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[Gypyx]

1.4

now with seasoning !

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Political Clout (3) :

Political Clout / Davesaz / Brian Skies

Random Nurse (3) :

BlackStar / Titus / PenguinPower

yessiree (2) :

StraightFlush / Hu Tao

Hu Tao (1) :

yessiree

Davesaz (1) :

SmileyDude1

BlackStar (1) :

Greeting

Titus (1) :

KayJayQueue

Not Voting (1) :

Random Nurse

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to execute someone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-25 13:02:46)

vote history

PenguinPower :

yessiree (8) -> Brian Skies (29) -> Random Nurse (118)

yessiree :

PenguinPower (9) -> Political Clout (82) -> Hu Tao (121)

Davesaz :

greeting (13) -> Political Clout (76)

BlackStar :

Political Clout (18) -> Unvote(52) -> Random Nurse (90)

KayJayQueue :

Brian Skies (22) -> Titus (95)

Political Clout :

Politicial Clout (26)

SmileyDude1 :

Brian Skies (27) -> Unvote (91) -> Davesaz (92)

Greeting :

BlackStar (70)

Brian Skies :

Political Clout (83)

TItus :

Random Nurse (94)

StraightFlush :

yessiree (124)

Hu Tao :

yessiree (128)

mod notes

Brian Skies and Titus are V/LA until monday

[Political Clout]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

[Random Nurse]

I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.

[Gypyx]

truly the director's vision has been achieved

[BlackStar]

I’m happy writing

SmileyDude

off as town for the time being.

I agree

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

[Hu Tao]

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

I agree. If yess is town I could see Brian soft defending as scum here

[SmileyDude1]

Spoiler:

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I think the logic in both of these posts feel relatively sound to me. i'd say this feels closer to TvT right now.

[SmileyDude1]

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
-SNIP-

Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

[SmileyDude1]

What do you think about self-voting in the game in general?

Strongly dislike in general. There may be very limited cases where it actually furthers one's wincon, but for the most part it doesn't.

What's your thoughts on PC disregarding the self-vote?

[StraightFlush]

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
-SNIP-

Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scum

[StraightFlush]

(yes I know the irony of my word choice in the first sentence, but you get the point I’m trying to make lol. Can’t say it absolutely is AI, but it can be)

[davesaz]

What do you think about self-voting in the game in general?

Strongly dislike in general. There may be very limited cases where it actually furthers one's wincon, but for the most part it doesn't.

What's your thoughts on PC disregarding the self-vote?

Insufficient data.

[davesaz]

Come now, it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow to everyone's townie standards at once.

Umm, are you saying you're mafia?

That's a bit of a stretch.

Is it a stretch? Here's the whole post for more context.

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet

Come now, it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow to everyone's townie standards at once. I think all of us here are different enough in what we look for in order for that to be the case, so honesty is almost certainly the best policy. Personally, I think the towniest thing someone can do is defend a person who's currently unpopular with a well-reasoned argument

Who are you referring to when you say it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow? Why use "mafia" there and not "town" or "players"?
I don't generally agree with the notion of "slips", but this feels like there is a subtle mafia point of view aspect to the post.

[Political Clout]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

[BlackStar]

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
-SNIP-

Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scum

(yes I know the irony of my word choice in the first sentence, but you get the point I’m trying to make lol. Can’t say it absolutely is AI, but it can be)

I'm a little confused. What's the point of saying that something can be alignment indicative but might not be? If you don't feel strongly about it one way or the other then why mention it?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

[StraightFlush]

snip

Who are you referring to when you say it's not realistic for mafia to kowtow? Why use "mafia" there and not "town" or "players"?
I don't generally agree with the notion of "slips", but this feels like there is a subtle mafia point of view aspect to the post.

I don't understand this question, or the conclusion you're getting. I told yess that it's unproductive for him to hide his thoughts on people/standards for voting someone, because we're probably all different enough that mafia won't be able to fit everyone's preferred townie image at once. Judging by how left-field your response is, I can only assume that you misunderstood the conversation.

[StraightFlush]

Spoiler: quote wall

VOTE:

VOTE: yessiree

I agree that this inconsistency from him is very strange.

What inconsistency

You say you want to get some wagons going, and you’re willing to attempt starting a wagon on someone because they won’t feed into that, but you also say you don’t expect current votes to mean much of anything since we’re still in the feel-it-out phase? Those two don’t really go together, why vote people and start wagons when they won’t mean anything yet

You also say in the same post that you won’t share what you’re looking for in a wagon/what your standards for voting are, which is scummy behavior in its own right imo

I see, but you're confusing two things here. I said I'm not expecting votes to be well justified at this stage because I saw people were putting too much emphasis on this. That's not the same as having no reads at all which is Hu's case, and kinda why I was poking at her.

And I think it's pretty self-explanatory I'm obviously not telling y'all what I consider are scummy behaviours so you can do the towny thing instead the scummy thing

I've never gotten the appeal behind using votes to "poke" people personally. Let them get up to speed on their own. At the time Hu said they had no reads, I also happened to not have any reads yet
-SNIP-

Would you say that this behavior is AI though? Like do you think it's more just ineffective or more indicative of scum intentions in this instance?

I’m not experienced enough to speak in absolutes here, but it absolutely can be. Prodding readless people this early into D1 is a super LHF way to male yourself look like you’re doing something solvy, which benefits scum

(yes I know the irony of my word choice in the first sentence, but you get the point I’m trying to make lol. Can’t say it absolutely is AI, but it can be)

I'm a little confused. What's the point of saying that something can be alignment indicative but might not be? If you don't feel strongly about it one way or the other then why mention it?

Because Smiley asked for my opinion? If I'm not 100% sure about something I think, I'll say so; that situation shouldn't disqualify things from deserving to be said.

[Political Clout]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

I think 136 just generates more questions than it gives answers for. Why did 136 answer your question or how did it.

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

I think 136 just generates more questions than it gives answers for. Why did 136 answer your question or how did it.

Is Hu Tao's assessment accurate? Or did you have a different reason?

Spoiler:

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

I agree. If yess is town I could see Brian soft defending as scum here

Edited for clarity

[Political Clout]

VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

I think 136 just generates more questions than it gives answers for. Why did 136 answer your question or how did it.

Is Hu Tao's assessment accurate? Or did you have a different reason?

Spoiler:

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

I agree. If yess is town I could see Brian soft defending as scum here

Edited for clarity

Why would you assume hu taos assessment is accurate? I only said one word.

[BlackStar]

Can you say what your reasons are?

[Brian Skies]

I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.

Why are there black things on our plate now?

[Political Clout]

I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.

Why are there black things on our plate now?

I'm feeling more confident on my read here.