Micro Normal 1100 | Game Over

[GuyInFreezer]

Although I have to admit, Drew asking about the fancypants vote from Roland when there was literally a big post of concern about fancypants like 2 posts before that vote is pretty ????

[FancyPants]

Hmm I kinda like your response honestly.
Although I do think you're wrong about Drew. To be honest.

@GuyinFreeze - if you had to elim someone right now who would it be?

If I have to pick a single name, Random Nurse

Is that because of lurking and PoE or something more? I don't hate that, just asking.

[GuyInFreezer]

A little bit of both. I also found their vote on me opportunistic so a tint of personal spite as well.

[RolandOfGilead]

Why did your read on me change, Roland?

The more we talked, and the more that you talked in general, the less likely it seemed to me that you were scum. When I moved my vote off you, it was more to see how you'd react to that, if you'd just lie down after I did so, and the fact that you didn't just reinforces my belief that your concerns are genuine.

[RolandOfGilead]

So you don't think that's townie of Gob to have reacted like that? Like what is the issue you take with what I just pointed out?

Again....more votes please

Why are you not answering the question? I feel like I have a legitimate point here, that what Gob did just now is townie. Why is it so scummy of me to point this out that you request others to hop on the wagon and vote for me also for making what I honestly believe is a totally legitimate point? What is this?

I find this confusing, as you are talking about Gob but Drew doesn't seem to be talking about Gob from what I can see.

If you find something confusing, then why take issue with the question? The question is meant to alleviate this confusion, no matter what it is about.

This whole thing around Gob feels a bit like blowing your own trumpet - trying to display how you are doing townie things. I don't really agree with your point on Gob, or at best it's a weak point and not worthy of the hype you're trying to generate over it.

You completely misunderstand my point if you think

I

am the one generating the hype here. Did you not see Drew say, multiple times, that

he

wants all of you to vote for me because of what I said about Gob? If you think my point on him is flimsy, that's totally fine, I'm in full agreement that it's shaky to town read a person on just that one thing, but what I don't understand at all is how my stance here is just so reprehensible that Drew wants all of town to vote for me because of it. This hype is a Drew thing, not a Roland thing.

[RolandOfGilead]

Alright well I tell you what dude, if you think people are going to join a bandwagon to vote for me for making a good point about Gob's behavior then good luck with that lol. You are free to conf-bias your way into a read on me if you like

but, as one of my town reads, I hope you instead do something that is actually productive

, like giving more thought to my case on FancyPants, for example.

At the very least, you really shouldn't act like you have the game figured out when you haven't seen enough content from everyone yet. Who are you to say that the scum team is not fully contained in the people who have hardly posted a thing in this game, which includes Random Nurse (3 posts), FancyPants (1 post), and Not_Scum (1 post)? I know it is fun to go all inspector gadget on what you have and solve the puzzle, but it's probably a lot more likely that the people hardly saying anything are the ones more worthy of your suspicion.

So why did you townread Drew at the time of this post?

I didn't. I was null on him and wanted to see how he would react to me suggesting that I town-read him.

And look at how he responded. He laid right down, acquiesced, asked me, yes Roland, alright, let's set aside my concern about you and talk about your case on FancyPants instead, guy who townreads me and who I should perhaps try to be pocketing. Let's discuss!

It was both that reaction to it, and the question itself (which was a bizarre thing to ask about, as I explained), that definitively moved him out of null territory for me and into scum territory.

His follow-up to my case on him was very unsatisfying also and continues to show a lack of engagement on his part. Why am I not scum-reading the two inactive players, he asks? I already explained that I was null on them and would continue to be null on them until they posted more, so it seemed like a desperate attempt to try and dig up something to divert attention rather than a genuine thought.

[RolandOfGilead]

On a side note, I no longer scum-read FancyPants. It obviously makes no sense for him to be partnered with Drew, since he initially voted for Drew (which, sure, you could argue was distancing) but then finished his analysis of the game, gave a good summary of where he thinks things are at, and then allowed his vote to stay on Drew, not taking the out (much harder to convince me that

that

is distancing). Drew is my heaviest scum read at the moment so I'm more inclined to align my reads with that in mind.

[gob]

I really feel freezerguy is frozen scum (no oun intended) and we should lim him today.

i know its not the most exciting since ive been pushing freezer since page 1, but every time they post i become more confident they are scum.

So i implore everyone to vote CreezerGuy

[RolandOfGilead]

I have 0 interest in doing that.

[gob]

I have 0 interest in doing that.

Sometimes we must let go of our pride and do what is requested of us.

[GuyInFreezer]

I really feel freezerguy is frozen scum (no oun intended) and we should lim him today.

i know its not the most exciting since ive been pushing freezer since page 1, but every time they post i become more confident they are scum.

So i implore everyone to vote CreezerGuy

Are you really that scared of being vigged tonight?
You could just politely ask me to not vig you, and maybe I won’t!
Letting go of pride and all that, right?

[RolandOfGilead]

I have 0 interest in doing that.

Sometimes we must let go of our pride and do what is requested of us.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw I’ve reduced the pull to Nurse/Drew/N_M at this point. I’m technically done with solves, but this feels way too easy and I never get easy games, so I’m now at a lookout mode to see if there are any new developments throughout the day.

[gob]

I really feel freezerguy is frozen scum (no oun intended) and we should lim him today.

i know its not the most exciting since ive been pushing freezer since page 1, but every time they post i become more confident they are scum.

So i implore everyone to vote CreezerGuy

Are you really that scared of being vigged tonight?
You could just politely ask me to not vig you, and maybe I won’t!
Letting go of pride and all that, right?

I dont think you are vigi weve been over this

[GuyInFreezer]

I don’t think you don’t think I’m the vigi

[Doctor Drew]

I think townies are just as eager to defend themselves as scum, in some ways it's more emotional to defend oneself as town because you know your accusers are wrong. Whereas if you're scum you know your accusers have a point.

Do you buy that Drew's 166 is not an implicit town read of Roland?

I would interpret it as a conditional townread, depending on Roland's experience of the game.

I certainly don't think it's scummy of Drew to have townie feelings about Roland and to then change to scumreading him upon further developments. I've done the same myself, as Roland appeared very townie early in the game, but he seems scummy in his recent exchange with Drew.

^^^

Check out the big brain on Solon!

They understood why I asked the question about Roland's experience with mafia.

[gob]

I don’t think you don’t think I’m the vigi

Okay

[gob]

wait until these newbies understand who i am

[GuyInFreezer]

Drew a little bird tells me that you asked Roland for experience and jumped on him once you learned that he’s kinda new. What would you tell the little bird about it?

[GuyInFreezer]

wait until these newbies understand who i am

Whoever you are D1 isn’t your strong suit :^)

[gob]

wait until these newbies understand who i am

Whoever you are D1 isn’t your strong suit :^)

We’ll see how accurate i was post game. Even if im wrong this game idc. I know who i am (the best)

[Doctor Drew]

Drew a little bird tells me that you asked Roland for experience and jumped on him once you learned that he’s kinda new. What would you tell the little bird about it?

I would tell that bird to take the same Drew reading class that the turtle needs to take.

I asked the question since I didn't think someone who has never played the game could fake the genuine frustration that I pointed out, once they said they had some experience playing the game I was curious how they would react to a naked vote.

If anything was conditional it was my vote on them, which now is a vote on scum me thinks.

[gob]

we’re not free

[RolandOfGilead]

@Drew

It's crazy how much of your case depends on your interpretation of my experience and what I am supposedly capable of. It's an angle that allows you to construct a case basically however you please, where you assign me however much experience I would need to have in order for your case to make sense.

I never told you how many games I played on my old guild forums. Was it two? Ten? Fifty? Three hundred? You don't know, because I didn't tell you. So how are you able to build a case based on my experience when you know so little about it?

It just seems to me like you're talking about stuff that is very easy for you to mold and modify as you see fit. Talking about things outside of this game, relying on those things for your reads, is a terrific strategy for scum, because who can really validate it? Nobody else will be able to question your assumption on my experience because they don't know what it is either. You are working with material that's very convenient for you to use, very versatile and easy to manipulate in whichever way you need in order for your argument to make sense.

[GuyInFreezer]

wait until these newbies understand who i am

Whoever you are D1 isn’t your strong suit :^)

We’ll see how accurate i was post game. Even if im wrong this game idc. I know who i am (the best)

Oh I thought you were altclaiming.
Disregard what I said then.