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[Snow2697]

Can you be a bro and give me your preferences for the lim?

I'd like to hear Fancy first. I agree with some of his points and disagree with the others, but even if I disagree it helps my analysis.

If I had to decide now, I would probably think about Solon.

Why Solon? He is probably my towniest read at this point, given everything that just went down.

He was town for me too.

But. He is adamant about "play or leave the game" and "play to your win conditions" tests. OK. He can do that. However, he is playing in a way that he himself can be knocked out. And refuses to play until his demands are met. Making ultimatum to the mod and other players. So, based on his own tests he is the scummiest player now.

If he does not retract and apologize, I will vote him.

This is a game hosted by a mod at a site as per rules. If you dislike smth from the above, say so outside and after the game and in appropriate tone.

[Malachai]

Eh. The difference here is that I think there's a near 0% chance that Solon is scum, and his recent actions just reinforce what was already a strong belief for me in the first place. Whereas you can find plenty of reasoning to believe Not Mafia really just is scum here.

Leave matters of moderation to the moderator and leave matters of the game to the players of the game. With the exception of MAYBE Solon, I'm pretty confident that the rest of us are voting for Not Mafia because we do legitimately believe he is scum.

[Snow2697]

I see your logic, and you are entitled to it.

I have mine and will stick to it.

[Malachai]

This would suggest that a Snow / Not_Mafia team is entirely plausible.

[Malachai]

I was townie on Snow before, but his insistence on voting for Solon here feels very contrived to me and incredibly opportunistic. I trust that this situation is going to resolve itself without us needing to vote him out of the game.

FYI, if what he is doing is deemed unacceptable by the mod, he would probably be force-replaced, not killed. So whatever angle you are working that assumes he will be killed by the mod and that we'd have 0 mis-eliminations left if we missed wrong today, you really shouldn't be thinking that way.

[Solon]

Snow is my bigger scumread, but I refuse to play further with Not_Mafia, so that's unfortunately where I stand.

It may well be that they are both scum, in which case it's an easy game.

[Snow2697]

We have to make opinions and decisions here vis-a-vis other players and we base these opinions/decisions on various factors. We can agree or disagree in full or in part on these opinions, decisions or factors. I am fine with that. It's just a game. But to refuse to play with another player altogether and start a dispute with the mod in this way about it seems too much.

I might be wrong on mislim attempts or other things. I certainly don't insist that the others follow me. This is my personal decision, and I apologize if someone thinks it's inappropriate.

Solon - it's very easy for you to have this vote taken away, but this is your personal decision and I will respect it.

VOTE: Solon

[Malachai]

We have to make opinions and decisions here vis-a-vis other players and we base these opinions/decisions on various factors. We can agree or disagree in full or in part on these opinions, decisions or factors. I am fine with that. It's just a game. But to refuse to play with another player altogether and start a dispute with the mod in this way about it seems too much.

I might be wrong on mislim attempts or other things. I certainly don't insist that the others follow me. This is my personal decision, and I apologize if someone thinks it's inappropriate.

Solon - it's very easy for you to have this vote taken away, but this is your personal decision and I will respect it.

VOTE: Solon

Just to be clear: you do not think Solon is scum and you still townread him, right?

[GuyInFreezer]

I won't be around much today.
How long do I have?

[GuyInFreezer]

2.5 days. I'll make my decision by tomorrow. I'm between "N_M suddenly doing more stuff gives me cold feet but yolo anyway," "CFD Fancy but unironically because if he's scum he's probably the hardest one to lim out of my list," and "I'm warming up to Snow being town a lot atm but should I stick to my original read on RN?"

[GuyInFreezer]

There's also Drew but atm I'm just not feeling it.

[Snow2697]

Just to be clear: you do not think Solon is scum and you still townread him, right?

Solon is town who has made a black move. According to standards, which he chose to assess other players (which he is entitled to), he is black himself. If he retracts and apologizes to the mod, I will revoke my vote and consider him town, probably with additional degree of scrutiny. If he doesn't, he can be going down on my scales. So far this is a sort of a policy vote. I am not playing against Solon.

You are town who has also made a black move. Solon can call NM scum, play vs him, vote him, solicit votes vs him. But now he refuses to play the game with NM, appeals to the mod and wants the mod to interfere in a hardly appropriate manner. And when I express my dislike (without crossing any lines I think), you scumread me and tell me "leave moderation to the mod and leave the game to the players". But Solon is doing the opposite! You can still consider Solon town (as I currently do), you can consider Solon town in the future (which I may or may not do), you can think that Solon is right and I am wrong, you can scumread me for what I do or for what RN was doing, but you cannot impose double standards on me and Solon here. If you keep doing this, you can be going down on my scales as well.

Hopefully this clarifies my views and does not offend anyone involved.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: NM

[JacksonVirgo]

No longer want Snow, I dont think people are feeling Fancy rn

[Malachai]

That's E-1.

[KayJayQueue]

E-1? On whom? Ahh what’s VC? Stupid work, I have no idea what’s happening. Cliff notes anyone? I promise I’ll catch up later.

[Thomith]

I mean.....I was ready to tunnel you relentlessly....but how can I now??

VOTE: Quack

This vote has not been counted as I don't know who it is for.

[Thomith]

Votecount 1.14

Votecount 1.14

Not_Mafia (4):

Not_Mafia, Solon, Malachai, JacksonVirgo

E-1

Malachai (1):

Doctor Drew

Snow2697 (1):

FancyPants

Solon (1):

Snow2697

Not Voting (2):

GuyInFreezer, KayJayQueue

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-03-13 05:56:04)

Mod Notes

None

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Not_Mafia]

Snow is my bigger scumread, but I refuse to play further with Not_Mafia, so that's unfortunately where I stand.

It may well be that they are both scum, in which case it's an easy game.

[Not_Mafia]

KayJay all of a sudden falling back on "uWu little old newbie me doesn't know what's going on" posting when we're actually trying to build a consensus and need to elim someone has them plummeting down my readslist

[Malachai]

I don't see how mocking other players is doing you any favors here. You mock Solon for a "dry and dilettante playstyle", you use demeaning language to insult Kay's approach to the game, and your reads lists are just your own way of teasing and mocking each and every player in this game however you see fit. I don't know why any of us should have to put up with this shit.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Not Mafia

If anything this is good for the game moving forward with no distractions

[Not_Mafia]

I don't see how mocking other players is doing you any favors here. You mock Solon for a "dry and dilettante playstyle", you use demeaning language to insult Kay's approach to the game, and your reads lists are just your own way of teasing and mocking each and every player in this game however you see fit. I don't know why any of us should have to put up with this shit.

Put up with what exactly

"Not_Mafia isn't engaging or providing reads"
Not_Mafia engages and provides read
"Stop commenting on the game and players it's meanie bobeanie"

[Not_Mafia]

I don't see how mocking other players is doing you any favors here. You mock Solon for a "dry and dilettante playstyle", you use demeaning language to insult Kay's approach to the game, and your reads lists are just your own way of teasing and mocking each and every player in this game however you see fit. I don't know why any of us should have to put up with this shit.

Put up with what exactly?

"Not_Mafia isn't engaging or providing reads"
Not_Mafia engages and provides read
"Stop commenting on the game and players it's meanie bobeanie"