Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[Von Payne]

BOOOOO TOMATO TOMATO TOMATO
oh hi black!

Hi Jupes and good morning! This is like the only time I'll get to play today so I'm trying to take advantage of it

~B

[Von Payne]

Dragon why did you ignore 363

~B

[DragonEater70]

How many games have you played with scum!Gimli?

Wrong question. I've played I think 5 games with him total, he was scum in one. That's quite a bit of experience. I've been able to confidently and easily identify town!Klick after only 2 games with him, for instance. And Klick wasn't even scum in either!

I was also familiar with scum!Gimli's capabilities from before Death Note: Second Page, but I'm not sure from which game exactly. I've read quite a few games I haven't played in.

This is a weird way to interpret my push. If I see a meta read I disagree with I'm going to question it's validity and call it out

My read on Gimli is not (just) a meta read. Even if it was just a meta read and even if it was wrong, that doesn't make me scummy, because town can be wrong. As an example: Klick is scumreading me for terrible reasons right now and he's wrong but that doesn't mean he's not town.

I'm curious what your scumlean on us is based on

Just various odds and ends. I feel like I'm going to write it out and it's gonna be a paragraph long because it's a lot of little things so it's gonna look like a big scumread, but it's not. Please remember that each individual sentence is like a super tiny ping. It's a really weak lean.

Spoiler:

It's very much not a fixed read and I do think there's more than 50% chance (statistically speaking) that it will change later. But currently I am not feeling the same level of belief/conviction in your push that I felt when you pushed me in Mini Normal 2323 for example (and like, it's possible you just don't believe in it as much as in that game, but it's still a factor). And in general not getting any towny vibes from your slot (though I'm not getting scummy vibes either). And also what Gimli said on you not solving out the gate - while it's possible that he was wrong, that still resonated with me and influenced my perception of your slot. And I guess the way you pushed me earlier felt somewhat forced but now it's definitely less so and more investigative so meh.

[DragonEater70]

Dragon why did you ignore 363

~B

I didn't! Just took more time to respond to it.

[Gimli]

maybe I should be using this to also townread black but her logic didn't go down well with me

What do you not like about my logic?

~B

lets talk about premature reads for a second

I got an early gut townlock read by DE. everyone else disagreed with it, fine. now the first question is, how likely is the overtly premature overtly confident read something that comes from scum? isn't the brazen overflowing confidence a towny thing? isn't it towny specifically for DE?

on the other hand, let's take your interpretation of it, to highlight the kind of premature read that I think is scummy. you said he was more likely scum pocketing me or SvS. I mentioned before how much I disliked it. to interpret that as pocketing - on page 4 of pre day 1 of a 10 day gameday - is premature. also, how likely is it that townreading me like that is gonna get heat from elsewhere, even if it pockets me? why is this a scum strategy to you?

[DragonEater70]

Yes, that's correct. I had said that.

So you think it's egregious for Klick to townread me over them even though you weren't sure why you even townread them. Seems a bit convoluted but ok

~B

Again, I don't see a lot of reason to townread you right now. I am not seeing a specific thing to townread about them, but I am seeing a lot of general towniness from their direction and I'd expect Klick to pick up on that. Do you have a read on them?

[Sunflower]

isn't the brazen overflowing confidence a towny thing? isn't it towny specifically for DE?

no, it isn't

this feels a little narrative-pushy

[Sunflower]

i don't think klick is wrong, though? fire informed me what plurality-elims were, and it really doesn't seem all that bad. if this dream is selected, which it probably won't, playing around the "detriments" (isn't a day extension a good thing????) isn't that hard to do.

I never really said he was wrong, the vote was for something else.

then what was it for

[Sunflower]

I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat? Still think it sounds like a protective thing.

i disagree

[Sunflower]

btw speaking of car seat me and fire are actively fighting it out right now

[Hu Tao]

User Sunflower what do you think about users Kyoko and Klick

hi! i know this wasn't directed towards me but uhh. ok so kyoko posted. i didn't even know they were in the game but i saw them and they slapped me back to my danganronpa phase. which i barely escaped. i got like. the flashbacks. but also kirigiri best girl. tbh i don't remember much about their posting, just that they had a kirigiri avatar.
i think i like klick's posting so far. i don't remember any posts they made asides from the one on the slider though

Chiaki best girl

i can respect that actually, sdr2 was my favorite game. i really love and hate komaeda

So true bestie

[Hu Tao]

So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?

[Von Payne]

quote=DragonEater70 post_id=14119299 time=1710082263 user_id=36973]
My read on Gimli is not (just) a meta read. Even if it was just a meta read and even if it was wrong, that doesn't make me scummy, because town can be wrong. As an example: Klick is scumreading me for terrible reasons right now and he's wrong but that doesn't mean he's not town
[/quote]

What does this first sentence have to do with what I'm saying? Your meta read was the only reason you provided at the time and I didn't agree with it so I called it out

I agree that townies can be wrong but we're in the business of determining if reads are real or not. You being wrong about someone's meta means there's a chance it's a fake read. Does it also mean you could just be a wrong townie? Of course. We play the game to figure these things out

Do you have a read on them?

Nope

~B

[Von Payne]

My read on Gimli is not (just) a meta read. Even if it was just a meta read and even if it was wrong, that doesn't make me scummy, because town can be wrong. As an example: Klick is scumreading me for terrible reasons right now and he's wrong but that doesn't mean he's not town

What does this first sentence have to do with what I'm saying? Your meta read was the only reason you provided at the time and I didn't agree with it so I called it out

I agree that townies can be wrong but we're in the business of determining if reads are real or not. You being wrong about someone's meta means there's a chance it's a fake read. Does it also mean you could just be a wrong townie? Of course. We play the game to figure these things out

Do you have a read on them?

Nope

~B

[Von Payne]

We sent in Slide, Protest/glue, and Sheeple

Slide because Drew said he agrees with Klick that we should get it out of the way early, and the other two we just both liked

~B

[Von Payne]

So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?

Yep

~B

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I have a horrible headache this evening, so you probably wont see much me today. but I will do my best to catch up tomorrow

[Von Payne]

I have a horrible headache this evening, so you probably wont see much me today. but I will do my best to catch up tomorrow

oh naur!

hope you feel better <3

~B

[Hu Tao]

So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?

Yep

~B

What should I pm?

[Gimli]

I have a horrible headache this evening, so you probably wont see much me today. but I will do my best to catch up tomorrow

[DragonEater70]

We sent in Slide, Protest/glue, and Sheeple

Slide because Drew said he agrees with Klick that we should get it out of the way early, and the other two we just both liked

~B

If Slide isn't chosen, it can't appear again. So there's no benefit in "getting it out of the way early".

So are we supposed to pm votes or something? Is that what the mod is talking about?

Yep

~B

What should I pm?

Did you decide which dreams to vote for?

[Sunflower]

I really don't think we should do car seat imo

[Sunflower]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle ... 2077812164
come watch

[Gimli]

I did vi, sheeple and 11-12

[Sunflower]

wait is the link allowed