Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[Von Payne]

Also I would love to talk Silver Ravens and Dan as well, two slots flying a bit under the radar imo

I kinda expected more out of Gif personally

But I want to hear our guests opinions before I say more

[Catgirl Chipotle]

I mean Kyoto is next then it’s just 1 of sunflower, Dan, silver

[Catgirl Chipotle]

I don’t see how we lose this game
Enchant is town
Prism town
Von Payne town
Ydra probs town
I’m town

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Like to me this is auto lol

[Catgirl Chipotle]

I think the last one might be sunflower btw

[Catgirl Chipotle]

That’s just what immediately makes sense to me

[Von Payne]

I think the last one might be sunflower btw

Explain sunflower though

[Catgirl Chipotle]

Ya so I’m not going to do that…

[Von Payne]

Ya so I’m not going to do that…

Why not?

[Von Payne]

Ya so I’m not going to do that…

Why not?

Any opinions on Ravens while we are at it

Directed to everyone if not clear

[Von Payne]

Thank you for holding down the fort Gentleman Drew

I'm gonna try to tackle my aforementioned agenda before Night is over

Try key word

[Sunflower]

ok i took some time to refresh myself on prism's scumplay and read through some notes pts and i think i did generally have the right impression of how she likes to approach things

i still don't really think i have a case exactly but i will share my thought process at least

[morph the cat]

Night Actions are due in (expired on 2024-03-23 21:00:00)

[Sunflower]

sigh nevermind i don't think i was right my bad

[Sunflower]

eh maybe there's something actually

[Sunflower]

i feel like whenever i post like this people hate me for it. sorry lmao. ill get to the point

[Sunflower]

the loyal viewers at home are NOT gonna like that this is how i ended up spending my time after their complaints about my gimli dive on season 1

but you know what viewers

we got invited on this show, not you. sit down

[Sunflower]

i miss jupiter :<

[Sunflower]

i miss jupiter :<

awwww didnt know you cared that much

[Sunflower]

omg hi

[Sunflower]

yeah nevermind again sigh i don't think it's prism. or at least if it is, this isn't how she gets caught

the short version of what i was going to say is:

- prism is a very strategy and long-term planning heavy scum player, which is a style that i try to do less successfully, and so i am aware of some of the potential pitfalls of this style. especially when it comes to planning out read progressions on players well in advance

- it felt like there was some potential that she was dropping some crumbs of thought process that felt a little too intentionally placed, as if they were meant to be picked up again later -- and more importantly, they were

- the point that initially sparked my attention was in 571 where she townread catgirls but dropped a little line of "unless Ravens is scum, but we won't worry about that yet" and now hey she's scumreading Ravens and that has opened her up to be allowed to scumread catgirls. that in combination with her comment about cutting out every word that felt excessive just made me doubt that she really would have slipped that conditional in there unless she was already aware of how she was planning to progress her read on the slot

- the dragon read also felt like it followed a very neat trajectory while also having that trajectory fairly telegraphed early on, and i think in general the approach of "scumread player who can later become obvtown early on" is just a pattern that i have seen time and time again from strong scum players


but i think on closer analysis this doesn't really hold up as much as i thought it might. tracking through the read progressions there's several that dip and fluctuate in a way that doesn't feel like it's following a clear planned story arc, and instead seem more naturally based on new evaluations of the game. there are a couple of what feel like breadcrumbs of future thought progressions, but not enough to conclusively say it's a pattern, and they're plausible enough that they would show up as town despite my initial feeling about them

and although i got slightly excited about the possibility here, i think that it still holds for me that particularly in the second half of the game so far, she's felt more like what i expect her town approach to be

there is a part of me that still believes in the possibility that i caught a glimpse of something correct here but i think it's more productive to continue what i was originally doing before i got distracted and reread focusing on how people played around aureal

[Sunflower]

i think that regardless i would very much like to hear the more detailed explanation of prism's catgirls read

[Sunflower]

alright yeah i think gimli's town sorry gimli

the play around aureal doesn't fit at all with the model i was working with of what scum!gimli would want to be doing here

and also just reading d1 again with fresh eyes meh i think it is just kinda like town gimli

[Sunflower]

would like to hear from people who townread gimli slot but scumread catgirls if they have any thoughts about 1692

[Sunflower]

i think that page 27 is where things will start to get very interesting regarding aureal given klick's 649 and the scum nk on klick

a few people had kind of been dancing around the edge of a scumread on aureal (gimli continually has her just at the edge of his poe and not quite in voting range but i think that the casing of her felt convincing enough that it doesn't feel partnered to me)

i think seeing how they respond to a ramping up of a push on aureal will be really telling

however i am falling asleep so i will look at that tomorrow