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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:35 am

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Kage do you think CSF is gonna die today
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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:46 am

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So evidence of Gimli-town

The main thing I saw as I was catching up re: Gimli was that his primary focus was on obtaining reads and reaching a satisfying solve

I think the progression up to is very much categorical of how town-Gimli plays the game - he worked his way towards a solve he was happy with and his entire play is oriented around the reads he has presented and their strength.

I think his progression from voting Dragon in to crossing him off again in is telling. He puts pressure on Dragon, gets into the AtE argument with him briefly while repeating that he's going to do a proper catch-up later, and then... does said proper catch-up in the 40 minutes between 210 and 238, concluding that Dragon's town.

The whole interaction is really pointless if Gimli is scum, unless the argument is that Gimli and Dragon are scum together. This is what actual working through something in-the-moment looks like, as opposed to presenting thoughts that one wants to be picked up on and townread for.

I think Gimli's flip-flopping on whether KJQ is likely town or not is very clearly town-indicative. I think you can clearly track how he sees KJQ and see that it lines up with actual thought on whether KJQ has the potential to be scum in this game. Like Dragon, he comes to the conclusion that KJQ is likely to just be town.

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I'm about a third of the way through Gimli's ISO and I feel like I'm going to continue saying variants of the same thing. Overall I think Gimli's objective is primarily getting an accurate solve of the game and wrapping it up. It's energy that I frequently resonate with as town particularly in Micros (I seem to be doing it right now), and it's done pretty flatly in a way that doesn't naturally draw many townreads (which is the opposite of Gimli's usual scum approach).

I'm getting bored but let me know if you want any more of this Hu
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:11 am

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Why do you think Hu Tao needs to town read you?
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:15 am

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Because Hu is town and if today does not end in a scum elimination then Hu scumreading me is a problem
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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:22 am

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I think she's not gonna participate in day 2 lol
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:22 am

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I think this reminds me of your scum game but I've never seen you play town
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:22 am

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That I can remember
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Post Post #1107 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:35 am

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Do you have any thoughts on May, Klick
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:28 am

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I think there are four viable potential scum and she's one of them
I have a very poor grasp on what kind of player she is
She vaguely gives the impression that she's good enough at scum that simple tells wouldn't really work on her
Nothing has me leaning one way or the other atm really

I'm intrigued by someone feeling familiar with my scum game but not my town game
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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:42 am

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I'm not any better at reading May I just pretend to
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:43 am

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if I'm honest Klick your play thus far is much more in line with what I expect from scum!you than town!you, you seem less relaxed (or like, more careful?) in your posting than I'm used to and I know you've talked about having anxiety playing scum in recent years
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:49 am

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:(
I like Klick I don't want her to be scum
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:51 am

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VOTE: Klick
I scumread Alianna.

ALL HAIL THE SCUM QUEEN!
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:53 am

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I am significantly more anxious as scum than as town, that is accurate
I also feel anxious in this game

There are a few reasons I'm anxious with this game in particular

1. I think you're pretty likely to be scum and I fear you, but I also fear being wrong about that
2. Outside of that in particular, I'm uncomfortable with the synergy between what the players in this game value and what I provide to a game of Mafia
3. I am most relaxed playing a game from the start and creating things to analyse; combined with the above, I feel like I've stepped into a well-developed gamestate with important dynamics already in place and I don't really want to disrupt what has already developed
4. Probably a fair amount of IRL anxiety bleeding in
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:56 am

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Do you still think Kage is scum, klick? Who's the fourth possible scum?
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:01 am

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I think there's two scum in {Kage, Dann, May, Black}
I think {Drew, Hu Tao, CSF, JacksonVirgo} is all town

Kage and Dann are the two players I feel *scummy* about and I think they make sense as a team
If that's wrong, May and Black are essentially PoE for me
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:02 am

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I have gone back to check Dragon a couple times upon prompting from the recent conversation around it but I'm unconvinced that Dragon isn't just town off of the conversation he and Gimli had
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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 am

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In post 1099, Duelist Kage wrote:
In post 1080, Hu Tao wrote: Klick > Kage imo
Instructions unclear. Is that saying you want to vote out Klick over me here, or saying you want to vote Klick today and me tomorrow?
Klick is the preferred vote
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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:06 am

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In post 1104, May wrote: I think she's not gonna participate in day 2 lol
Naur. Doc be on me please 🙏
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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:07 am

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In post 1110, Dannflor wrote: if I'm honest Klick your play thus far is much more in line with what I expect from scum!you than town!you, you seem less relaxed (or like, more careful?) in your posting than I'm used to and I know you've talked about having anxiety playing scum in recent years
Then why is no one voting Klick. Idgi
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:07 am

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I'm less convinced of Dann!scum than I have represented thus far
Dann was half-right when he said I really want to catch him; it's less that I want to *be right* on him, and more that I feel an emphasised read there is necessary if a hypothetically accurate Dann!scum wagon was going to succeed today

Dann's reaction to the pressure on both Dann and Kage has me leaning scum on him more
I feel like everything he has posted lately has overtly, conveniently been designed for the purpose of making the vote today not land on Dann or Kage
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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:07 am

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Dragon was towny and drew is towny. Idk why anyone would vote that right now.
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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:10 am

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In post 1081, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1074, Klick wrote: Living to Day 2 means being in 5-2 instead of 6-1 which is good for obvious reasons
I do not get why that’s good

That’s not limlo
I feel like this is dodging the point

I feel like in a Dann/Kage scumteam, Kage getting voted out today is a loss condition for them and Dann knows it
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:10 am

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It does feel difficult to get a sustained Kage wagon going. Every time someone votes, I get excited but then it peters out again
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:12 am

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In post 1123, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: It does feel difficult to get a sustained Kage wagon going. Every time someone votes, I get excited but then it peters out again
I was planning on quickhammering Kage if she got to E-1 earlier today :P

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