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VOTE: SmileyDude1

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That's exactly what it is. You want to fade me because I'm good at scum and I fooled you in previous games as opposed to wanting to fade me for things I've done in this game

how do you know this?

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ok but just because he said it, why do you assume it's true?

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I know what he posted.

I'm asking you why you're assuming he's town who wants to kill you for being good at mafia rather than mafia trying to push you for an excuse

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I'm asking you why you're assuming he's town who wants to kill you for being good at mafia rather than mafia trying to push you for an excuse

good point, Aristeia feels towny thanks to this post

agree

I guess I'm reading this differently than you two, but Black never even alludes to gob being town. 36 reads to me more like she's accusing gob of being spiteful and pushing for a lim rather than actually pegging her as scum this game.

assuming spite is someone's motive also assumes they're town imo

but explain why it doesn't

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Really tempted to vote no elimination

it would probably be a good meme

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embrace the omgus

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got rejected

*hugs*

there's always next time

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its...................

over

every ending is a new beginning

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Look at the end of the day, Black if you get too good and don't have built-in protection (such as me acting stupid constantly) you'll start to be viewed as a threat and get limmed or killed day 1 constantly.

maybe you could teach her how to "act stupid"

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i think you are plenty good enough

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Words cannot express how not into this game I am feeling

But this might

VOTE: no elimination

hope you had a great weekend

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*I haven't been that active currently because I am actively going through the process of buying my first home. Bit preoccupied.

good luck!

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Either way, I think nurse is still the best vote right now based off what I said earlier

do you have a lot of experience with Random Nurse?

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Either way, I think nurse is still the best vote right now based off what I said earlier

do you have a lot of experience with Random Nurse?

I've played with him a bit but not as scum I dont think

ok and is he like no defensive when he's town?

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It's more that I think it's forced

can you give like a comparison between what you're seeing here and what you've seen in past games with him that led you to this conclusion?

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i dunno its more the wording you chose in your gob suspicion

Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot

kinda reads as "im scum but i have to force another wagon, how do i make it look like i'm convincing myself gob is scum" rather than "i've convinced myself gob is scum"

I can see what you're getting at here.

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y aren’t we going black tho

if she's town it'd be bad to speedyeet her and not give her time to do her things

if she's mafia it'd be bad to not make her team try to save her or bus her

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like I get the feeling that if black is mafia then this means her team is like not very good at playing around the current thread situation and it will only get more pronounced the longer this day goes on

whereas speedyeeting her would be less info

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y aren’t we going black tho

if she's town it'd be bad to speedyeet her and not give her time to do her things

if she's mafia it'd be bad to not make her team try to save her or bus her

Which do you think I am? You've been very non-committal regarding my slot

I think you're mafia

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Gob what do your reads look like rn

i like smile snow ari.

Any scumreads besides me and StD?

i know this wasn't asked to me but I'd think if you're mafia your scumteam would be like one of t3/notascum[leaning towards NAS] and maybe hu tao?

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I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactions

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Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them

why would I help you if I think you're mafia?

I'm confused by this question

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I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactions

elab

I liked 244, it captured exactly how I felt about black's posting in the thread.

I think if he's mafia with her and planning to bus her or whatever he'd just vote for her or push her instead of pointing out how her play is scummy without really voting for it.

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but like that doesn't really give us much info because gob is like "i'm BOPping black and don't care about what she's doing this game"

yea I kind of hate what gob is pushing her for because its so annoying but i find annoying pushes more often come from obnoxious town than scum

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I guess gob could be annoying scum who decided to death-tunnel a random townie right off the bat with an excuse but I dunno how likely that is, I have limited experience with gob the last time I remember playing vs scum!gob he felt more like trying to be nice nice?

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i am Switzerland

i think youre wolf

why

just feels like youre pulling something like last game.

what did i do last game that feels like this game

This no lim stuff feels like you're pulling a play. Am I wrong?

this is all I could find from his iso

wdym by moving goalposts?

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Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them

why would I help you if I think you're mafia?

I'm confused by this question

If you think they could be my scumbuddies then pushing them with me a) let's you glean my reaction to their wagons and b) has a decent chance of flipping scum if the wagons actually go through. You're not doing anything with your vote actually and that kinda concerns me considering you seem to have all these scumreads

Your read on me seems lazy

(1) my suspicion of them comes from my suspicion of you - you'd have to flip scum first before I consider looking for bussing votes.
(2) seeing how they interact with you normally without my interference is a better way to glean alignment information than pegging you to a counterwagon by giving you support.
(3) allowing you to yeet a bussing teammate doesn't help me win the game - it moves you into a better position in the game thread, allows you to take more thread control and you can potentially use that to yeet the people who voted you originally but are town.
(4) my vote would be on you if I was using it, I have chosen not to and I've laid out the strategic reasons why in 251 and 252
(5) my read on you is pretty lazy I'll agree on that. is there something you're doing that you think I should be townreading you for?

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He thinks this whole "Black is a threat" push will be believable

I don't know anyone who actually believes in this other than gob?

I think you're suspicious because of the way you reacted to him and the way you are interacting in the thread.

I don't really believe in yeeting people for their scum rep.

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I don't think I've done anything for you to scumread me enough to build teams based on my flip.

I was responding to a question you were asking someone else about potential scum teams with you in it

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StD and Naerys were both in that game

ok and neither of them seem interested in fearyeeting you?

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I still don't understand how my reaction to him was scummy but whatever, you don't seem to want to budge there or even discuss it furthher. How are my interactions with the thread scummy?

I thought your reaction to gob initially was to talk to him as if he's town treating you unfairly 36 - the sense I got reading the post was that you felt it was unfair he was treating you the way he was because you beat him previously and not because of what you've done in the game so far. The reason I felt it was a scummy reaction is because you're assuming that he wants to yeet you because of your brilliant scumplay in a previous game and not because he's mafia who's trying to push a mislim, the way you talk to him in that post feels like scum frustration to me.

As for how your interactions with the thread - it feels overall like you're not sure what to do and you're just pulling catchphrases out of your go to list of things to say. I'm not sure you believe anything you've posted in terms of alignment/solving. I liked what STD said about you not believing in your gob scumread, it felt like you were trying to get somewhere rather getting there organically.

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Interacting with you is very difficult. You just seem like you always have to be right or something

I'm sorry for being difficult.

I try to be right, I am often wrong.

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This game is frustrating me

yea I can kind of feel that frustration sorry <3

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I guess I should have chilled in the shadows and not tried to figure out gob's motives for pushing me. Would that have been better for you Ari? Would that have been more townie of me? Now this god awful gob push is being twisted into a legitimate wagon and it makes me want to rip my hair out

I agree that there's not a lot of options for you as either alignment in a stagnant game state. That's another reason why I felt voting you would be bad because so many people aren't really doing anything.

I'm not like some kind of judge who's going to say whether what you're doing is right or wrong and I don't think you should think of me that way - we're just playing a game. I don't want you to rip your hair out as either alignment, I want to give you time to do townie things if you're town and if I can't get there in the end that's my fault and not yours.

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I'd also feel bad even if you were mafia

i like playing with you

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Black is likely town BTW. This is how I expect her to act as town.

can you give more specifics/words to this read?

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I'm just being transparent with my reads. I can stop talking if you want me to

what's your read on Hu Tao?

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VOTE: NotAScum

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VOTE: NotAScum

This feels weird. Why would you not vote for me here

your ATE got to me and NAS isn't really doing anything to make me think he's town

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I recognize that I am pretty easy to confbias into my initial impressions and I could be wrong about lots of things.

I guess even though I'd say I feel you're more likely to be mafia than NAS is, at least you care enough to play and I don't think he cares so I'd feel worse about missing on you than missing on him.

I don't think he is going to get more readable over time whereas you might become more readable so that's another point.

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I don't think there's anyone I wouldn't vote

ty for your contribution

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I don't think there's anyone I wouldn't vote

ty for your contribution

Spoiler:

thx this made my day

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why is it scummy? You can't just quote a wall of posts and call it scummy, that doesn't mean anything

this is such a weird reaction in the context of the game state

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I don't really have a read on T3.

I guess I'm fine with him being limmed if that's what we're settling on.

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why is it scummy? You can't just quote a wall of posts and call it scummy, that doesn't mean anything

this is such a weird reaction in the context of the game state

Elaborate

you're voting for t3 and he's about to die.

so I'm assuming you think he's mafia?

the way you're talking to him sounds like you're saying he can't do this because it doesn't mean anything except like that doesn't feel like language you use with someone who you think is mafia and about to flip mafia.

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I guess I just think if you're town your reaction to T3 saying something you believe is nonsense shading you would be something like

"this is so scum die die?"

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cakez this is the part where you explain why I'm wrong and what you actually meant

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I like that Cakez asked me for an elaboration and then just ignored it completely

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why are the two of them scummy?

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I'm willing to vote for T3 but I'd prefer NAS

we have roughly a day left on the deadline.

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ill check in another 7 hours to see if anyones actually close to being eliminated.

this game feels like it wont end on a scum elimination because like i dont think anyone actually cares about who gets eliminated out of the top wagons which is usually a sign we're at T-T leading wagons and scum are spread out and town are not even trying

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I guess that tell doesn't really apply since we didn't even have two wagons it's just been the T3 wagon and a bunch of vanity votes.


which might just be worse but it is what it is.

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T3 claim now if you want any chance of not dying, there are 12 hours left and no alternative wagons

even tho this is like incredibly easy for SC scum to post I kind of think it leans town!indicative because of the game state

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like he's saying something really obvious but this is a game where it looks like nobody cares about urgency or getting things done so I'm not sure scum do stuff like point out obvious things when the town is busy trying to sleepwalk into whatever.

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I have considered whether I should change my no-elim position now that there are more moves and data and I have formed a view on which players look scummy.
To put it other way, if I see someone scummy, why don't I vote for his/her elimination.
I have 4 issues here.
1 - Cakez and T3 look scummy to me based on my interpretation of their moves. But if Black is scum, then Cakez and T3 should be credited, not criticized for their votes. Black can be scum and town in my set-up.
2 - If Black is indeed town, a good candidate would be Aristeia. But again, if Black is scum, Aristeia looks very townish for pushing a scum.
3 - I don't like to make a D1 vote where so much depends on the status of one particular player.
4 - another approach can be to vote for a passive player. But I do not think that such a harsh step is required at D1 and that voting for a lurk would give a lot of data.
So, I would keep my no-elim vote unchanged.

waiting for the mafia to kill us all is a game losing strat

you need to vote to kill mafia to win

if you do not vote you cannot win

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ill vote whichever one out of T3/SirCakez gets to 6 votes first

i dont think either of them will flip mafia

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the reason I don't think either of them flip mafia is that this just doesnt feel like a game state where mafia are in danger of being eliminated because I don't think anyone cares who actually gets eliminated today

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I guess I could just refuse to vote and settle for no lim. that's not that bad since people want to try it

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VOTE: no lim

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VOTECOUNT 1.8

T3 (5)

- SmileyDude1, Black, SirCakez, Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Naerys

SirCakez (4)

- Save the Dragons, T3, Hu Tao, Gob

Naerys (1)

shaddowez

No Elimination (2)

- Snow2697, Aristeia

Not Voting (1)

- NotAScum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2024-02-26 01:12:53).

I think this is where we are currently at

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i'm fine with flipping T3 and seeing where things go

i am just naturally pessimistic I guess

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I'd be more inclined to agree with this though if there was minimal to no resistance to the wagons that occurred today. I don't think that is the case though. Look through most of the major wagons today and you can find someone who dissented against them. Black (myself for a while, Hu Tao), NotScum (SirCakez) T3 (StD, Gob) and SirCakez (you,me) all had resistance posed at some point while their wagons were ongoing and I do think that indicates that people care who the elimination here is to me.

I can see resistance being mafia who are trying to look good for the next day,

what I'm missing is people advocating for one lim over another. everyone is kind of in a mood where it seems they don't really care what's going on

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I mean like people just plugged in their votes and left

nobody is here openly advocating or asking for votes for their preferred candidate

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like 626 is one post from yesterday ~24 hours ago, he's posted nothing since.

is STD really that interested in getting Cakez eliminated? who is he trying to get to vote for Cakez?

its just a feeling that nobody really cares about who gets flipped today

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maybe I'm the problem and I just care too much

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about 4 hours to deadline

VOTE: t3

this is e-1

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gg thx for modding Ausuka

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I liked the cute birds