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[Hu Tao]

My gut on Dave is sussy. But I'm unsure on that one too

[Gypyx]

come murder willow with me Hu Tao

[PenguinPower]

murder willow sounds like a very awesome tree that i would like to plant in my backyard.

[Little Will o' Wisp]

UNVOTE: Snow

A few takeaways from the flashwagon:

• There's approximately a 0% chance the wagon is scum free.
  
• Thomit is just town. This is my "page 2 townread" of the game.
  
• "Wagon bad, WTF everyone!" is such an easy and predictable response that I believe that at least one off-wagon scum made it. (One of Naerys, Kay, Oblivion)
  
• I believe Dave when he says he didn't read page 2 before voting. That doesn't mean he's town, it only means a page 2 execution wasn't his objective.

note to self: read the 2nd page first

I don't think it's a bad thing to hit an E-1 like that, it will certainly provide good material.

What material? A Poisoned Well Opening to the game? Town or Scum, what player reacts within normal ranges to almost dying before ever hitting the thread? Do you think yourself so enlightened in the ways of player mentality that you will be able to discern town confusion and outrage from the scum variant? It doesn't think anyone can, reliably, and rather thinks that most natural responses from a player in that slot will be traditionally seen as scummy.

It dislikes the very idea. There's no foundation to base the reaction off of, so there's no baseline to test against.

I think the usefulness of the flashwagon is entirely about

everyone else's

reaction to the wagon, not Snow's own reaction.

obliving sure says a lot of words but i'm not sure if it makes it town yet

i'm kinda curious about how Penguin following usual penguin meta makes him more likely town when like, sheeping on a page 1 wagon is not the hardest thing in the world

It isn't meta, but rather a mental model. It attempts to make models of player behaviour by playing with and understanding how they will react situationally. It seeks to understand, then apply these lessons by asking itself to think within that mental model, and whether the response makes sense or if there is an outside influence that is affecting that response, then seeking motivation from being in that Model.

Having played precisely one game with Penguin, as it being scum, it got to see much of how Penguin approaches a game. It thinks that the teasing, off the cuff but effective manner in which Penguin approached his vote fits within its model of him and so it sees him most strongly as town from that.

Here is a question in return for you. If indeed the creation and reaction to these wagons are indicative of finding scum and town and sorting alignments, why is its method less effective than yours? What methods are you using, and from these interactions who is town or scum to you?

I think the human psyche is hard to understeand, and a sample size of one seems prone for mistakes and such

specifically, i'm looking for reactions that are hard to fake / scum failing to fail a reaction, willow in my opinions fits into this category as he made a sheep onto the wagon while also showing uneasiness around it, a pretty contradictory mindset, and one telling he's afraid of acting "wrong" (this is based on the shrug emoji for instance)

I wasn't scared. I never believed the wagon would actually lead to an execution.

murder willow sounds like a very awesome tree that i would like to plant in my backyard.

Same, actually.

[Little Will o' Wisp]

come murder willow with me Hu Tao

That be fair actually, after the last game I played with Tao. -_-

[Little Will o' Wisp]

specifically, i'm looking for reactions that are hard to fake / scum failing to fail a reaction, willow in my opinions fits into this category as he made a sheep onto the wagon while also showing uneasiness around it, a pretty contradictory mindset, and one telling he's afraid of acting "wrong" (this is based on the shrug emoji for instance)

I'm reading this paragraph over and over. I don't get it. How is what I did "failing to fail" a reaction?

And what do you mean "for instance"? The shrug emoticon is the only thing I besides voting.

[Naerys]

"Wagon bad, WTF everyone!" is such an easy and predictable response that I believe that at least one off-wagon scum made it. (One of Naerys, Kay, Oblivion)

I dont like the way you are mocking our response to the speedwagon.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Wisp

[Thomith]

VOTE: Wisp

Why?

[Titus]

Hu Tao and Wisp town. Dave and Naerys sus.

Dave sus bc whiteknight. Naerys likely fake suspicion.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dave

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Wisp

Why?

Why not?

[Snow2697]

VOTE: Dave

[Snow2697]

Dave claims that he did not read page 2 before he put me on E-1.
If true, he jumped on a train without understanding implications and potential lime. Hardly townish.
If not true, he is scum.
Dave is at least sus for me.

[geraintm]

VOTE: dave
Come on, we can do it this time!

[Naerys]

Hu Tao and Wisp town. Dave and Naerys sus.

Dave sus bc whiteknight. Naerys likely fake suspicion.

why do u think my suspiction is fake?

[Thomith]

VOTE: Wisp

Why?

Why not?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Wisp

Why?

Why not?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[Random Nurse]

folks on speedwagon:gypyx,thomith,titus,geraintm,wisp
mhm

Do you think the speed wagon is scummy?

I think speed wagons in general are Scummy, are taken advantage if by Scum, and can be devastating if successful Day 1.

Not a fan.

[Random Nurse]

Naerys, are you Scum this game?

I'll notice if you start buckling under the pressure again.

[Naerys]

no, i am town

[Alianna]

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[NotAScum]

Good morning fellow townies!