Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

[NotAScum]

Do you SR Black independently, or only via partner equity?

Not sure what you mean by partner equity, but mt SR on Black is pure on her back and forth with gob.

What was this about?

These are related to the following questions that I'll ask to SmileyDude1.

1. Can you go through your thought process during the Gob/Snow vig situation? You start out more so believing in Gob in your 813 and 814 then precede to pitching the idea that both of them are town and thinking Gob's vig claim wasn't serious in your 867 and 870 before you transition to calling him scum in your 926. What caused your thoughts to change at these points?

2. Was their anything in particular that made you think Gob was likely to flip Goon specifically? Or are you saying it's more of a misinterpretation?

All of your questions have been answered, you're asking questions based on my posts which are the answers. Now, I asked you a question before which you didn't answer, about what you think about Black. You're dodged that question which did not go unnoticed. I'll ask you different set of questions now, what did you do N1, SmileyDude1? Did you visit anyone? Who and why?

[Hu Tao]

Okay I'm going to catch up now

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Random Nurse

I think the way he initially sided with gob to try and get me faded indicates he was part of the scum agenda. There's a chance he was just scumsiding as town, I just don't think the thought process of "gob is lying scum, but my gut is telling me Black is his partner so I want to go Black first" makes any sense for a townie to have. He didn't back off of me and switch to gob until gob's lim was inevitable

I have a theory on the third but I want to keep that under wraps for now

I personally think NAS was worse than him

[Black]

NAS why are you asking everyone if they performed actions N1? You do realize this information only helps scum right?

[Hu Tao]

Checking in.

Read through Black/Gob interactions again upon daystart ocurring and I think I stand by what I said earlier in that I don't think Black is a partner here. Fairly certain she's just town here.

While doing this I noticed that there were multiple instances of NotScum believing that Gob is a goon (999, 926) and i'm wondering if this could be a freudian slip (like predicting Gob is a "goon" only for him to flip as a goon looks like you knew he was going to flip as that scum role). Checking through their ISO I also don't vibe with their progression on Gob yesterday with NaS trying to defend Gob against Snow and Black at first, before voting them later after most people stated they believed Snow over Gob

VOTE: NotScum

Would you mind explaining the above

Yeah I could see this being the case

[Hu Tao]

Smiley town

I think one of Nurse/NAS is scum but probably not both. This is a gut feeling based on 474. The way Nurse asks this makes me think they're unpartnered

Currently I'm feeling like NAS is just newtown but I should probably reevaluate

I agree with smiley town. He's probably my #1 town read

[Hu Tao]

sus people:
gob
NotAScum
RN
StD

Town:
Smiley
Snow

Hu,Black,shaddowez are null

lotta sus people and only four town. Seems fake to me

I think I'm more wary of Naerys because I'm not sure why gob would townspew her like this after he fake claimed Vig and there was a real possibility that he would be faded

This is a good point

[Hu Tao]

Smiley what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

Looking at Hu Tao+ Gob, I think I feel marginally worse about her than I did before. Looking at it from Gob's end, the most notable interactions for me were 129 where Gob accuses Hu Tao of a slip (This feels +town for Hu Tao. I feel like scum usually don't go for that method of distancing), 499 and 500 where he proclaims T3 as town after Hu Tao said she'd rather vote there (feels like shade), 749 where he calls Hu Tao his friend (eyebrow-raising though probs incorrect to read too much into it) and 1096 which could just as feasibly be distancing given the period in which he said that.

Looking at it from Hu Tao's end. The early part of the day 2 interactions are tough for me to parse. Looking back, the early push on you feels kind of bad and they also initially defended Gob during the vig CC stuff. Though I think their progression in regards to this feels perfectly reasonable, transitioning to agreement that it's just Gob when she realizes that he's not dropping the CC. I also think the way they approached this situation doesn't feel like it's informed. Like I feel like if you're scum in that position when Gob makes the vig claim, it makes more sense to stray away from Gob in case they get CCed (which is what happened). Instead, Hu Tao holds onto Gob town narrative for longer then what i'd expect in the event they were his scum partner.

Would probs put them in the same tier as Naerys. They generally feel towny to me, I wouldn't rule them out completely but I don't feel like looking there today.

(Smiley, Black, StD)
(Hu Tao, Naerys)
(Shaddowez) <--- This one's mostly here due to not getting another chance to look at them yet, a placeholder so to speak.
(Nurse, NotScum)

I mean it's obvious I'm not partnered with Gob because of how I saw him claim vig and thought he was doing it to take a night kill

[Hu Tao]

But I guess that could be faked now that I think about it.

[NotAScum]

NAS why are you asking everyone if they performed actions N1? You do realize this information only helps scum right?

I didn't ask everyone, only 3 people. And these information can help certain town roles too.

[Black]

NAS why are you asking everyone if they performed actions N1? You do realize this information only helps scum right?

I didn't ask everyone, only 3 people. And these information can help certain town roles too.

This is an awful take. You're trying to out the town power roles. That's extremely anti-town

[Hu Tao]

I agree with NAS being scum. I think the last is Dragons. I liked Naerys push on gob day 1. I liked shadows overall play. And I don't think random and NAS are a team. I think black is town and I think smiley is town.

[Hu Tao]

I don't feel like dragon has done anything that warrants a tr

[Black]

Smiley what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

Looking at Hu Tao+ Gob, I think I feel marginally worse about her than I did before. Looking at it from Gob's end, the most notable interactions for me were 129 where Gob accuses Hu Tao of a slip (This feels +town for Hu Tao. I feel like scum usually don't go for that method of distancing), 499 and 500 where he proclaims T3 as town after Hu Tao said she'd rather vote there (feels like shade), 749 where he calls Hu Tao his friend (eyebrow-raising though probs incorrect to read too much into it) and 1096 which could just as feasibly be distancing given the period in which he said that.

Looking at it from Hu Tao's end. The early part of the day 2 interactions are tough for me to parse. Looking back, the early push on you feels kind of bad and they also initially defended Gob during the vig CC stuff. Though I think their progression in regards to this feels perfectly reasonable, transitioning to agreement that it's just Gob when she realizes that he's not dropping the CC. I also think the way they approached this situation doesn't feel like it's informed. Like I feel like if you're scum in that position when Gob makes the vig claim, it makes more sense to stray away from Gob in case they get CCed (which is what happened). Instead, Hu Tao holds onto Gob town narrative for longer then what i'd expect in the event they were his scum partner.

Would probs put them in the same tier as Naerys. They generally feel towny to me, I wouldn't rule them out completely but I don't feel like looking there today.

(Smiley, Black, StD)
(Hu Tao, Naerys)
(Shaddowez) <--- This one's mostly here due to not getting another chance to look at them yet, a placeholder so to speak.
(Nurse, NotScum)

I mean it's obvious I'm not partnered with Gob because of how I saw him claim vig and thought he was doing it to take a night kill

You are absolutely not cleared here

[Black]

I can see Gob/RN here

What happened to this

[Hu Tao]

Smiley what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

Looking at Hu Tao+ Gob, I think I feel marginally worse about her than I did before. Looking at it from Gob's end, the most notable interactions for me were 129 where Gob accuses Hu Tao of a slip (This feels +town for Hu Tao. I feel like scum usually don't go for that method of distancing), 499 and 500 where he proclaims T3 as town after Hu Tao said she'd rather vote there (feels like shade), 749 where he calls Hu Tao his friend (eyebrow-raising though probs incorrect to read too much into it) and 1096 which could just as feasibly be distancing given the period in which he said that.

Looking at it from Hu Tao's end. The early part of the day 2 interactions are tough for me to parse. Looking back, the early push on you feels kind of bad and they also initially defended Gob during the vig CC stuff. Though I think their progression in regards to this feels perfectly reasonable, transitioning to agreement that it's just Gob when she realizes that he's not dropping the CC. I also think the way they approached this situation doesn't feel like it's informed. Like I feel like if you're scum in that position when Gob makes the vig claim, it makes more sense to stray away from Gob in case they get CCed (which is what happened). Instead, Hu Tao holds onto Gob town narrative for longer then what i'd expect in the event they were his scum partner.

Would probs put them in the same tier as Naerys. They generally feel towny to me, I wouldn't rule them out completely but I don't feel like looking there today.

(Smiley, Black, StD)
(Hu Tao, Naerys)
(Shaddowez) <--- This one's mostly here due to not getting another chance to look at them yet, a placeholder so to speak.
(Nurse, NotScum)

I mean it's obvious I'm not partnered with Gob because of how I saw him claim vig and thought he was doing it to take a night kill

You are absolutely not cleared here

Never said I was

[Hu Tao]

I can see Gob/RN here

What happened to this

I think it's one of RN or NAS and I'm leaning NAS. I've seen RN be this stubborn on me before and he was town so I could see that here.

[Black]

VOTE: Random Nurse

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Random Nurse

Why?

[Hu Tao]

Actually I see. You're thinking RN and I might be partnered and I'm soft defending I'm assuming?

[Black]

Mmhmm

[Black]

I have a theory on the third but I want to keep that under wraps for now

I might as well reveal this now. The third is Hu

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Black

It is clear to me that Black and Gob are teammates.

you misspelled your own name

VOTE: random nurse

[Black]

I don't think StD has done anything to deserve a townread but I have a gut feeling that he's town

[Black]

I can see Gob/RN here

What happened to this

I think it's one of RN or NAS and I'm leaning NAS. I've seen RN be this stubborn on me before and he was town so I could see that here.

Why do you think only one of them is scum?