Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[DragonEater70]

No it isn't. Your read was and is trash. Even if you consider yourself to be a Gimli whisperer without fallibility you should think others might question your read, rightfully so.

I actually agree that it's fine to question it, I wrote that mostly as a joke late at night.

[DragonEater70]

ActionDan probs town btw

[morph the cat]

We've been asked to clarify if elimination votes are counted during the Moonrise phase.

They are not. When Day starts, a votecount with all players not voting will be posted, and votes after that post will count.

I'm working on some cleanup to the rules and when finished will post a note letting players know to check the Game Specific Rules again.

[Prism]

Don't complain later that I am the one seeking to avoid fights

I think you realize I don't want to get bogged down debating tedium, but just in case, I want to be explicit that is the motivation. I can prove I've thought through your points already but it would make everyone's eyes glaze over and tune out, mine included.

I am not generally dismissive of the substance.

[Prism]

(I'm also not calling your counterpoints tedium: it's when I give counters to the counters that things spiral)

[Aureal]

ActionDan probs town btw

He's certainly giving off the same contemptuous vibes as last time, eh?

His 229 is bugging me though, I'm trying to parse what's going on with that Ydrasse read and it feels weird.

[DragonEater70]

I feel like I just got scolded by my math teacher for scoring an 80 over the expected 90 on my test. Ngh, time to go back to my corner and watch.

lol I get you. Prism feels very - domineering? arrogant? something of this sort - here. Don't think it has anything to do with her alignment though, it's just playstyle.

Anyway, @Prism: I think you are wrong to dismiss her point. I don't care what you think of my skill level, but I most likely wouldn't have posted 143 as scum unless I thought being extremely self-conscious would get me townread, which I don't think I would think in this game with this PL. And the fact that the post is self-conscious is if anything testimony to me being town, because I posted it DESPITE knowing it looked self-conscious in a scummy way.

[DragonEater70]

(I'm also not calling your counterpoints tedium: it's when I give counters to the counters that things spiral)

Acknowledged.

His 229 is bugging me though, I'm trying to parse what's going on with that Ydrasse read and it feels weird.

Uhhhhh I guess I can see why it's bugging you, but I think it's kind of a town moonlogic rather than a scum moonlogic? And I can see how a person who's scumreading me/Gimli/Kyoko would TR Ydra for it. But on second thought, actually that would presume that Ydra didn't post the "NO TOWNBLOCKS" as a joke. And I thought she did it as a joke. So maybe he's a bit reachy in his townread of her? Meh I'm just going to let AD post more, I think he's rather easy to sort.

[DragonEater70]

i don't think klick is wrong, though? fire informed me what plurality-elims were, and it really doesn't seem all that bad. if this dream is selected, which it probably won't, playing around the "detriments" (isn't a day extension a good thing????) isn't that hard to do.

I never really said he was wrong, the vote was for something else.

[DragonEater70]

I'm finding that I'm townreading the Catgirls for no particular reason.

[DragonEater70]

fireisred are you here to chat?

[Sunflower]

sort of im sleepy whats up

[DragonEater70]

Seems you were trying to sort me earlier and I don't feel like I understood what conclusion you arrived at, if any. So I'm curious.

Also you said you aren't townreading Prism. Do you have no read on Prism or are you scumreading her?

[Sunflower]

at the time i landed on a little south of null but im leaning more town after recent posts

i have some thoughts about prism but i don't think they're important right now

[DragonEater70]

Cool that makes sense

I think you are probably town (not for this post, mainy for Jupiter's posting tbh, but this post was more or less in line with what I expected from town you).

[Sunflower]

what is forming your expectations for town!me?

[DragonEater70]

Idk

[DragonEater70]

Intuition?

[Catgirl Chipotle]

You ate too many dragon burritos that’s what it is

[Aureal]

Anyway, @Prism: I think you are wrong to dismiss her point. I don't care what you think of my skill level, but I most likely wouldn't have posted 143 as scum unless I thought being extremely self-conscious would get me townread, which I don't think I would think in this game with this PL. And the fact that the post is self-conscious is if anything testimony to me being town, because I posted it DESPITE knowing it looked self-conscious in a scummy way.

I actually agree with this: I saw the dayvig comment and was baffled because 143 looked like a typical DE post to me, with a bit of extra brashness in declaring himself a townsperson that pinged me as something he'd more likely do as town.

[Aureal]

His 229 is bugging me though, I'm trying to parse what's going on with that Ydrasse read and it feels weird.

Uhhhhh I guess I can see why it's bugging you, but I think it's kind of a town moonlogic rather than a scum moonlogic? And I can see how a person who's scumreading me/Gimli/Kyoko would TR Ydra for it. But on second thought, actually that would presume that Ydra didn't post the "NO TOWNBLOCKS" as a joke. And I thought she did it as a joke. So maybe he's a bit reachy in his townread of her? Meh I'm just going to let AD post more, I think he's rather easy to sort.

Oh, I wasn't even thinking of the townbloc stuff, lol. It was the comment about Ydrasse's reaction to the slide reveal seeming like dumb town. Like, she was going "I want the slide, I want the slide!" and then the slide got revealed. Of course she's going to have a reaction, whether or not she's the one who did it. All it tells me is that if she revealed it, she doesn't want to be open about it at the moment.

...okay, I guess she probably wouldn't have been clamoring for it beforehand if she was intending on revealing it but not wanting it to be known she did, it's needlessly attention-getting.

Uh... yeah, still not sure how alignment comes into that, though.

[Hu Tao]

Wait so has the game not started yet? I'm lost

[Aureal]

Thinking some about the Dreams now...

Forget 11, I just turned the dial to 12!

: At first I thought the idea that this is a revive was totally out of left field, but then I remembered the setup has that clause about not necessarily being out of the game when you die. So this actually seems plausible to me now, even though it seems OP because it would essentially make the NK target a conftown instead. So maybe scum would even no-kill to avoid it? Okay lol, maybe this isn't so plausible. Maybe it conveys some sort of unblockable modifier?

You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well...

: I'd have to go read up on who this is to have an opinion on what this could be, and there doesn't seem to be time to really do that. So I think I gotta defer to the people who do know anything about Vi as all I know is what's been said here about Tarelfsoundingname and some battery? And hope it's not actually talking about a Village Idiot, as that potential confusion is apparently is something that the wiki felt the need to point out...

Protest is effective, but why have we super glued ourselves to each other, exactly?

: Yeah, could be lovers (though thinking about how that would be assigned leads to a lot more questions...) so doesn't seem great.

I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat?

Still think it sounds like a protective thing.

These sheeple have.. fur? And horns? Wait these are literally sheep people

: Uh... this sounds kind of dangerous. Sheep with fur and horns? Are they wolf-sheep?

So I think I'm probably going with the dial, Vi, and car seat. The slide isn't strictly bad- as Klick points out, we could play around it (and envisioning the chaos that could ensue if people don't play as agreed is tempting me ) but it isn't exactly helpful either. These three feel like they have better potential to actually be helpful rather than harmful. Picking the neutralish known option wouldn't be a bad idea if we don't know what we're getting elsewhere and it feels like it might be bad; without further info I think I might take it over the superglue or sheeple if those were the options.

[Klick]

ActionDan
Gimli

Von Payne (Black/Doctor Drew hydra)

DragonEater70
Kyoko Kirigiri

Klick

Hu Tao
Prism

Aureal

Catgirl Chipotle (Alisae/MariaR hydra)

Silver Ravens (GuyInFreezer/Dunnstral hydra)

Sunflower (fireisredsir/JupiterXV hydra)

Ydrasse

VOTE: Aureal

[DragonEater70]

Klick has ew reads

Still think he's town though

And in the spirit of making right past wrongs, I am going to sheep him

VOTE: Aureal

(yes, I am aware votes aren't counted)