Sad. I think Jups logic is wrong but I love the spirit. My thing with halfasleep is that that they post a bunch of reasoning, formatted and everything and when questioned about it further they then use their experience as a sort of buffer. They didn’t seem too worried about it before then. I can expand further but I’m walking as I type and don’t wanna smack into someone
"Am I a ghost like you, caught between the seams of two intertwining melodies?"
I think it's a little odd he'd suggest I was following him on ming and kay considering i'm pretty sure I was getting on both their cases before he posted that list. but broadly I think his thoughts look plausibly real to me i don't think he's just trying to hide in jackson's shadow here.
and for what it's worth the difference between jake and jupiter isn't evidence-based or anything. different people give different vibes doing similar things i don't know what to tell you
In post 229, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Sad. I think Jups logic is wrong but I love the spirit. My thing with halfasleep is that that they post a bunch of reasoning, formatted and everything and when questioned about it further they then use their experience as a sort of buffer. They didn’t seem too worried about it before then. I can expand further but I’m walking as I type and don’t wanna smack into someone
i don't think it's terribly contradictary to be very engaged in my first game and also not confident in my thoughts. i mainly made the effortpost hoping to attract better players back to the thread with more useful posts. figured it would be fine even if i was being loudly wrong of it moved the game. it, uh, kinda worked i think?
In post 229, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Sad. I think Jups logic is wrong but I love the spirit. My thing with halfasleep is that that they post a bunch of reasoning, formatted and everything and when questioned about it further they then use their experience as a sort of buffer. They didn’t seem too worried about it before then. I can expand further but I’m walking as I type and don’t wanna smack into someone
i don't think it's terribly contradictary to be very engaged in my first game and also not confident in my thoughts. i mainly made the effortpost hoping to attract better players back to the thread with more useful posts. figured it would be fine even if i was being loudly wrong of it moved the game. it, uh, kinda worked i think?
this reasoning is why i said id rather treat you as town for now
my initial gut reaction to your posting was admittedly that it felt like scum working to get townread. and i do understand people having that read on it
but i think it's generally pro-town play and does help move the game forward which is necessary right now, so i think it's better to encourage that and revisit later if necessary
and since then i think the bit about the jake and jupiter reads being different because vibes is actually pretty towny
honestly a mainly vibes-based read but tbh the vibes are off. a high-handed attitude, 'scumreading' players based on jokes or failing arbitrary tests, gives the impression that he wants to steer the direction of the game but none of his thoughts look real to me sorry.
KayJayQueue:
much softer read than above but got bad vibes from her defensive attitude when i poked her a little. that poke was based on her vote looking like it was following ming's opinion but my gut is saying they're probably not partnered so i'm doubting this a lot even as i type it lol.
NEUTRAL:
JupiterXV:
iso looks surprisingly good despite the number of filler/joke posts. every post engaging with the game looks pretty reasonable to me. might just be biased though since we seem to share some reads so bleh.
fireisredsir:
i got absolutely nothing here. post more imo.
JacksonVirgo:
same as above
Purplemango:
same as above times two. please post, people.
TOWN-ISH:
Jake The Wolfie:
i find his (thus far) non-contributing posting style irritating but i think he looks more like town playing his own game and keeping his cards hidden while not caring if he's annoying anyone, than scum just trying to be unhelpful.
Black:
hasn't said all that much yet but all her posts look good to me. every post after RVS have been pretty solid questions that look like sincere attempts to poke reactions out of them to read them better. also she went for me in RVS which is great because i love attention. heavily biased townread.
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
In post 218, JupiterXV wrote:
I think that the read on Kay is weird and that none of Kay's behavior thus far has been strictly alignment-indicative, and the fact that they think Jake could be town for doing nothing at all but thinking that I'm neutral for also doing nothing is strange.
The reads definitely feel a little forced, like she made them only because I told her to. I actually think this is NAI because it's so early into the game; townies would perhaps not hesitate to say that they don't have conclusive reads, but just as likely they would force some reads because it's pro-town behavior.
On the other hand, I buy JacksonVirgo's newbcard argument more. halfasleep has definitely been posting in a way that's different than what would be expected from a newbie and it feels off
In post 236, awesomeming327 wrote:
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
you don't have to say 'bordering' they basically are gutreads. and i didn't call your reasoning weak i called it fake and i think you're pretending not to know that. and yes, that's a gutread too sue me.
In post 236, awesomeming327 wrote:
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
you don't have to say 'bordering' they basically are gutreads. and i didn't call your reasoning weak i called it fake and i think you're pretending not to know that. and yes, that's a gutread too sue me.
????????????????????????? VOTE: halfasleep
You do not need to die on this hill lmao
In post 236, awesomeming327 wrote:
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
you don't have to say 'bordering' they basically are gutreads. and i didn't call your reasoning weak i called it fake and i think you're pretending not to know that. and yes, that's a gutread too sue me.
????????????????????????? VOTE: halfasleep
You do not need to die on this hill lmao
Do you actually think she's scum or are you just insulted?
In post 236, awesomeming327 wrote:
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
you don't have to say 'bordering' they basically are gutreads. and i didn't call your reasoning weak i called it fake and i think you're pretending not to know that. and yes, that's a gutread too sue me.
????????????????????????? VOTE: halfasleep
You do not need to die on this hill lmao
i don't think blind tit-for-tat is a particularly effective way to play this game but live your truth i guess
In post 180, halfasleep wrote:
calling these jokey-ass posts 'appeals to emotion' (i assume that's what we mean here) just looks like scum opportunism tbh. would town really take these seriously?
In post 183, halfasleep wrote:
ok well i guess i'd define opportunism in the context of this game as
scum looking for excuses in town-players posts to pretend to scumread them
for. obviously it's hard to sort that from just 'opinion i disagree with' it's just
based on how real the thought process looks to me
. you could just say i'm wrong without rudely suggesting i don't understand the words i'm using.
honestly a mainly vibes-based read but tbh the vibes are off. a high-handed attitude, 'scumreading' players based on jokes or failing arbitrary tests, gives the impression that he wants to steer the direction of the game but
none of his thoughts look real to me
sorry.
In post 236, awesomeming327 wrote:
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
sorry i'm struggling to see how you'd misread these posts as just calling your reads bad. i've been clear multiple times about how your posts look to me and i don't think it's crazy of me to conclude that you're deliberately ignoring what i'm actually saying. i don't think you're being honest in the way you're engaging with me here and i'm sorry if that's tilting you i guess.
In post 218, JupiterXV wrote:
I think that the read on Kay is weird and that none of Kay's behavior thus far has been strictly alignment-indicative, and the fact that they think Jake could be town for doing nothing at all but thinking that I'm neutral for also doing nothing is strange.
The reads definitely feel a little forced, like she made them only because I told her to. I actually think this is NAI because it's so early into the game; townies would perhaps not hesitate to say that they don't have conclusive reads, but just as likely they would force some reads because it's pro-town behavior.
On the other hand, I buy JacksonVirgo's newbcard argument more. halfasleep has definitely been posting in a way that's different than what would be expected from a newbie and it feels off
What the problem with giving reads early/based on gut reads? Its better then nothing, i don't think she now gonna stay with all of the reads to the entire time or something, and it did help to make the game more active
This post look weird in my mind but i don't i don't know why, please tell me if its not understandable
In post 180, halfasleep wrote:
calling these jokey-ass posts 'appeals to emotion' (i assume that's what we mean here) just looks like scum opportunism tbh. would town really take these seriously?
In post 183, halfasleep wrote:
ok well i guess i'd define opportunism in the context of this game as
scum looking for excuses in town-players posts to pretend to scumread them
for. obviously it's hard to sort that from just 'opinion i disagree with' it's just
based on how real the thought process looks to me
. you could just say i'm wrong without rudely suggesting i don't understand the words i'm using.
honestly a mainly vibes-based read but tbh the vibes are off. a high-handed attitude, 'scumreading' players based on jokes or failing arbitrary tests, gives the impression that he wants to steer the direction of the game but
none of his thoughts look real to me
sorry.
In post 236, awesomeming327 wrote:
Looking at this readlist, your reasons are not much stronger than mine were. Almost every single one of these is bordering on gutread.
sorry i'm struggling to see how you'd misread these posts as just calling your reads bad. i've been clear multiple times about how your posts look to me and i don't think it's crazy of me to conclude that you're deliberately ignoring what i'm actually saying. i don't think you're being honest in the way you're engaging with me here and i'm sorry if that's tilting you i guess.
I did not misread the posts. You clearly implied that my read was bad. Your entire argument was based on the fact that you think that the posts I pointed out were not deserving of a scumread. If you do not agree on that premise that my read was bad your entire argument literally falls apart. I am not deliberately ignoring what you are saying and you need to stop saying that, it’s not healthy for discussion and it’s annoying me. That said, I cannot attack your reasoning that my read seemed not genuine without first addressing the underlying assumption that the read was bad. Also, my post was most definitely not opportunist in any way. I was not taking advantage of the opportunity that the AtE gave me, I was simply trying to move discussion to a more productive place by making the best read I could come up with on the spot. The entire thing with making you post reads is to show how difficult is it to make a good early read and the importance of not accusing the first read that comes up of being scum trying to “steer” and rather as a chance to get out of RVS.
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