Mini Theme 2328: Death Note: Second Page. Day 3!

[HighPrincessErinys]

they call me doctor worm

good morning how are you? I'm doctor worm

I'm interesting in things

I'm not a real doctor but I am a real worm I am an actual worm

hiii gimli hiiiiii its time for me to pocket you hiiiiii

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't know if I know how to play this anymore

Cackled.

[HighPrincessErinys]

they call me doctor worm

good morning how are you? I'm doctor worm

I'm interesting in things

I'm not a real doctor but I am a real worm I am an actual worm

hiii gimli hiiiiii its time for me to pocket you hiiiiii

seems unlike you to approach me like this

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

sure it makes perfect sense

VOTE: HPE

ready to die for the cause sir
VOTE: HPE

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't see how is talking about flavor in the thread is supposed to help on finding Kira.

- A

its been less than 4 hours chill

[HighPrincessErinys]

Not this fresh hell again.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

sure it makes perfect sense

VOTE: HPE

VOTE: HPE

I get a visceral reaction from both Cuddle's name and avatar that makes me want to execute them but they look town to me currently

You're probably unfortunately right but your reaction serves you well.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Cuddle Time
down to clown on this

[HighPrincessErinys]

How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.

I fail to understand why you think I was trying to throw shade on Rat's joke just by asking them a question when I never even gave a read.

- A

VOTE: CUDDLE TIME

I don't see how complaining about RVS banter is supposed to help on finding Kira

So instead you prefer to just talk about flavor? Just wanting to talk about flavor and not solving is scummy.

- A

This isn't a read, huh? You literally called it scummy. And, one would assume, my flavor banter too.

VOTE: CUDDLE TIME

This is not a read. This was asking a question and afterwards saying why just talking about flavor for a long time is scummy. I clearly said on 43 I didn't have any reads.

- A

*head explodes*

How can you say that a behavior about which you are complaining is scummy, and then promptly claim to have no reads?!?

You're introducing a new thought here about it going on for "a long time" to walk back the thought. Do you not actually think the flavor talk was going on for a long time?

Aureal, trust me: It's not worth it.

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This one doesn't want to like, be a dick about it by driving the point home but it just thinks trying to understand Adorable here is a futile effort and we're gonna wanna wait for the other heads to rear themselves.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one doesn't want to like, be a dick about it by driving the point home but it just thinks trying to understand Adorable here is a futile effort and we're gonna wanna wait for the other heads to rear themselves.

And yet you're... voting with me? :thinking:

This one is a big fan of blowing people up based on game-irrelevant vibes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Just ask cw357!

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How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.

You should understand hydra dissonance lol

In what universe will this hydra not be dissonant

Both of these posts are ? because dissonance has absolutely nothing to do with what Aureal was talking about especially since it'd mostly been Adorable posting with a few comments from Black (none of which were related/referring to Aureal until

after

this post by Aureal).

[HighPrincessErinys]

Why did you vote our slot before waiting for the other heads to post then, if you claim you needed us to before you are able to properly sort us?

It's more about just personal policy lim until something better presents itself because this hydra is destined to be a confusing clusterfuck that's just going to waste town's time trying to understand lmao. This one is sorry but you know it's probably true.....

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But your slot has made 37 posts and the rest of us have barely got double digits. Couple that with the hydra dissonance you're already showing at best you're a net negative for the town right now. But since your slot has given the most content my honest opinion is that it is pretty anti-town with the hydra dissonance alone.

That's a weird sentiment because what hydra dissonance have we shown???

Unless I'm missing something all of us have been scumreading HPE and that's mostly it?

Have to agree here though that the hydra dissonance argument just Doesn't Make Sense right. This one IS kneejerking at Adorable shenanigans but what the hell is everyone else on this slot doing?

[HighPrincessErinys]

But your slot has made 37 posts and the rest of us have barely got double digits. Couple that with the hydra dissonance you're already showing at best you're a net negative for the town right now. But since your slot has given the most content my honest opinion is that it is pretty anti-town with the hydra dissonance alone.

That's a weird sentiment because what hydra dissonance have we shown???

Unless I'm missing something all of us have been scumreading HPE and that's mostly it?

Have to agree here though that the hydra dissonance argument just Doesn't Make Sense right now. This one IS kneejerking at Adorable shenanigans but what the hell is everyone else on this slot doing?

ebwop

[HighPrincessErinys]

But your slot has made 37 posts and the rest of us have barely got double digits. Couple that with the hydra dissonance you're already showing at best you're a net negative for the town right now. But since your slot has given the most content my honest opinion is that it is pretty anti-town with the hydra dissonance alone.

That's a weird sentiment because what hydra dissonance have we shown???

Unless I'm missing something all of us have been scumreading HPE and that's mostly it?

Have to agree here though that the hydra dissonance argument just Doesn't Make Sense right. This one IS kneejerking at Adorable shenanigans but what the hell is everyone else on this slot doing?

We're trying to solve. What are you doing?

-Black

Having a kneejerk reaction, like it just said.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think it does, I cited when it happened earlier and it's literally happening in real time now, HPE. I can quote the situations better when I'm not mobile posting or you can go back to page 3 or whenever it started and take a look for yourself on the merits of my claim. Or you know, the fact that it's happening now in real time. Dragon even scolded Black in this thread!

There's nothing wrong with us not being on the same page. I'm not going to consult the hydra PT every time I want to share an opinion on someone. That's ridiculous to expect. You're just going to have to deal with it

Also kinda real and true

[HighPrincessErinys]

You're going to have to be more specific.

who what why

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cs357 was a townie that scum!HPE pushed, so this "defense" of saying it's just something it likes to do and comparing the two situations feels like a scumclaim more than anything else.

He was also an extremely annoying shitposting ratlord.

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So HPE, is ActionDan Kira or just the other Follower

Kira Followers don't know who the other follower is.............. Klick, you read the setup..................... right................................?

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Cuddle
Also just going to let the hydra sort itself out, see if its a clusterfuck like this one predicted.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I guess HPE just honestly feels that's something it would do regardless of alignment?

Correct!

[HighPrincessErinys]

I might have found Aureal's aggression and questioning towny if it weren't for her being in the wrong at every turn. It sours me.

What on earth does that mean? What am I wrong about?

As many have said Klick's entrance is doodoo.

You explain this too please.

It would require an essay to explain every fallacy in your conversation with the Hydra - I really don't care to do that.

As for Klick he came in and engaged with a trivial post and his rejoinder was not germane

@cuddles : I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine.

VOTE: HIGH PRINCESS SCUMRINYS

We've been opposite alignments for 4 games in a row, don't see a reason it would change now.

Okay bye I'm going to play the marathon NewD3 now.

????

The first one totally sounds like something I would say, and I'm always town so maaaaaybe I could kinda see it being towny (but really that's probably just a personal quirk of mine). But I definitely disagree on the second, it feels somewhat pre-emptively defensive to need to announce that you're leaving to do something else.

I allow myself some idiosyncrasies to how I judge some early statements. I wasn't married to the read but after post 164 I'm quite happy with it.

My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)

Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira

You're welcome to share that.

paul harrell is that you

[HighPrincessErinys]

Well, this one generally tries to mix up its approach at least a little every game, but also after tunneling hard on you last time and being wrong its time to see if doing the opposite will make me right.

sure it makes perfect sense

VOTE: HPE

ready to die for the cause sir
VOTE: HPE

Those who scumread hpe, why is this not a soft for gimli as Kira?

oh my god bruh it was a shitpost

[HighPrincessErinys]

that goes for klick too

[HighPrincessErinys]

In general Klick has weird vibes and this one doesn't know why they keep talking about me slipping ActionDan as Kira as if they haven't already drawn the conclusion (somehow) long before then so as to be talking very specifically about ActionDan as Kira.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@cuddles : I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine.

VOTE: HIGH PRINCESS SCUMRINYS

We've been opposite alignments for 4 games in a row, don't see a reason it would change now.

Okay bye I'm going to play the marathon NewD3 now.

????

The first one totally sounds like something I would say, and I'm always town so maaaaaybe I could kinda see it being towny (but really that's probably just a personal quirk of mine). But I definitely disagree on the second, it feels somewhat pre-emptively defensive to need to announce that you're leaving to do something else.

It's possible Dan meant the ISO numbers?? Which for Cuddle would be 43 and 46 which like. Kinda, but not really, other than being cranky about RVS.

[HighPrincessErinys]

also this doesnt vibe with misha fe5 as much as it thought it would. maybe.............

[HighPrincessErinys]

@cuddles : I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine.

VOTE: HIGH PRINCESS SCUMRINYS

We've been opposite alignments for 4 games in a row, don't see a reason it would change now.

Okay bye I'm going to play the marathon NewD3 now.

????

The first one totally sounds like something I would say, and I'm always town so maaaaaybe I could kinda see it being towny (but really that's probably just a personal quirk of mine). But I definitely disagree on the second, it feels somewhat pre-emptively defensive to need to announce that you're leaving to do something else.

It's possible Dan meant the ISO numbers?? Which for Cuddle would be 43 and 46 which like. Kinda, but not really, other than being cranky about RVS.

Your posts have been all over the place. Here's a summary on your treatment on our slot that concerned me.

1. You voted us because it is futile effort on trying to understand me.

2. Thomith asked you why did you vote us before waiting for the other heads to post.

3. You said the hydra are a policy elim and you said we are destined to be a confusing clusterfuck.

4. You recently quoted a post of Action when he said our posts I'm assuming from page 1 - page 3 have been fine to him and you picked up 2 of my posts and me being cranky about rvs saying that you could see it coming from town but you voted us anyways.

Since you said you could kind of see my posting being town, then what was even the point of voting us in the first place? Was it because of clusterfuck from all of the heads?

- A

This is NOT Adorable talking to me, one way or another.
But moreover, yeah its mostly just a vote on prediction of your presence being a netneg due to dissonance and the associated chaos of 4 heads and yadda yadda yadda no better options yadda yadda yadda, you get it. NO clue what you're talking about with point 4, is the thing. Now that you've made me take a second look, "I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine." isn't so clear about what its trying to say, if those posts are scummy or not, but regardless of that me pointing out your ISO 7/8 as opposed to actual 7/8 does not have anything to do with "but you voted us anyways." considering how late to the game my thoughts on the post from AD are compared to voting AND unvoting you. So it's really confusing me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@cuddles : I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine.

VOTE: HIGH PRINCESS SCUMRINYS

We've been opposite alignments for 4 games in a row, don't see a reason it would change now.

Okay bye I'm going to play the marathon NewD3 now.

????

The first one totally sounds like something I would say, and I'm always town so maaaaaybe I could kinda see it being towny (but really that's probably just a personal quirk of mine). But I definitely disagree on the second, it feels somewhat pre-emptively defensive to need to announce that you're leaving to do something else.

It's possible Dan meant the ISO numbers?? Which for Cuddle would be 43 and 46 which like. Kinda, but not really, other than being cranky about RVS.

Your posts have been all over the place. Here's a summary on your treatment on our slot that concerned me.

1. You voted us because it is futile effort on trying to understand me.

2. Thomith asked you why did you vote us before waiting for the other heads to post.

3. You said the hydra are a policy elim and you said we are destined to be a confusing clusterfuck.

4. You recently quoted a post of Action when he said our posts I'm assuming from page 1 - page 3 have been fine to him and you picked up 2 of my posts and me being cranky about rvs saying that you could see it coming from town but you voted us anyways.

Since you said you could kind of see my posting being town, then what was even the point of voting us in the first place? Was it because of clusterfuck from all of the heads?

- A

This is NOT Adorable talking to me, one way or another.
But moreover, yeah its mostly just a vote on prediction of your presence being a netneg due to dissonance and the associated chaos of 4 heads and yadda yadda yadda no better options yadda yadda yadda, you get it. NO clue what you're talking about with point 4, is the thing. Now that you've made me take a second look, "I can't shake that your post 7 and 8 doesn't come from scum. Rest of your hydra's posting is fine." isn't so clear about what its trying to say, if those posts are scummy or not, but regardless of that me pointing out your ISO 7/8 as opposed to actual 7/8 does not have anything to do with "but you voted us anyways." considering how late to the game my thoughts on the post from AD are compared to voting AND unvoting you. So it's really confusing me.

The post of yours you quoted Action, why did you bring up my post 43, 46, and the post where I got cranky with rvs? The way how I interpreted that post you quoted from Action it looked like you said you could see it coming from town.

On this quote of yours just now where you talk about point 4, instead you talk about being confused.

- A

okay THIS is the weird confusing adorable this one is used to

This one quoted Aureal who quoted Dan who said something about your posts, 7 and 8, and offered the alternative interpretation of "iso number 7 and 8???" because the actual literal posts 7 and 8 make even less sense to point out especially when AD isn't clear if he thinks they're from scum or town. All of this is completely and utterly unrelated to my vote on you, and saying "idk why he thinks any of these posts are scummy" doesn't retroactively make it related. If that's even what you're trying to

say here.

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I think both feel really awkward here compared to what I'd expect from them as town but that's 100% vibes and 0% logic. I like vibes though

have we even played before

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I don't really see what you're seeing here. By play, Dan looks fine to me. My only real concern is the potential association you've made, in the event the game continues past your death.

This one isn't exactly a master of making reads, but to me its like... AD is setting up something, yeah, but is that something

scummy?

Positioning is used as a scumtell on everyone and their mother but like, beyond the debate of "is that actually even scummy" this one has to ask if that's even what AD is doing? The dichotomy of positioning/setting up vs I'm Actively Working Through A Read And Thinking It Through. idfk just my spitball take

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think both feel really awkward here compared to what I'd expect from them as town but that's 100% vibes and 0% logic. I like vibes though

have we even played before

Yes
But I've also watched games you've played before, enough to be familiar-ish with your playstyle

This one can't say it wholly trusts you on that considering someone it knows has seen and played with me me a lot (Gimli) seems to think its nervous when even as scum it just kinda goes with the flow. Wrongness abounds.

[HighPrincessErinys]

life would be so much easier if we had actual flips. 1000 curses on enchant for no-reveals

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HPE seems detached from the game and I'm ready to flip it (sorry for always flipping you though, HPE)

So like, this one wont deny it just kinda isn't feeling this one, but let me ask you, and especially everyone who was present last game, and who has seen several of my games: Do you think this one is actually going to just roll over and do basically nothing as

scum?

Literally ruminated on this last night and it is completely comical to think that this one would just detach and sit around twiddling its thumbs like this after rolling scum, especially with my currently perfect 3-game 3-win scum record. In its last game as town it was pretty damn active especially earlygame and if you think the opposite situation is in my scumrange: gettu real daze.

[HighPrincessErinys]

T-Bone is being replaced. Stand by.

oh. ok.

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one will Try and get itself a little more up to speed later today

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My thoughts on the red herring signaling thing are like... It's a delicate balance, it's SUPER delicate. Both the Assistant and Followers will want to signal who they are to the Detective and Kira respectively but when scum has to correctly signal to and identify each other to be cohesive, town is going to be on high alert for that, and likewise with Detective/Assistant and scum. This one would like to think it can do better to signal to Kira "hey im a follower!! yahoo!!" than latching onto Gimli, especially if Gimli were my Kira. The main benefit to Kira-Follower identification is both not wasting Kira's time with failed kills, and more importantly: Shinigami Eyes. Last time we condemned a Follower D1 and detective died and we had to scramble to find Kira but in the long haul of a full 5 days, Followers do NOT want to stick their necks out, because it means less chances of successful identification of the Detective, and less time to prove yourself to Kira. If Kira has both Followers figured out and one blurts out "Hey [Player]'s visible name is fake, it's [Name]" then that's gg unless we catch Kira the next day. This isn't actually very relevant to anything right now other than "we should probably look harder for non-surface level signaling" and guys PLEASE ME TRUST ME ITS NOT SIGNALING THIS ONE WAS JUST FUCKING AROUND WITH GIMLI

[HighPrincessErinys]

My thoughts on the red herring signaling thing are like... It's a delicate balance, it's SUPER delicate. Both the Assistant and Followers will want to signal who they are to the Detective and Kira respectively but when scum has to correctly signal to and identify each other to be cohesive, town is going to be on high alert for that, and likewise with Detective/Assistant and scum. This one would like to think it can do better to signal to Kira "hey im a follower!! yahoo!!" than latching onto Gimli, especially if Gimli were my Kira. The main benefit to Kira-Follower identification is both not wasting Kira's time with failed kills, and more importantly: Shinigami Eyes. Last time we condemned a Follower D1 and detective died and we had to scramble to find Kira but in the long haul of a full 5 days, Followers do NOT want to stick their necks out, because it means less chances of successful identification of the Detective, and less time to prove yourself to Kira. If Kira has both Followers figured out and one blurts out "Hey [Player]'s visible name is fake, it's [Name]" then that's gg unless we catch Kira the next day. This isn't actually very relevant to anything right now other than "we should probably look harder for non-surface level signaling" and guys PLEASE ME TRUST ME ITS NOT SIGNALING THIS ONE WAS JUST FUCKING AROUND WITH GIMLI

and also to try and coalesce this unhinged ramble into something tangible: This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli, which is only useful if this one is town with him (not that it can know if it IS town

with

him) as Kira has no need to put it on someone else and Followers have no need to put it on Kira as they probably aren't getting killed in like 2 days. Similarly, Followers wouldn't put it on themselves as they have fake names, same with Detective. This is really more NAI than anything but unless you think this one big brained enough to think about this pre-game then its also simultaneously moreso towny.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hi Kira, I am your loyal follower. Please do not kill me at night. Thank you.

According to HPE I cannot be a follower as I would not want to stick my neck out.

See how weird that is?

Be pedantic (okay no, maybe not the right word. maliciously compliant?) about it all you want but that just seems like the play to make as town too, tbh. Hit Kira with the delicious WIFOM of "are they just actually fucking saying it out loud?? should i believe them?? What Are They Cooking???????". Followers can only be killed by Kira if assassinated or one erroneously says the name of the other thinking they're Detective. Trolling Kira by proclaiming you're a Follower and that Kira shouldn't waste time writing your name down is both funny and again, probably a valid strategy if done right. Of course its not foolproof because if you're not actively going "look how stupid saying that is thats so dumb ugh" and trying to rebuke me for reasons unknown then you're probably going to raise some eyebrows from town.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This game has so much information packed into 17 pages it's making my head spin. Sorry, I don't have time to detangle it right now.

However, it wouldn't hurt to give an ordered list based on feels.

From town to scum: Cuddle, Klick, Erinys, Gimli, Aureal, Tao, Dan, Rat, Drew.

This seems contradicting. So much information that you don't have time to go through it, yet you're able to give a reads list in order.

I actually do enjoy that I am being scum read that much

FWIW this one didn't manage a proper catchup/refreshening but it did look at your ISO and think you were town

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Hi Kira, I am your loyal follower. Please do not kill me at night. Thank you.

According to HPE I cannot be a follower as I would not want to stick my neck out.

See how weird that is?

Be pedantic (okay no, maybe not the right word. maliciously compliant?) about it all you want but that just seems like the play to make as town too, tbh. Hit Kira with the delicious WIFOM of "are they just actually fucking saying it out loud?? should i believe them?? What Are They Cooking???????". Followers can only be killed by Kira if assassinated or one erroneously says the name of the other thinking they're Detective. Trolling Kira by proclaiming you're a Follower and that Kira shouldn't waste time writing your name down is both funny and again, probably a valid strategy if done right. Of course its not foolproof because if you're not actively going "look how stupid saying that is thats so dumb ugh" and trying to rebuke me for reasons unknown then you're probably going to raise some eyebrows from town.

In other words: Hu Tao thinks too small and therefore cannot be Kira.

[HighPrincessErinys]

In other words: Hu Tao thinks too small and therefore cannot be Kira.

dont actually take this seriously btw this ones seen HT bring two scum games back from the brink basically solo and it wasnt lying in normal 2322 when it said it cant read her

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My thoughts on the red herring signaling thing are like... It's a delicate balance, it's SUPER delicate. Both the Assistant and Followers will want to signal who they are to the Detective and Kira respectively but when scum has to correctly signal to and identify each other to be cohesive, town is going to be on high alert for that, and likewise with Detective/Assistant and scum. This one would like to think it can do better to signal to Kira "hey im a follower!! yahoo!!" than latching onto Gimli, especially if Gimli were my Kira. The main benefit to Kira-Follower identification is both not wasting Kira's time with failed kills, and more importantly: Shinigami Eyes. Last time we condemned a Follower D1 and detective died and we had to scramble to find Kira but in the long haul of a full 5 days, Followers do NOT want to stick their necks out, because it means less chances of successful identification of the Detective, and less time to prove yourself to Kira. If Kira has both Followers figured out and one blurts out "Hey [Player]'s visible name is fake, it's [Name]" then that's gg unless we catch Kira the next day. This isn't actually very relevant to anything right now other than "we should probably look harder for non-surface level signaling" and guys PLEASE ME TRUST ME ITS NOT SIGNALING THIS ONE WAS JUST FUCKING AROUND WITH GIMLI

and also to try and coalesce this unhinged ramble into something tangible: This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli, which is only useful if this one is town with him (not that it can know if it IS town

with

him) as Kira has no need to put it on someone else and Followers have no need to put it on Kira as they probably aren't getting killed in like 2 days. Similarly, Followers wouldn't put it on themselves as they have fake names, same with Detective. This is really more NAI than anything but unless you think this one big brained enough to think about this pre-game then its also simultaneously moreso towny.

okay

can you explain why incognito would be useful if you're town with me? granted I haven't read the setup yet

Incognito obscures your visible name until the start of D2. It's basically a Doc unless Kira wastes Assassinate on you.

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Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

They only would have did this if they were similarly not paying attention, but it seems like no one... really... was. Enchant you really needed to put the skills in the setup.

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Okay I read it. Why announce that? Scum would likely have tried to find out his name but now won't caus they know it reveals day 2

Are we really just all playing clueless about incognito? First Gimli pushing HPE for giving him incognito and now... whatever this is? If you literally just read up on what it is you should know it's obvious that Gimli had incognito since game start and therefore his name will be revealed day 2. What other way of obscuring his name would exist?

Wouldn't say Gimli pushed me for giving him Incog, he had no way of knowing it was me, but frfrfrfrfr

[HighPrincessErinys]

I mean, I was paying attention, having read the setup I knew Gimli'd been Incognito'd, my point is more why would you have claimed responsibility unprompted like this?

This one has incognito, and put it on Gimli, which is only useful if this one is

town with him

(not that it can know if it IS town with him) as Kira has no need to put it on someone else and Followers have no need to put it on Kira as they probably aren't getting killed in like 2 days. Similarly, Followers wouldn't put it on themselves as they have fake names, same with Detective. This is really more NAI than anything but unless you think this one big brained enough to think about this pre-game then its also simultaneously

moreso towny

.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Not exactly decisive proof of evidence but you cannot deny that there was intent to buddy up with Gimli and this isn't some bullshit Follower rebound of "well i was always trying to help out gimli!!! i promise!!! its not my fault this came completely out of left field!!!"

[HighPrincessErinys]

and also who cares about claiming incognito it stops being useful in a day

[HighPrincessErinys]

and also who cares about claiming incognito it stops being useful in a day

The same reason you shouldn't claim as VT in a normal game.

No.

[HighPrincessErinys]

These are literally worlds apart. Incognito, technically, does not say anything about my role. Fucking Kira rolled "I Am Not Kira!" last game. Skill claims are alot different from role claims my guy.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Some skills are better than others, that's true, but remember that:

• We only get 10 skills total.
  
• Kira knows which ones aren't in play, which means he knows which ARE.
  
• 3 of those 10 will be on the scumteam.
  
• And only a handful are
  particularly
  useful, but there's good odds we're missing several by way of being the outlier 5, or on scum.

So if you think "Well gee Erinys, now you've really done it! We could lose a useful skill by Kira targeting people other than you!", then you should consider how unlikely it is that of the 6 most useful skills (Access To Files, Clingy, Go To Jail, Autopsy (highly debatable), Check and Calling For Time (also debatable)), town realistically only has access to like... 3? And both Autopsy and Calling For Time can be used against town. Same with Clingy, actually.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Skills are alot more volatile and alot less reliable than you think. And also the obvious: If we just make me conftown and this one pops off and etc etc then Kira is forced to acknowledge me and get me killed as opposed to someone else. Smiles so sweetly and innocently.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I can't remember if I've said this or not but I've gone off HPE!scum a bit

You unvoted this one, so seemed clear enough to it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Anyway this one is gonna shower now and then probably like, game or whatever for a while. Toodles~

[HighPrincessErinys]

what is it about the current situation that motivated you to claim now?

A continuation of the giant mechanical spitball rant? Also my first time getting hit with LAMIST, how exciting!

[HighPrincessErinys]

So if I'm understanding this right, hpe used the incognito skill on gimli and his flavor name will show on day 2 and does both gimli and hpe need to be alive for the name to show up on day 2?

Shouldn't need us alive, no.

Funnily, me and my hydra partners have talked about our suspicion on both of those players in the hydra chat.

- A

also ratio

[HighPrincessErinys]

Or maybe I'm actually a follower or Kira. Who knows. What do you think, Aureal?

Can we be follower besties together............?

[HighPrincessErinys]

damn, this one got pocketed while trying to pocket? it kneels to the true pocketeer

[HighPrincessErinys]

who do you think is kira, HPE?

ffffff this one really wishes it actually had a solid answer to this question especially when its trying to atleast die being a pain in the ass for scum. this one would probably be fine voting AD but it needs to look at klick too. hu tao also on my list as always

[HighPrincessErinys]

Can we vote ActionDan today
Or like maybe Drew but I feel like the appetite for that is lower but that's also kind of why I want it

okay I sheep

VOTE: actiondan

VOTE: ActionDan

[HighPrincessErinys]

Who is Kay?

Kay... K... Kira...
HMMMM

[HighPrincessErinys]

chat this one thinks he mixed up games

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also why can't I just be mimicking that? Or be the same as scum and town?

What are you even trying to say here? This barely has anything to do with AD's post.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, this one's said that Klick has some weird vibes before but it thinks overall he's got a town mindset.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one can go either AD or HT today, since we're approaching deadline.

[HighPrincessErinys]

what just happened

[HighPrincessErinys]

bruh

[HighPrincessErinys]

How in gods name is everyone just letting AD get away with "well I'm Assistant... OR detective! Feel free to CC me :)"?? It's

painfully

obvious he's just trying to fish a claim from the actual Assistant/Detective. Last time Vanderscamp similarly claimed Assistant and was thankfully eradicated by the Detective, but that's the core of it: Lure out Det/Assistant. VS was eradicated by Det's Condemn and then Det was summarily killed by Kira and we had to solve the game in one day.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This is god's MOST obvious scum!claim if he's putting a CYOA in his fucking claim

[HighPrincessErinys]

We could also just kill the obvious scum.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you actually think, especially now that we've discussed it, that that's going to happen? That AD is a dumb enough follower to just claim det or assistant knowing full well he might be killed by Kira? AD has probably already established to Kira that he's a follower if he's fakeclaiming, which again, he probably is.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Kira has to use Assassinate, which is a one time use, and the only way of killing Detective without any outside help from Condemn/Shinigami Eyes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you think a Follower would just completely gunk up Kira's kit like that? Make him waste a night killing a follower in the first place, Assassinate or no?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Unless Kira can't kill followers. Then that changes things. But I think they can

Kira can't kill followers.

Did you read the setup?

- Dragon

I only looked at what was relevant to me. I'm not Kira so I don't need to know that.

bruh

[HighPrincessErinys]

Okay I just read. So basically followers are also given fake names. But if Kira finds the real name they can still kill them. Am I correct?

Yes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

bianco jumpscare

[HighPrincessErinys]

There is sadly no proper recourse here but getting an Assistant CC because there is probably unfortunately a non-zero chance AD is trueclaiming even if he's suspicious as fuck.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hey Dragon, feel free to pursue Aureal, but you can't avoid forever coming up with a better reason to have a town read on Klick. It's obvious you're capable. So again, why?

It's almost midnight (AGAIN, because I am absolutely horrible at time management), so I'm gonna give a very quick answer and elaborate more tomorrow evening (which would be like 24 hours to deadline btw):

I liked Klick's entrance. His vote on HPE felt like a genuine mindmeld with me and Gimli and you, all of which I was townreading at the time. His irrelevant comment about hydra dissonance may have sounded awkward to you and Gimli, and rightly so, but I find early awkwardness to be a towntell for Klick.

Also in general I have liked a lot of his thinking, including his TR of T-Bone, his reaction to my gambit scumread on him, his TR of Gimli and his general approach to finding Kira. I feel they are very in line with how I'd expect town!Klick to think, both on a meta level and on a "those are the correct reads a townperson in this game should have" level.

- Dragon

You said he was exposed to you voting him for reactions in another game so I wouldn't put much stock into a reaction test in which he had foresight. I agree that his thinking on you and T-bone and ofc the HPE vote were perfectly reasonable and fine. But not on Gimli and not on me. They are simply not reasonable reads that Klick, being an intelligent mafia player, would have. I've gone over why that is in my previous posts. I don't know if you want a refresher.

---

Considering that deadline is approaching and I do have 4 votes, I feel compelled to claim that I am either Assistant or Detective. If I am not, a theoretical Assistant can CC me.

btw this one is pretty sure AD only had 3 votes on him by this point

Vote Count

Official Vote Count 1.06

Execution

With

10

votes in play, it takes

6

to execute someone.

Klick

(2): Radical Rat, Doctor Drew

Gimli

(2): CUDDLE TIME, Aureal

ActionDan

(2): Gimli, HighPrincessErinys

Aureal

(1): Hu Tao

HighPrincessErinys

(1): ActionDan

Not Voting

(2): Little Will o' Wisp, Klick

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-02-27 17:44:05).

Grace Period: No one can be hammered for (expired on 2024-02-18 17:44:05)

Mod notes: c

If I have to choose one of the current wagons (which I have), it would be ActionDan.

VOTE: ActionDan

[HighPrincessErinys]

Kind of a wacky moment there if you ask me !

[HighPrincessErinys]

idk. maybe this one is wrong, but it just feels like AD and the circumstances around his claim are sus as fuck

[HighPrincessErinys]

no flips is going to make this a bitch either way and we just have to hope that we were right

[HighPrincessErinys]

bianco jumpscare

Am I allowed to TR this post?

(more seriously, I am actually TRing a lot of HPE's posts last page. Which is atrocious because it means I might be scum and just don't know it)

- Dragon

Pedit: but why?

Err. I've seen HPE act upset as town and scum. So I really just find it NAI personally

also how was saying "bianco jumpscare" me being upset

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hey HPE you gonna CC me? No? Kindly go back to simmering as obvscum

Don't throw stones from glass houses prick

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm not discussing crumbs cuddle

This is a normal thing to say as Assistant. Sorry, Assistant OR Detective.

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE, what do you think a genuine Assistant/Detective should do in this situation?

Dan certainly shouldn't be telling us which one he is, because then Kira knows how to kill. And while I do share your concern with potentially a gambit to bait a CC, I think we just go with it for now, and Assistant should NOT actually CC yet. If Dan is a follower, Kira can't be certain enough to risk NOT killing imo. If Dan IS Kira he'll obviously live, and real detective can CC after checking for secrets tonight.

So, what would you have him do, if the claim is real?

If the claim is real he should maybe curb the things that got him to a

theoretical

E-2. And maybe stop being insufferably smug all of a sudden.

Though seeing as he just thinks me, Gimli and Klick are all scum, this one thinks he's just going to keep doing what he's doing. Yippee !

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE What should I curb? Is it thinking you gimli and klick are scum? Because if so you have yet to comment or address any part of that. I have been rather specific as to my reasoning and my posting history is very compact so this shouldn't be a heavy lift.

Your entire case against me is propped up on my lashing at the hydra

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one would expect you to be able to think outside of the box and realize that me/Gimli/Klick are

most likely

not all aligned together especially considering the circumstances of the scumteam and the fact that both Gimli and Klick wanted to flip me at first. Unless you wanna say we somehow found an understanding and that scum has unionized and is out to get you?

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Hu Tao
it'll do

[HighPrincessErinys]

Aureal leading the wagon on me because they know I'm the only one that sees them for the scum they are this game. I'm also sus on HPE because of that whole trying to get rid of Dan yesterday when Kira will have to do it regardless of alignment of Dan

This is still WAY too optimistic of a way to deal with scum!AD

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'll check in later to vote

Why?? What is the point of delaying with mere hours left?

brain hurty

felt

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm down to try something new but we'd likely need specifically ActionDan's explicit approval to make something like that happen and also have it land on Kira

ActionDan is currently voting Gimli so if you're convinced Gimli is town you can basically make that argument for every push ever and Hu Tao is very clearly a compromise lim that I do think scum is fine with and would be very surprised if it ands on Kira

Additionally, experience proves flashwagons are better than not and giving up because "what would a flashwagon achieve" sucks. For example in Open 902: Frienemies Blitz there were like a bunch of people who expressed willingness to flashwagon Black (who was scum) and then didn't because deadline and ended up on town instead.

Also you can always go back to voting Hu Tao or Gimli if there are not enough votes but you should at least TRY.

- Dragon

The difference between this and Open 902 and who the hell is willing to flash Willow in the first place?

[HighPrincessErinys]

There is like zero pre-existing appetite for a Willow wagon let alone a close-to-deadline Willow flashwagon.

[HighPrincessErinys]

gah damn

[HighPrincessErinys]

uhgghhh FINE if we're an hour and a half away from deadline and noone wants HT

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Little Will o' Wisp

[HighPrincessErinys]

Not approved.

You get Gimli. You get Hu (already annoyed at this) . You don't get will who was T bone who was town

We could flash HPE who is scum

thank you for cursing us 1 hour to deadline dan

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Not voting Klick or Gimli. Let them cook.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I still think cuddle time is pretty townie and D1 end of day isn't something that happens with how annoyed dragon was, if dragon was kira or a follower. I take these emotions to just point to town, and am happy to clear the slot for now. the other slots I have no idea

Yeah hydra is probably town here.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think I hard disagree

Regardless, if we have no evidence to the contrary, I'm heavily inclined to just assume that ActionDan was really the Assistant
There's not actually a ton of reason for a Follower to claim like that

If Dan was a follower, the only thing that makes sense is trying to bait Assistant (or, unlikely, Detective) or use the claim as a cudgel (see: the fact he was only at e-3 when claiming)

[HighPrincessErinys]

Note: I'd be willing to go for HPE today so that we have a small chance to maybe hit Kira anyway and also less scum votes tomorrow (2/6 votes instead of 3/8), but currently I want Gimli. This setup is actually scumsided though, alignment ratio wise.

chat does he know im town

[HighPrincessErinys]

Official Vote Count 2.01

The instrument to write with can be anything, e.g. cosmetics, blood, etc. as long as it can write directly onto the note and remains as legible letters.

Execution

With

8

votes in play, it takes

5

to execute someone.

Gimli

(1): CUDDLE TIME

Klick

(1): Radical Rat

Not Voting

(6): Little Will o' Wisp, HighPrincessErinys, Aureal, Gimli, Klick, Freedom

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-07 19:09:15).

Grace Period: No one can be hammered for (expired on 2024-03-01 19:09:15)

Mod Notes: Even i won't know if invisible ink will work.

did misa ever kill someone by writing in her death note with like eyeliner or lipstick, this one wonders

[HighPrincessErinys]

HPE, what do you think of radical rat?

Probably need to devote some real time to reading and analyzing but my surface-level comments would be that they seem... confrontational? They've had a few conversations with others with an argument directly counter to the other's argument. It feels kinda towny from skimming, and that along with them never voting for AD who we can at this point verify as Assistant kinda makes me think they're town?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Most interested in Freedom rn, as far as votes might go.

[HighPrincessErinys]

8919 posts

[HighPrincessErinys]

its funny to me that rr just kinda lowkey claims lunar!scum at a few points but otherwise idk if this game really says anything about what rr's doing here today, multiball or not

[HighPrincessErinys]

maybe it needs to read more

[HighPrincessErinys]

Most interested in Freedom rn, as far as votes might go.

Why is that?

Just feel like he hasn't been doing much? Alot of surface-level reads like "i think X is town" and whatnot. This one was townreading Drew before he got replaced but Freedom doesn't seem to have the same town vibe let alone the proactivity.

[HighPrincessErinys]

ig this one is a little more split on Freedom than it thought because these could be player issues and not alignment issues but... idk

[HighPrincessErinys]

I don't think Drew was that towny

Shrug! Hard to deny the polar opposites in effort-per-post between Drew and Freedom, either way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Ok I told my hydra pals but I have designated some time on Sunday to read this game and solve it

Kira better watch the fuck out

-Black

throw the playerlist in random.org and believe it enough to make it real

No. You and I are gonna solve this thing just like the first one

-Black

well if its just like the first one then we just have to kill dragon !

[HighPrincessErinys]

wait a minute

[HighPrincessErinys]

Wouldn't it be SO funny if Aureal finally rolled scum after who knows how long of being town

[HighPrincessErinys]

6:2 would be nice indeed

[HighPrincessErinys]

I read through Hu Tao's iso and the players that look like who are not Kira are Willow and Aureal.

Freedom, Gimli, HPE, Klick - These 4 are the list of players Hu Tao did not interact much with and I'm leaning on Kira being in one of these 4.

I still don't understand the town reads Klick has on Gimli and HPE. Dragon has been suspecting both of Gimli and HPE at the start of the day.

- A

this one was pretty fine with killing ht for a good portion of the day ?

[HighPrincessErinys]

do you think if we run this setup a third time that detective will condemn on day 3

[HighPrincessErinys]

not a person

[HighPrincessErinys]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this'll be a fun one

[HighPrincessErinys]

gob.................................................................. you did not just reply pm to everyone................................

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you even know what that DOES to someone?!?!

[HighPrincessErinys]

this was the best this one had without straight up getting the image itself

[HighPrincessErinys]

oh my god bruh this ones getting FRAMED

[HighPrincessErinys]

so once we catch kira its over and we win?

I actully think i can hit that here today. And also prove it to (some of) you.

oh my god bruh this ones getting FRAMED

who??

so much for that

[HighPrincessErinys]

freedom and gob have been both very lackadaisical and this one doesn't super recall anyone super caring about or defending the slot so we can pppppppppppppppppppprobably remove gob from the kira pool? genuinely seems like he doesn't know what the fuck is going on which would probably not be the case if he repped into scumslot

[HighPrincessErinys]

could it actually just be std again? god that would be funny. But moreover its weird to me that Gimli excluded the hydra entirely without really talking about it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

im never voting klick this game, btw

not with the two of you playing like absolute potatoes

this is literally not the time to be set in your ways when we know the assistant and detective are dead

[HighPrincessErinys]

im never voting klick this game, btw

not with the two of you playing like absolute potatoes

You are probably scum with Klick based on this post. Im guessing Klick is Kira.

Thank you for this

on the other hand now is not the time to be an idiot

[HighPrincessErinys]

we KNOW aureal is the last follower here. gimli could be scum, but not with klick. same with vice versa

[HighPrincessErinys]

im going to have a conniption

[HighPrincessErinys]

im going to have a conniption

ok I almost shouted at you (as in I almost used caps lock)

cuddle is clear because aureal visited it, as a follower it has no reason to visit their kira

this one forgor

[HighPrincessErinys]

the facts of the case then: gob is useless, aureal is follower, cuddle is clear. it is most likely between me, gimli and klick but if gob is playing dumb as kira hes doing a good job at it

[HighPrincessErinys]

Are you really just going to let the pesky scum get away?

This one will not be responsible for it's actions if you keep this up.

[HighPrincessErinys]

yes

[HighPrincessErinys]

god if only drew were here to be a slot worth thinking about for more than a few seconds

[HighPrincessErinys]

Maybe you should go listen to some good music and consider my argument

https://files.catbox.moe/0bhb4s.mp4

[HighPrincessErinys]

Black always has it out for me for no reason

Is Cuddle Time clear HPE?

oh my fucking god

[HighPrincessErinys]

Ngl it would be really funny if Kira randomly rolled that skill

-Black

chat does she know

i am not kira

It's confirmed that Save The Dragons has skill "I am not Kira!".

[HighPrincessErinys]

@HPE who do you think Kira is?

-Black

this one has NO fucking clue
if it wasn't elo it'd just say to kill gob and see what happens.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@HPE who do you think Kira is?

-Black

this one has NO fucking clue
if it wasn't elo it'd just say to kill gob and see what happens.

thought u were on my side. What changed

absolutely not. did you miss me calling you useless and an idiot?

[HighPrincessErinys]

hastily going for "yep, its gob, kill this guy" is how you lose the game

[HighPrincessErinys]

[HighPrincessErinys]

No one can be hammered for 0 days, 5 hours, 17 minutes

oh ok fuck me

[HighPrincessErinys]

no wait

[HighPrincessErinys]

thats not deadline

[HighPrincessErinys]

[HighPrincessErinys]

hastily going for "yep, its gob, kill this guy" is how you lose the game

This implies you care about winning but you don't really seem to be showing any interest in figuring out who Kira is. I'm not really seeing any sense of urgency from you or desire to put this puzzle together here at the end

Maybe not urgency but this one isn't sure how you can deny it isn't atleast TRYING to do something here, if not very committal about it. This one doesn't like how people are just gravitating towards gob for being useless and unaware because, yeah, it's super sus, but there's probably gonna be more to finding Kira here than surface level "this slot isn't trying, kill it" reads.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one needs to ISO Drew alongside HT/RR/Aureal sometime because it thinks whatever Drew was cooking for his brief period of existence is probably what's going to give us the most substance on gob slot other than gob and Freedom barely contributing anything.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: gob
looked at drew and aureal's ISOs in relation to eachother's slots (including aureal about freedom) and yeah ig this probably is just the play

[HighPrincessErinys]

NEVER letting gob live this down if hes just confused town who lost us the game by not knowing where the fuck he is lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm anxious about HPE's progression from 'flipping gob ends the day' to voting it lol

I meant from 'flipping gob is how we lose the game'

I just woke up sorry

Aureal and Drew have a lot of very positive or soft-defending posts about the other. Aureal in particular seems to try and keep things lowkey early on, but still establishes a connection with Drew where he calls her obvtown like fucking constantly, and she eventually kicks into gear on being a defender and yes-woman for Drew/Freedom.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm anxious about HPE's progression from 'flipping gob ends the day' to voting it lol

I meant from 'flipping gob is how we lose the game'

I just woke up sorry

Aureal and Drew have a lot of very positive or soft-defending posts about the other. Aureal in particular seems to try and keep things lowkey early on, but still establishes a connection with Drew where he calls her obvtown like fucking constantly, and she eventually kicks into gear on being a defender and yes-woman for Drew/Freedom.

Maybe ur kira

throws a brick at you

[HighPrincessErinys]

oh hey pushing gob makes gob want to live

[HighPrincessErinys]

so much for "today is a good day to die" mr kira

[HighPrincessErinys]

wait dudes the game ends after today since the detective is dead, right?

So seriously do not lim me lol

we've literally been over this already and everyone still wants to kill you

[HighPrincessErinys]

give us reason to believe you're not kira if you want to live so badly

[HighPrincessErinys]

Tbh the only other person i am sussin is cuddle time. Because that slot seems to be doing the least solving to me honestly.

the odds of them being kira are so low as to be essentially nil

[HighPrincessErinys]

please stop trying to push the idea of kira cuddle it is NOT happening lmao

[HighPrincessErinys]

yea really love getting ignored when its super obvious im not scum

boohoo

[HighPrincessErinys]

blaming gob for being a complete dork thank you and good night