Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Hu Tao]

think calling it a masterclass overrates the town's abilities exhibited this game
if we lose this eminently winnable game it's because we're bad

I just think Kay is townie and have so since day 1. I think I'd be shocked if she were scum. We are covered for everyone else regardless of scenario. You yourself said you Town read her. I'm not sure what abilities you mean

[Hu Tao]

there's really no way i don't aim at hutao tonight, particularly if we end now

Just do it then. If you want to play suboptimal I cannot stop you.

imo it's you playing suboptimally -- and dropping a lot of underbaked takes at a pivotal point in the game

I disagree. But we can agree to disagree. I'm not sure how voting the person everyone scumreads and wanting to vig the one slot that isn't covered for anything is suboptimal

[Psyche]

intellectually lazy and rushing everything
trajectory is hardly any better than RN's D1

[Hu Tao]

Psyche when you were scum last game. What did I do? I voted right after I had my read the last day. I just don't like stalling in general when I've already made up my mind

[Hu Tao]

intellectually lazy and rushing everything
trajectory is hardly any better than RN's D1

How is it lazy when I came up with the whole plan and let everyone agree to it?

[Psyche]

even if kay is townie,

this

town can still end up making the wrong call and limming her anyway
you and i agreeing isn't enough to lock in the win

[Psyche]

what plan?

your

plan was flawed. kay the newbie player had to correct it. and it didn't even hedge for gera flipping town after that.

[Psyche]

Psyche when you were scum last game. What did I do? I voted right after I had my read the last day. I just don't like stalling in general when I've already made up my mind

if town had taken their time last game, i would have lost. my win con was the two masons locking in their decision

[Hu Tao]

Okay. What's your plan

[Hu Tao]

Psyche when you were scum last game. What did I do? I voted right after I had my read the last day. I just don't like stalling in general when I've already made up my mind

if town had taken their time last game, i would have lost. my win con was the two masons locking in their decision

Town literally did that's the funny part.

[Psyche]

another example is the repeated prediction that scum would NK you tonight
a little stewing and we now know for a fact that NKing you loses the game for scum

[Hu Tao]

Thanks for helping scum. I'm sure they appreciate it.

[Psyche]

Psyche when you were scum last game. What did I do? I voted right after I had my read the last day. I just don't like stalling in general when I've already made up my mind

if town had taken their time last game, i would have lost. my win con was the two masons locking in their decision

Town literally did :lol: that's the funny part.

day was ended substantially before deadline
town even had option to lim another confirmed scum slot and save the decision over my 1v1 for another day!
they declined -- in dramatic fashion in the end

but whatever. im certainly aware that long delays can get in the way of otherwise good reads too

[Psyche]

you're not even rigt about what your stance was that game;
you warned jv to unvote and avoid hasty decision-making many times that game.
you said anyone who voted immediately was "claimed scum"
you could see the danger in hasty decision-making when it was

someone else

locking in a decision too quickly
but i guess you're above it all

[Hu Tao]

I said once I made my read and voted

[Hu Tao]

Clearly I didn't say we should all vote today without a plan

[Psyche]

all this does make it easier to understand how the self-voting thing could have come from town i guessss

[Random Nurse]

We still have 5 days.

Summarize why I should be voting geraintm.

[Psyche]

ok. im overattached to the image of hutao as just a broadly skilled player (which may be true!) instead of picking up on her patterns.
created a situation where any mistake read as a potential scumtell.
will update reads. could always do the remaining vacillating tonight if it comes to it.

[Aristeia]

hu tao if you're town would it kill you to just let us talk it out for a few days instead of rushing this elimination through

you're already getting the gera elim you want

go play some video games or something if you don't want to talk anymore and you're set on your solve.

[Psyche]

not saying we need to go on forever
i definitely went overboard yesterday when i called for another night to think things through
my current thinking is that if there are

concrete

things beyond mere ambivalence that could be done to improve town or townie's understanding of the gamestate, we give it a chance to happen
gera's readlist imo has already been given a chance to happen

[Hu Tao]

Okay I will wait

[Aristeia]

I realize now that maybe I just care too much about getting this right and this gets in the way of the enjoyment of others to play the game how they want to play it and I'm sorry about that.

[Psyche]

i know the feeling
im going to try to think through a couple more scenarios and call it a wash

[Political Clout]

vote count 1.07

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Hu Tao [3]:

Aristeia, NotAScum, geraintm

Naerys [3]:

Hu Tao, KayJayQueue, Naerys

Klick [2]:

davesaz, Political Clout

geraintm [2]:

Dannflor, Klick

Psyche [1]:

Doctor Drew

not voting [2]:

Random Nurse

, Psyche

this is an interesting vote count after the hu tao wagon dies down not a scum joins then dann then gera joins then people leave the wagon and aristeia not a scum and gera are left on it.