Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Political Clout]

psyche I'll be honest I'm worried about you being so in love with the idea of your NaS case

like I feel surely you must have witnessed town contradict themselves before in similar ways

it's because they are lazy scum. lol.

[Random Nurse]

our IC has graced us with his presence but he can't find the mafia who is driving the NAS wagon

if only his work was not so busy we could be guided to the promised land

All these flavors out there and you choose to be toxic.

Tell me, what did we do to spur you to wake up out of bed and choose violence?

[Random Nurse]

My favorite thing about this game is the disdain that drips from Ari every time she mentions RN

It's just really weird.

[Psyche]

psyche I'll be honest I'm worried about you being so in love with the idea of your NaS case

like I feel surely you must have witnessed town contradict themselves before in similar ways

hmmm i guess i feel like this contradiction shows a level of contrivance that i don't see in other town contradictions. is the difference between a lie and a mistake to me

[Political Clout]

psyche I'll be honest I'm worried about you being so in love with the idea of your NaS case

like I feel surely you must have witnessed town contradict themselves before in similar ways

hmmm i guess i feel like this contradiction shows a level of contrivance that i don't see in other town contradictions. is the difference between a lie and a mistake to me

so massive?

[Aristeia]

our IC has graced us with his presence but he can't find the mafia who is driving the NAS wagon

if only his work was not so busy we could be guided to the promised land

All these flavors out there and you choose to be toxic.

Tell me, what did we do to spur you to wake up out of bed and choose violence?

I just miss the warmth of your guiding light

[Aristeia]

im just convinced that hu tao has been trying to sort slots, and that their trajectories around key moments has been organic

but i havent gotten around yet to really putting this thinking under a microscope

sure give me an example or two of hu tao "sorting"

[Psyche]

im not so in love w it as i was before but i suspect that if i dug into my iso and found the posts i'd get caught up in the passion all over again

otoh ive been in games where ive caught a solid scumread and then let the mere passage of time weaken my confidence in it.

i think if my NAS read were wrong then it'd be obvious at this point

[Dannflor]

also it's not the pulling out the wiki that's scummy
it's the fiction that the slot decided to vote hu tao based on the content of that wiki

i guess it's like

if a player is going to make a rhetorical point by linking a wiki article to back up their vote, and it turns out the wiki article doesn't really back up their vote

I expect that to be town who just assumed that the article would back up their preconceived notions rather than scum who are usually way more diligent about fact checking shit like that

like it's clear to me that NaS' original vote on Hu Tao was like, wholly theatrical

[Aristeia]

our IC has graced us with his presence but he can't find the mafia who is driving the NAS wagon

if only his work was not so busy we could be guided to the promised land

All these flavors out there and you choose to be toxic.

Tell me, what did we do to spur you to wake up out of bed and choose violence?

well if you actually want an explanation;

I just wrote 2099

and I am working to try to figure out if Hu Tao/Psyche actually believe in this NAS lim or if they're just doing whatever cuz he's an easy target

so when I see you re-enter the thread after a lengthy absence of doing absolutely nothing and start hypothesizing about things I've already laid out and then claim you can't be available to sort it out while continuing to afk-vote me with absolutely no effort to sort out exactly who is the mafia who is driving this NAS-town-wagon as you claim is happening.

it tilts me tremendously.

like even if you came in with "Ari is mafia and she's trying to drive the NAS-mislim" that would be better than this thing where you just say something and do nothing to work it out.

[Hu Tao]

do you want to eliminate hu tao, ari

yes

Naur

[KayJayQueue]

I literally cannot see a path to Hu Tao being scum. I think we’re going in circles trying to find reasons Hu might be bad. If we’re voting NAS, I’m fine with it. PC? Sure let’s do it. But I think we’re chasing our tails with the Hu discussion. I’m ready to put Hu next to RN on my list.

[Political Clout]

I literally cannot see a path to Hu Tao being scum. I think we’re going in circles trying to find reasons Hu might be bad. If we’re voting NAS, I’m fine with it. PC? Sure let’s do it. But I think we’re chasing our tails with the Hu discussion. I’m ready to put Hu next to RN on my list.

WHY? HOW? WHAT???????

[Aristeia]

I literally cannot see a path to Hu Tao being scum. I think we’re going in circles trying to find reasons Hu might be bad. If we’re voting NAS, I’m fine with it. PC? Sure let’s do it. But I think we’re chasing our tails with the Hu discussion. I’m ready to put Hu next to RN on my list.

can you say why hu tao can't be scum

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I am bad at the game. But any team I can come up with has NAS in it.

[Psyche]

i find the part of mafia where i'm pushing a read kind of off-putting
i have to stick to a single point of view and endlessly pursue it and cajole people to feel the same way
and then all the while i have to manage the anxiety at the prospect that i'm wrong
i think the way ive been managing it has been by reminding myself that this is a game where mistakes are ok and you have to make bets and navigate uncertainty if you want to win big
sitting on the fence all game worrying about being wrong wastes a chance to stretch myself and feel something
but of course i'm trying to fit in being a sociable team player this game too

[Hu Tao]

I literally cannot see a path to Hu Tao being scum. I think we’re going in circles trying to find reasons Hu might be bad. If we’re voting NAS, I’m fine with it. PC? Sure let’s do it. But I think we’re chasing our tails with the Hu discussion. I’m ready to put Hu next to RN on my list.

WHY? HOW? WHAT???????

Because I received a green PM

[Political Clout]

everytime dann posts about me all I can think is why is he lying? I wasn't even being aggressive with dave.

[KayJayQueue]

I literally cannot see a path to Hu Tao being scum. I think we’re going in circles trying to find reasons Hu might be bad. If we’re voting NAS, I’m fine with it. PC? Sure let’s do it. But I think we’re chasing our tails with the Hu discussion. I’m ready to put Hu next to RN on my list.

can you say why hu tao can't be scum

*gestures to entire ISO*
Obviously this is rooted in my subjective opinion. I just personally don’t see how a hypothetical Hu-scum plays day 1 that way. I’m being incredibly stubborn about my read because it’s the one I believe in the most. Is there a world where I’m wrong? Well sure. But one of us has to be right eventually, don’t we?!

[Political Clout]

accidentally caught dannflor rofl.

[Political Clout]

I literally cannot see a path to Hu Tao being scum. I think we’re going in circles trying to find reasons Hu might be bad. If we’re voting NAS, I’m fine with it. PC? Sure let’s do it. But I think we’re chasing our tails with the Hu discussion. I’m ready to put Hu next to RN on my list.

can you say why hu tao can't be scum

*gestures to entire ISO*
Obviously this is rooted in my subjective opinion. I just personally don’t see how a hypothetical Hu-scum plays day 1 that way. I’m being incredibly stubborn about my read because it’s the one I believe in the most. Is there a world where I’m wrong? Well sure. But one of us has to be right eventually, don’t we?!

but what if I want to see what you see since we're in a game together and our win depends on eachother getting our reads right what would be your most convincing argument for hutown? help me see what you're seeing.

[Political Clout]

inb4 I don't want to because scum will kill me again lmao.

[Hu Tao]

I'm willing to settle and eliminate gera today since he'd likely just be voted out tomorrow.

[Psyche]

also it's not the pulling out the wiki that's scummy
it's the fiction that the slot decided to vote hu tao based on the content of that wiki

i guess it's like

if a player is going to make a rhetorical point by linking a wiki article to back up their vote, and it turns out the wiki article doesn't really back up their vote

I expect that to be town who just assumed that the article would back up their preconceived notions rather than scum who are usually way more diligent about fact checking shit like that

like it's clear to me that NaS' original vote on Hu Tao was like, wholly theatrical

i know it's a possibility, but i just don't find this alternative explanation all that compelling. i think it's more likely that NAS's reasons for voting hu tao here were contrived. i think the additional justifications he provided in later posts ring fake and unbelievable. and i don't really like the slot's naeyrs hammer either. i could be wrong, but i'm still willing to my credibility this game that i'm not.

when i'm at a desk again maybe i recapitulate the case

[Dannflor]

everytime dann posts about me all I can think is why is he lying? I wasn't even being aggressive with dave.

maybe not aggressive but there was a lot of attention given to your back and forth over disagreeing where you should focus today? idk what the point of it was