Micro Normal 1100 | Game Over

[JacksonVirgo]

Having different reads isn't at all weird, if everybody has to have the same reads as everybody else a game of mafia would not work. We're different people, people read differently. I didn't read Gob's posts all that much, I don't like reading my pred's stuff I consider it useless.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

[Malachai]

I dunno, maybe this is a problematic and maybe even illegal line of questioning. I bring it up because it makes me feel kinda bad about your slot, and without an explanation, it remains a black mark on your slot.

[Doctor Drew]

I had it written out as an EBWOP, but I'm not going to answer that yet but I'll explain around that. That feels weird that you're asking me instead of asking him to explain himself. The train of thought I'm following is of course loose, I'm not in his head but I don't see the "jumping to conclusions" which I believe you're scum-reading that part of his posts to be all that scummy at all. Drew was behaving incredibly loose towards Roland, his posts were directly showcasing that much. He said as much in his post that he wanted to just see what happens, test the waters. Which coincides with his previously loose posting. Can you not see progression there?

Roland: *makes behaviour that Drew deems easy to fake*
Drew: *goes further into that particular read, checking if it's fake*
Roland: *responds in a way that didn't quench drew's taste of blood quite enough*
Drew: "Your response to my question made me feel good to throw a vote out to see what happens."

It's always been loose, it's always been casual engagement to verify a read that Drew had.

This is pretty much what was going through my head, though I wasn't looking for blood lol

Pre Edit: And where is the scum motivation for me to push on someone who is widely town read?

Also, Malachi, you said something earlier that I was town reading Roland, I never said I was, I just thought his frustrations seemed genuine and wanted to see how he reacted to naked votes/pressure since scum or town usually will expose themselves this way, imo

[Malachai]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

What do you mean by this? My predecessor judged you for things Gob did too?

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo appears to be quite pissed off that someone is telling him he doesn't have a grasp on the game. He's being a bit sensitive and he was with this also:

Quoting exactly you dismissing my actual argument against that logic

[KayJayQueue]

I had it written out as an EBWOP, but I'm not going to answer that yet but I'll explain around that. That feels weird that you're asking me instead of asking him to explain himself. The train of thought I'm following is of course loose, I'm not in his head but I don't see the "jumping to conclusions" which I believe you're scum-reading that part of his posts to be all that scummy at all. Drew was behaving incredibly loose towards Roland, his posts were directly showcasing that much. He said as much in his post that he wanted to just see what happens, test the waters. Which coincides with his previously loose posting. Can you not see progression there?

Roland: *makes behaviour that Drew deems easy to fake*
Drew: *goes further into that particular read, checking if it's fake*
Roland: *responds in a way that didn't quench drew's taste of blood quite enough*
Drew: "Your response to my question made me feel good to throw a vote out to see what happens."

It's always been loose, it's always been casual engagement to verify a read that Drew had.

This is pretty much what was going through my head, though I wasn't looking for blood lol

Pre Edit: And where is the scum motivation for me to push on someone who is widely town read?

Also, Malachi, you said something earlier that I was town reading Roland, I never said I was, I just thought his frustrations seemed genuine and wanted to see how he reacted to naked votes/pressure since scum or town usually will expose themselves this way, imo

I remember this being a big issue earlier, I think the problem was that Roland interpreted Drew as town reading him. Not that he officially did.

[JacksonVirgo]

Roland as dismissing my skill at the game, and you're scum-reading Gob's behaviour simply for having seperate reads from you. That's the extent that I understand both your current read on Gob and Roland's behaviour saying I had no grasp on the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

That's not a good road to go down

[JacksonVirgo]

though I wasn't looking for blood lol

I added my own creative liberties

[Malachai]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.

I'm not asking you to explain your preds actions, I'm saying

your logic

is based in the assumption that different = scummy.

[Malachai]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.

I'm not asking you to explain your preds actions, I'm saying

your logic

is based in the assumption that different = scummy.

Well it's not just the read itself. Indeed if I scum read anyone with different reads from me, I'd probably scum read 100% of everyone I ever play with, right?

I do think there's something to a read that doesn't jive with ANYONE, though, and which seems REALLY off from my best efforts to characterize people. Both of these things are true of Gob's read there. I do indeed look at a unique read that nobody else shares, that seems to fly in the face of my own understanding of the game, with suspicion. And I should bring up a third and equally important factor: how well-defended it is. Because for sure someone can come out of nowhere with a totally new read, totally different from everyone else, but if they offer a good case for it, I'm a lot more likely to take that read as a serious, sincere read. Gob, as far as I can understand, didn't even try to prove that case.

So it does go a lot further beyond "you're just scum-reading the guy for having a different read".

[Malachai]

But at the same time I realize I won't get anywhere with asking you to explain what your predecessor did so I think I'm going to have to table this one on my end.

[Malachai]

As for Drew stuff, I still haven't heard a good explanation for what I mentioned in the middle of post 1040 or what I brought up in post 1068.

Whoever wants to try and explain it is free to do so...

[JacksonVirgo]

This is the same type of faulty logic I was calling Roland out for, and now you're doing it too

If you don't like talking about your predecessor, I don't see why I should need to answer for it either.

I'm not asking you to explain your preds actions, I'm saying

your logic

is based in the assumption that different = scummy.

Well it's not just the read itself. Indeed if I scum read anyone with different reads from me, I'd probably scum read 100% of everyone I ever play with, right?

I do think there's something to a read that doesn't jive with ANYONE, though, and which seems REALLY off from my best efforts to characterize people. Both of these things are true of Gob's read there. I do indeed look at a unique read that nobody else shares, that seems to fly in the face of my own understanding of the game, with suspicion. And I should bring up a third and equally important factor: how well-defended it is. Because for sure someone can come out of nowhere with a totally new read, totally different from everyone else, but if they offer a good case for it, I'm a lot more likely to take that read as a serious, sincere read. Gob, as far as I can understand, didn't even try to prove that case.

So it does go a lot further beyond "you're just scum-reading the guy for having a different read".

I replaced in on page 14, I just looked back and Gob's scum-read of Freezer seemed to peak at around page 10. Do you seriously think Town would all unanimously agree on any read in that small amount of time outside of extreme circumstances? Do you think that every player must feel the need to try and push and prove their point to the best of their ability? In general AND at that point in the game? You've made this argument twice, and I feel you're running with a few assumptions I don't think you should be running with.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're either pushing an agenda, or expecting too much from people

[Malachai]

Alright. I'm satisfied with JacksonVirgo and moving him out of scum territory for now.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright. I'm satisfied with JacksonVirgo and moving him out of scum territory for now.

We love to see it, but can you explain this shift?

[Malachai]

You made a valid argument on why I should probably drop the whole Gob thing.

You're also tackling my questions pretty directly, not avoiding them and equivocating, which is townie behavior.

[JacksonVirgo]

You made a valid argument on why I should probably drop the whole Gob thing.

You're also tackling my questions pretty directly, not avoiding them and equivocating, which is townie behavior.

For the first part, I hope you're also aware that wolves can make valid arguments. I'll take it though haha

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m still on my phone and unfortunately probably will for today, but I’ve been considering all day if I want to townread snow for that 3-scum thing

[GuyInFreezer]

Rolandslot, Jackson, Kay, and Solon townread is never ever changing for me so

[JacksonVirgo]

GIF didn't town-read themselves, confirmed scum!!

[JacksonVirgo]

(also are you a she, he, neither? your name and title is confusing me)