't think that's townie of Gob to have reacted like that? Like what is the issue you take with what I just pointed out?

Again....more votes please

Why are you not answering the question? I feel like I have a legitimate point here, that what Gob did just now is townie. Why is it so scummy of me to point this out that you request others to hop on the wagon and vote for me also for making what I honestly believe is a totally legitimate point? What is this?

I find this confusing, as you are talking about Gob but Drew doesn't seem to be talking about Gob from what I can see.

This whole thing around Gob feels a bit like blowing your own trumpet - trying to display how you are doing townie things. I don't really agree with your point on Gob, or at best it's a weak point and not worthy of the hype you're trying to generate over it.

[Solon]

Alright well I tell you what dude, if you think people are going to join a bandwagon to vote for me for making a good point about Gob's behavior then good luck with that lol. You are free to conf-bias your way into a read on me if you like

but, as one of my town reads, I hope you instead do something that is actually productive

, like giving more thought to my case on FancyPants, for example.

At the very least, you really shouldn't act like you have the game figured out when you haven't seen enough content from everyone yet. Who are you to say that the scum team is not fully contained in the people who have hardly posted a thing in this game, which includes Random Nurse (3 posts), FancyPants (1 post), and Not_Scum (1 post)? I know it is fun to go all inspector gadget on what you have and solve the puzzle, but it's probably a lot more likely that the people hardly saying anything are the ones more worthy of your suspicion.

So why did you townread Drew at the time of this post?

[Solon]

The more I look at posts like 194, I just can't shake the feeling that it's scum annoyed at being caught in a manner they deem to be unfair, due to the effort they have made so far compared with others.

Why did Roland make such a big deal about his Gob read, but make no comment on his huge reversal on me? Surely that would have been more worthy of comment? Or did the fact that your scumreading of me gained no interest make it inconvenient, especially in the face of being attacked by another player, and so you decided to drop it for a townread rather than have to battle on two fronts?

This is why it seems like a strategic reversal rather than a genuine one. Also with your townread on Drew - you try appeasement, and when it doesn't work drop it for a scumread and a vote, which again seems strategic.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Roland

[FancyPants]

Ok all caught up.

Towns:

Gob - My original town read on Gob was mostly a tone thing, coming into the thread and spamming, role claiming for lulz, and in general the idgaf what you think of me attitude strikes me as a town type behavioural pattern in general, fakeable but that's my general experience.
@Gob, can you please go into detail on 168 where you sus Roland, Not_mafia and Freezer?

Roland - seems to be genuinely trying to game solve I like how he's been suspicious of a Salon pocket and trying to dissect and poke into people's logic.

Salon - Genuine paranoia shown, I don't always agree with the conclusions he comes too but the attitude strikes me as a town one.

Nulls:
Everyone but Doctor Drew and Kay - I was initially town reading Freezer too for similar tonal reasons to Gob but after the kind of token contributions at the start of the game the desire to game solve has dwindled somewhat null for now.

Scums:

Kay - It feels a little too convenient that she has kind of floated about mostly giving town reads and then votes two lurkers in Not_Mafia and now Random_nurse.

Doctor Drew - my biggest scumread thus far his first post of 107 where he claims no reads after multiple pages of content and then urges us to slow down strikes me as anti-town at best and scummy at worst.
Additionally and worse imo is this interaction as someone has already pointed out:

I'm not taking any liberties or twisting arguments.

I am telling you that you are twisting my arguments and misrepresenting them. I know what my arguments are, what I am saying, and you do not. It is not

your

place to decide whether

you

are fairly representing what

I

am saying. It is

mine

and mine alone.

I really vibe with this, seems like genuine frustration.

Roland, how much experience do you have with mafia?

The bolded line is a pretty clear implicit town read.

He then goes back on this and votes Roland in the next post.
He explains that he never town read Roland but I don't see how you can read the bolded line above in any other way, which strikes me as dishonest.

My votes already on Doctor Drew and I'm happy where that is.

[FancyPants]

@Salon, on post 194, this kind of frustration generally reads town more than scum to me.

[FancyPants]

EBWOP: *Solon sorry

[Solon]

@Salon, on post 194, this kind of frustration generally reads town more than scum to me.

The whole interaction between Drew and Roland seems like TvS - Drew's reactions are calm yet persistent, while Roland seems uncomfortable in the limelight and wants to immediately rubbish any suspicion against him. It seems a bit desperate on his part, which is why I think it's more likely scum frustration, especially when he has made a good effort so far and done more than most in the game. I think as town he wouldn't worry too much about being scumread for something that is, in Roland's mind, baseless.

[KayJayQueue]

VOTE: Random Nurse

This is indeed a random vote.

Any thoughts on what's happening above between Drew and Roland?

I still think they’re both town at the moment.

[FancyPants]

I think townies are just as eager to defend themselves as scum, in some ways it's more emotional to defend oneself as town because you know your accusers are wrong. Whereas if you're scum you know your accusers have a point.


Do you buy that Drew's 166 is not an implicit town read of Roland?

[FancyPants]

VOTE: Random Nurse

This is indeed a random vote.

Any thoughts on what's happening above between Drew and Roland?

I still think they’re both town at the moment.

Interesting, do you mind expanding on why you think so?

[KayJayQueue]

Kay - It feels a little too convenient that she has kind of floated about mostly giving town reads and then votes two lurkers in Not_Mafia and now Random_nurse.

I voted Not_Mafia because they hadn’t said a word…very next post after my vote? Not_Mafia. I wanted to hear from RN more so I thought it might work again. I don’t think it’s a big deal.

[Solon]

I think townies are just as eager to defend themselves as scum, in some ways it's more emotional to defend oneself as town because you know your accusers are wrong. Whereas if you're scum you know your accusers have a point.

Do you buy that Drew's 166 is not an implicit town read of Roland?

I would interpret it as a conditional townread, depending on Roland's experience of the game.

I certainly don't think it's scummy of Drew to have townie feelings about Roland and to then change to scumreading him upon further developments. I've done the same myself, as Roland appeared very townie early in the game, but he seems scummy in his recent exchange with Drew.

[Solon]

In fact, I would say it's +town for Drew to change his read like that. Scum are generally more careful when it comes to read consistency.

[FancyPants]

I just don't think there's enough substance between the town read and the vote to justify changing.
Additionally I don't like that Drew doesn't really own up to changing his mind - instead he kind of pretends he didn't town read Roland in the first place.

[Solon]

I just don't think there's enough substance between the town read and the vote to justify changing.
Additionally I don't like that Drew doesn't really own up to changing his mind - instead he kind of pretends he didn't town read Roland in the first place.

You make an interesting point.

I'm going out now, so will review in a few hours.

[FancyPants]

@KayJay, Can you expand on why you think both Drew and Roland are town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok this one is kinda hard to explain, but from all the games I’ve played and seen, there are few patterns made in my head about certain types of play style, and how they usually operate alignment wise. Gob is one such case. It’s not perfect (notice that I haven’t called Gob locktown), but it’s enough at this stage of the game unless something happens.

Are you saying this specifically for Gob? Or just in general?

In general. I never played with Gob before so I can’t really apply things specifically for him.

[GuyInFreezer]

The game barely started and you're already throwing out value judgements every which way.

We call this “playing the game.”

[KayJayQueue]

Hot take but I’m getting town-leaning feelings from all of the following at the moment:

Drew, Roland, Freezer, Solon

It’s not overly specific posts but moreso tone, content, and vibes. Obviously it’s very likely one of them is fooling me and I’m being gullible about someone here, but at the moment I don’t think I’ll be voting any of them. There is one that I could be convinced of with the right argument but I don’t want to give it away just yet. I’d rather see what they post next and form a better opinion.

(this was a general post but also works as my response to FancyPants’ question toward me. Although I’m sure it’s not as detailed as he’d like)

[FancyPants]

Hmm I kinda like your response honestly.
Although I do think you're wrong about Drew. To be honest.

@GuyinFreeze - if you had to elim someone right now who would it be?

[GuyInFreezer]

Drew idk how hard you’re trying to get that townread, but that ain’t the right way.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hmm I kinda like your response honestly.
Although I do think you're wrong about Drew. To be honest.

@GuyinFreeze - if you had to elim someone right now who would it be?

If I have to pick a single name, Random Nurse

[GuyInFreezer]

If your follow up question is “why not Drew?”

Then it’s because I’ve never seen him play like this yet. Someone easy going tensing up and switching to more serious style is always a big red flag for me, but I do admit I’ve only played with him few times before so I’m not in the position to say that I know how he works. I can see town playing like this too, so yeah.