Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[Aristeia]

I know, we are all in the same boat since the only possibility is that it’s one of the three of us. So we will all have to eventually point the finger at the other two. Because no matter which of us is voted today, if the vote is wrong, the next day the remaining two inevitably will be pointing fingers at each other. I have no way of knowing which one of you it is for sure, but your reasoning only really makes sense if it’s me and I know it’s not me. Thats why it’s hard for me to believe you’re town right now.

ok then vote for me ?

[Psyche]

im going to keep arguing hutao scum is impossible
if it is possible, need answers to these questions:

why does NAS jump onto hutao when/how he does if hutao is scum?

why doesn't scum-hutao clear gera during the massclaim when gera already reads as town to any gunsmith?

would be happy for either kay or ari to try tbh

[Aristeia]

why does NAS jump onto hutao when/how he does if hutao is scum?

bussing

[Aristeia]

why doesn't scum-hutao clear gera during the massclaim when gera already reads as town to any gunsmith?

because if hu tao says gera is clear
and kay says PC is clear

that leaves a POE of ari/titus only

that means the viable scum teams are:

ari+titus
hu tao + gera
kay + PC

with Psyche/RN conftown.

Nobody is going to lim Titus because need roleblocker.

so the next step is to lim either Hu Tao or Kay to "confirm" their investigative target.

if we lim hu tao, and hu tao flips mafia - gera dies at night game over
if we lim kay, PC becomes confirmed town, we shoot hu tao or gera at night - game over the next day

[Hu Tao]

Question. Is mafia doctor unable to do night kills? Is that why they have no gun?

[Psyche]

it probably wasn't hutao's strategy to get bussed but i guess we can imagine NAS thinking it was a good idea

[Political Clout]

KJQ comes across as town trying to find out alignments, where NAS feels like performative new not real new.

this is NAS's only completed game on this site;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92263&user_select%5B%5D=37348

I see no indication he's not just a newbie

VOTE: NAS

these 2 posts don't make sense.

[Aristeia]

it probably wasn't hutao's strategy to get bussed but i guess we can imagine NAS thinking it was a good idea

it would explain why NAS didnt bother to read the wiki article if NAS just wanted an excuse to hop on to the wagon that he knew was on a mafia

[Aristeia]

KJQ comes across as town trying to find out alignments, where NAS feels like performative new not real new.

this is NAS's only completed game on this site;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92263&user_select%5B%5D=37348

I see no indication he's not just a newbie

VOTE: NAS

these 2 posts don't make sense.

did you miss this post that happened in between them;

do you even have a case for not a scum

so notascum ended as the second biggest wagon of yesterday and was discussed at length as a potential scumread by tons of people
but aristeia, who went out of her way to push through the naeyrs wagon through against a wealth of resistance, apparently did not notice anyone post reasons for voting NAS either 1) back when anyone made these posts, or 2) while reflecting on the outcome of Day and Night 1
aristeia even bothered to spend a post examining NAS's game history before peeking at even one post someone's made this game explainaing their NAS scumread
supposing this slot is town -- which i suppose is not certain! -- the amount of wasted effort here is breathtaking

where psyche basically says im breathtakingly stupid for not recognizing NAS is mafia

[Aristeia]

Question. Is mafia doctor unable to do night kills? Is that why they have no gun?

mafia doctors are able to make nightkills

[Hu Tao]

Question. Is mafia doctor unable to do night kills? Is that why they have no gun?

mafia doctors are able to make nightkills

Of course YOU would know that since you're mafia. (Just kidding thanks )

[Aristeia]

tldr i thought psyche was crumbing a result on NAS because he was so harsh to me so I thought hey maybe i should just shut up and sheep him

turns out he just didnt care about my opinion on the matter

[Political Clout]

KJQ comes across as town trying to find out alignments, where NAS feels like performative new not real new.

this is NAS's only completed game on this site;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92263&user_select%5B%5D=37348

I see no indication he's not just a newbie

VOTE: NAS

these 2 posts don't make sense.

did you miss this post that happened in between them;

do you even have a case for not a scum

so notascum ended as the second biggest wagon of yesterday and was discussed at length as a potential scumread by tons of people
but aristeia, who went out of her way to push through the naeyrs wagon through against a wealth of resistance, apparently did not notice anyone post reasons for voting NAS either 1) back when anyone made these posts, or 2) while reflecting on the outcome of Day and Night 1
aristeia even bothered to spend a post examining NAS's game history before peeking at even one post someone's made this game explainaing their NAS scumread
supposing this slot is town -- which i suppose is not certain! -- the amount of wasted effort here is breathtaking

where psyche basically says im breathtakingly stupid for not recognizing NAS is mafia

yes I'm just reading iso's

[Aristeia]

Of course YOU would know that since you're mafia. (Just kidding thanks )

[Aristeia]

yes I'm just reading iso's

yes i know thats why i am explaining the context to you

[Hu Tao]

tldr i thought psyche was crumbing a result on NAS because he was so harsh to me so I thought hey maybe i should just shut up and sheep him

turns out he just didnt care about my opinion on the matter

Did he not state he didn't have a guilty on NAS

[Psyche]

why doesn't scum-hutao clear gera during the massclaim when gera already reads as town to any gunsmith?

because if hu tao says gera is clear
and kay says PC is clear

that leaves a POE of ari/titus only

that means the viable scum teams are:

ari+titus
hu tao + gera
kay + PC

with Psyche/RN conftown.

Nobody is going to lim Titus because need roleblocker.

so the next step is to lim either Hu Tao or Kay to "confirm" their investigative target.

if we lim hu tao, and hu tao flips mafia - gera dies at night game over
if we lim kay, PC becomes confirmed town, we shoot hu tao or gera at night - game over the next day

hmmm not sure if i follow your reasoning but i get the gist of a potential objection...
the poe if hutao claims gera is clear is technically the same 5 slots as before, but maybe with hutao/gera providing more information than before, maybe making a lim between them

more

likely

i guess in practice hutao planning to "clear" gera by claiming smith would do so D2 on the pretend basis of fear that she would be shot before she could claim her result
we can imagine a scenario where the idea of claiming smith doesn't occur to her until massclaim time i suppose.

in fact maybe we should ask hutao why she didn't claim her result sooner
i guess her answer will be "i crumbed my result enough in my first post D2"

[Aristeia]

tldr i thought psyche was crumbing a result on NAS because he was so harsh to me so I thought hey maybe i should just shut up and sheep him

turns out he just didnt care about my opinion on the matter

Did he not state he didn't have a guilty on NAS

yes he did on the next page after my vote

[Psyche]

KJQ comes across as town trying to find out alignments, where NAS feels like performative new not real new.

this is NAS's only completed game on this site;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=92263&user_select%5B%5D=37348

I see no indication he's not just a newbie

VOTE: NAS

these 2 posts don't make sense.

did you miss this post that happened in between them;

do you even have a case for not a scum

so notascum ended as the second biggest wagon of yesterday and was discussed at length as a potential scumread by tons of people
but aristeia, who went out of her way to push through the naeyrs wagon through against a wealth of resistance, apparently did not notice anyone post reasons for voting NAS either 1) back when anyone made these posts, or 2) while reflecting on the outcome of Day and Night 1
aristeia even bothered to spend a post examining NAS's game history before peeking at even one post someone's made this game explainaing their NAS scumread
supposing this slot is town -- which i suppose is not certain! -- the amount of wasted effort here is breathtaking

where psyche basically says im breathtakingly stupid for not recognizing NAS is mafia

i was more trying to suggest you are scum there through a reducto ab absurdum there but in any case i'd like to apologize one more time!

[Hu Tao]

Yes. I didn't need to claim it right away because I didn't want scum to know that I was PR to give them the false sense of security to claim a PR and I figured I'd be able to back up my pr softs pretty easily

[Psyche]

now that you remind me i do still kind of think you purportedly not knowing of a case on NAS by that point remains somewhat suspicious

[Psyche]

if hutao is scum she definitely was planning the gist of her fakeclaim kind of early. ive gotta remember to do that next time im scum

[Aristeia]

now that you remind me i do still kind of think you purportedly not knowing of a case on NAS by that point remains somewhat suspicious

sure

[Aristeia]

Yes. I didn't need to claim it right away because I didn't want scum to know that I was PR to give them the false sense of security to claim a PR and I figured I'd be able to back up my pr softs pretty easily

yet when kay claims a PR you just claim yours fits in with hers

[Hu Tao]

if hutao is scum she definitely was planning the gist of her fakeclaim kind of early. ive gotta remember to do that next time im scum

If I was scum I'd have to bank on the fact that town didn't have a gunsmith. Which was likely with mafia doctor and vig.