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[Political Clout]

What makes you think that was antagonistic?

Lol seriously?

What was the point of that post?

[Brian Skies]

Use your imagination.

[Political Clout]

Use your imagination.

Yeah this is just scum angry at being caught so soon.

[SmileyDude1]

VOTE: random nurse

I might have a really busy day at work today but I’ll be checking in as often as I can!

Haven't heard from either of you recently. Would like to hear any new thoughts you guys have about the game so far, whenever you get a chance.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not even angry.

Sounds more like PC upset after trying to pick a target that seemed like LHF, only to find nothing they have sticks.

[Political Clout]

I'm not even angry.

Sounds more like PC upset after trying to pick a target that seemed like LHF, only to find nothing they have sticks.

Now I'm actually the angry one? Lmao.

[Brian Skies]

You're the one that keeps trying to push baseless arguments.

[Political Clout]

You're the one that keeps trying to push baseless arguments.

Prove how they're baseless instead of saying meaningless buzzwords

[Political Clout]

fairly certain kayjayqueue is town less sure about random nurse and even less sure about dave...

I originally interpreted this post as you positing more suspicion on Nurse and Dave. Though your readlist doesn't really match up with that.

town
smiley
yessirre
kayjayqueue
penguin
nurse
dave
blackstar

null
hu tao
straight flush
titus
greeting

lean scum
brian


this is where I'm at for now.

Did something cause those reads to change?

Sorry for being confusing I just meant they were in descending order of towniness. That I townread them less than the other ones.

[Brian Skies]

Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.

Sarcasm/antagonism.

I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."

Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.

As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.

We can never know if that's true since you never said why you were voting me when you voted me. Dave said why a while later it can only be inferred why you decided to vote me.

Attempt to handwave reasoning to scumread you.

Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

You try to appease me here

Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.

It doesn't work

Generate more alignment indicative content.

You become aggressive

Then go for the PC did omgus for the discredit.

Attempt to narrate play to seem like you have the high ground in the argument.

Yes, I was also trying to make a wagon.

On someone I thought was potentially scum.

The existence of one does not invalidate the other.

Okay. Weird that you never say PC and scum in the same sentence until now.

I don't even know the point of this post. We both know what we're talking about, so why do I have to spell it out?

Use your imagination.

Yeah this is just scum angry at being caught so soon.

Upset at running into a deadend?

[Brian Skies]

Wow, narrating is fun.

[Brian Skies]

You still haven't addressed the blatant rolefishing.

[StraightFlush]

This exchange reads like scumdistancing imo, just a lot of worst-faith readings of each other and not a ton of substance.

For Brian, I just don't get any read on how he wants to act/what impact he wants to have on the game. The "analyzer" thing and the talk around that is especially weird.

For PC, I just think his early selfvote and posting habits since then have kinda invited this kind of argument, and there's not much benefit for him to continue engaging with it atp

[SmileyDude1]

Some questions for you Brian

I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."

Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.

As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.

If you thought PC's early posts were indicative of scum rolefishing, why did they only come up here instead of when you originally voted them. At what point would you say you reached that conclusion?

Generate more alignment indicative content.

Also, why say this if you already had reason to believe in scum!PC due to them rolefishing?

[Brian Skies]

Some questions for you Brian

I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."

Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.

As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.

If you thought PC's early posts were indicative of scum rolefishing, why did they only come up here instead of when you originally voted them. At what point would you say you reached that conclusion?

I feel as though those posts are pretty obviously rolefishing and that I shouldn't have to point them out. Like I said before, people are free to question votes.

Nobody really joined the PC wagon, so I mostly assumed people were fine with those posts (especially you considering you said you liked those posts).

Generate more alignment indicative content.

Also, why say this if you already had reason to believe in scum!PC due to them rolefishing?

This was directed more towards the town collective than PC specifically.

[Political Clout]

:^) I'm going to eat lol.

[StraightFlush]

VOTE: Brian Skies

You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.

[Brian Skies]

You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.

How so?

[Titus]

Don't make titus get drunk and speed read

[Brian Skies]

You don't need to speed read. It's only been 9 pages.

[StraightFlush]

You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.

How so?

A lot of your responses to PC's individual comments have been needlessly antagonistic, especially in the last page and a half, and it feeds into my earlier concern about worst-faith readings of each other. Smiley brings up a good point about it being weird that the rolefishing stuff is only just coming up now, and the "analyzer" business you discussed was not at all consistent with your earlier posting in the thread, making it seem like something you made up on the spot to deflect PC's criticism. You also say that nobody really jumped on the PC wagon so you didn't push it, but multiple people besides you/PC voted him around that time so I certainly don't buy that.

In general you come off as someone who isn't properly showing their thought processes, and you play it off by suggesting we should all just know what you're thinking. That's not a super healthy dynamic to bring to the thread, and it feels anti-town.

[StraightFlush]

Current reads, not ordered with in categories since I don't have the braincells for it rn:

TOWN
Smiley
Random Nurse
Greeting
Hu Tao

NULL
PenguinPower
KayJayQueue

MIXED
Political Clout
Titus
davesaz
yessiree

SCUM
Brian Skies
BlackStar

Surprisingly even spread all things considered

[Brian Skies]

You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.

How so?

A lot of your responses to PC's individual comments have been needlessly antagonistic, especially in the last page and a half, and it feeds into my earlier concern about worst-faith readings of each other. Smiley brings up a good point about it being weird that the rolefishing stuff is only just coming up now, and the "analyzer" business you discussed was not at all consistent with your earlier posting in the thread, making it seem like something you made up on the spot to deflect PC's criticism. You also say that nobody really jumped on the PC wagon so you didn't push it, but multiple people besides you/PC voted him around that time so I certainly don't buy that.

In general you come off as someone who isn't properly showing their thought processes, and you play it off by suggesting we should all just know what you're thinking. That's not a super healthy dynamic to bring to the thread, and it feels anti-town.

What are you even talking about the rolefishing stuff 'only coming up now'? It's been two days and only 9 pages into the game. To say something from the early game is suddenly 'whoa, that's from so long ago, why is it suddenly a concern' is preposterous.

The people who jumped on the wagon were Dave and yessiree. I was hoping they saw the same thing I did, but neither of them voted for the same reason I did.

And no one jumped on after me.

By people jumping onto the wagon, I mean for the rolefishing. Which is what we were talking about. And we even had people say they liked the 'rolefishing' posts with no real rebuttal, which, once again, makes me think people were mostly okay with those posts.

I didn't say you should all know what I'm thinking. I even said people can ask. But there hasn't been much for me to comment on, because I don't find a lot of the discussion or what's happened alignment indicative.

What do you mean by worst-faith readings of each other?

[StraightFlush]

You're all over the place right now, your response to Smiley seems to confirm that you're making up reasons to hound PC as you go along.

How so?

A lot of your responses to PC's individual comments have been needlessly antagonistic, especially in the last page and a half, and it feeds into my earlier concern about worst-faith readings of each other. Smiley brings up a good point about it being weird that the rolefishing stuff is only just coming up now, and the "analyzer" business you discussed was not at all consistent with your earlier posting in the thread, making it seem like something you made up on the spot to deflect PC's criticism. You also say that nobody really jumped on the PC wagon so you didn't push it, but multiple people besides you/PC voted him around that time so I certainly don't buy that.

In general you come off as someone who isn't properly showing their thought processes, and you play it off by suggesting we should all just know what you're thinking. That's not a super healthy dynamic to bring to the thread, and it feels anti-town.

What are you even talking about the rolefishing stuff 'only coming up now'? It's been two days and only 9 pages into the game. To say something from the early game is suddenly 'whoa, that's from so long ago, why is it suddenly a concern' is preposterous.

The people who jumped on the wagon were Dave and yessiree. I was hoping they saw the same thing I did, but neither of them voted for the same reason I did.

And no one jumped on after me.

By people jumping onto the wagon, I mean for the rolefishing. Which is what we were talking about. And we even had people say they liked the 'rolefishing' posts with no real rebuttal, which, once again, makes me think people were mostly okay with those posts.

I didn't say you should all know what I'm thinking. I even said people can ask. But there hasn't been much for me to comment on, because I don't find a lot of the discussion or what's happened alignment indicative.

What do you mean by worst-faith readings of each other?

I'm not saying "woah, that's from so long ago" about anything, that's disingenuous. The point is that it should've been discussed earlier instead of getting dredged up during a separate spat. Am I used to faster games where D1 would be done by now? Yes. Is that really coming into play here? No.

That's a silly perspective to have about the wagon. People can be on the same wagon with different reasons for it. Just because you were the last one aboard before it fizzled out doesn't mean it was a non-starter.

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By worst-faith I mean that if I put myself in your shoes whilst talking with PC, I would probably be less standoffish, regardless of how suspicious I'd be about PC's thread behavior. I would have to make a conscious effort to react the way you reacted to his retorts, which makes me read it as contrived and anti-town.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not saying "woah, that's from so long ago" about anything, that's disingenuous. The point is that it should've been discussed earlier instead of getting dredged up during a separate spat. Am I used to faster games where D1 would be done by now? Yes. Is that really coming into play here? No.

That's a silly perspective to have about the wagon. People can be on the same wagon with different reasons for it. Just because you were the last one aboard before it fizzled out doesn't mean it was a non-starter.

snip

By worst-faith I mean that if I put myself in your shoes whilst talking with PC, I would probably be less standoffish, regardless of how suspicious I'd be about PC's thread behavior. I would have to make a conscious effort to react the way you reacted to his retorts, which makes me read it as contrived and anti-town.

Then what is your point about it being brought up now rather than later? Could it have been brought up earlier? Perhaps. But I was on V/LA (still am actually) and no one else seemed interested in the topic otherwise we would have had a discussion there already (see smiley for having brought up the topic before me).

I never called the wagon a non-starter.

Okay. Put yourself in my shoes then. Tell me how you would've handled his continuous attempts at attempted to paint me as scummy until something sticks.