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VLA until Monday like in signups

VOTE: Snow

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Hu Tao and Wisp town. Dave and Naerys sus.

Dave sus bc whiteknight. Naerys likely fake suspicion.

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VOTE: Dave

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This is true. Yet you voted me, how come?

To generate information.

What have you learned?

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Dave sus bc whiteknight.

What from me did you perceive as defending someone else?

This is true. Yet you voted me, how come?

To generate information.

What have you learned?

How is it that Titus pushed Dave for being whiteknight, and then did not respond to a direct legit question, but pushed Dave on a different issue?
VOTE: Titus

I figured that Dave quoted the wrong post as that doesn't seem related or plausible for Dave not to view his post as defending me. It's just not credible.

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Right now, my initial callout is Snow Naerys geratim and Dave.

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My theory cannot be 100% right but individually they all look like dave partners.

Naerys and Dave have a fake conversation around me and Naerys throws random shade about me and geratim being on both wagons.

Geratim hasn't said much but is sheeping wagons.

Snow (weakest read) bails on the wagon to attack it's starter based on a random non-seqitur suggesting little faith in the wagon.

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Titus's vote isn't much more than a RVS, in fact it might be exactly that. I'd call that NAI.

In what universe is this not a defense?

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Inb4 wisp is town and davesaz is scum.

Inb4 reading

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Back off vla

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I still think one of Naerys, Kay and Oblivion is scum for their response to the Snow wagon. And Naerys is the only one of those three who commented on it (when she complained about my mocking tone).

I tried to pick a fight with Naerys, but unfortunately she declined to give me one.

Bold of you to accuse 3 people that aren’t currently voting for you when you only need 3 more votes to get hammered. Thats fun, I like it.

So do I.

White knight is easy.

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I may be a bit slower bc work catchup though.

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Hey game is dead. Wonder why? Wisp is prolly town.

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VOTE: Naeyrs

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Hey game is dead. Wonder why? Wisp is prolly town.

Gonna have to look at this post back is wisp flips town

why not dave being town too?

Possible, hence why vote change. I still like my davesaz scumread though.

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VOTE: davesaz

If Naeyrs is a dead wagon, going back to my own choice.

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VOTE: davesaz

If Naeyrs is a dead wagon, going back to my own choice.

why not murder tree?

Who?

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I don't see why to.

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VOTE: Nas

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NaS gives 0 info going into the night for night actions regardless of his alignment.

Not even based on how the wagon grew?

Nope

Just because you don't learn doesn't mean others can't.

This is a likely town fallacy.

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Could use a VC.

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I had a similar view as NaS, so I feel for that in some respects. I don't feel super confident this game either. That doesn't mean not throwing out a gut feeling.

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It's prior experience with NAS is that NAS does not appear to be willing to offer much information in general, but it did see NAS play as scum and it wonders if this doesn't look slightly different? It feels... like a full model is escaping it but a partial model suggests this version of NAS is less defensive in nature.

Does it think NaS is town or scum? I am having trouble following.

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Realistically we have today

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Ok. I see we did that. Haven't caught up but unless there's a good reason, I'm annoyed.

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I am outvoted and real life stopped me from objecting and some town likely need it. My way isn't the only way.

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In what world am I the top read?

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I haven't changed my mind but I am wanting to give Ranger a chance if wrong. Dave Snow works for me.

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@Kay, A hood doesn't mean more information. Why do you think so?

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Ranger, I think Snow is very likely scum. Can't follow that. Nor do I follow your gypyx/Thom reada

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VOTE: Naerys

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Ranger, vote Naerys with me

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I think ranger is gonna be the Elim

Acceptable but not preferred. Dave was sus and Ranger's reads (mostly) are bad. I would prefer to work with bussing though.

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why are you voting together with Ranger then titus

Because I have more faith in Naerys being scum. However if no traction in a bit, I will move. Shocked how static the game is.

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There are so many inactives/not voting that I'm worried. It may be all active players got around to Dave scum but slots like Snow are more obvious since Ranger subbed in. Maybe it's budding from Ranger.

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*Snow and Naerys

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I low key kind of want to pivot to Snow..

VOTE: Snow

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let's stay on ranger until it's clear it's not doable

Why?

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let's stay on ranger until it's clear it's not doable

I don't like Random Nurse.

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VOTE: Ranger

We can do Ranger now. Ranger's response to me voting Snow was horrible. Ranger sees Gypyx and Thomlith won't be divided so she's moving them up her reads list.

Ranger, the difference between you and Willow is my townreads are active and people are posting now. If you think my theory on Wisp also applies to you, who are the scum that don't give a damn.

Frankly, it's easy to post a series of names gradually moving people where you want them to be over time with no reasoning.

When you do post reasons, they are clearly bad.

Ranger Snow +1 inactive calling it

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I feel like I’m defending myself for trying to play the game.

What a coincidence, so am I!

My argument in part is that the wagon on me, with no counterwagon, is

deliberately designed to prevent players from playing the game

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It warps the game around me and makes the game entirely about me.

I didn’t sign up for that, nor did I cause it. My efforts have consistently been to

dissuade

that gamestate, as there’s never anything good to come from focusing entirely on one player.

My question to you is

why have my efforts failed?

Why is the game entirely still about me?

I certainly would prefer it otherwise!

So why do I remain the sole focus of players

despite

my efforts?

It’s almost like me remaining the focus is beneficial to scum.

I know which alignment that implies for me.

I've made this exact rant as scum.

Also, side eye on the claim

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Yes lets vote claimed pr no matter that this slot will sort itself in a night or two
Awesome logic,my faith in this town goes under the zero

scum vig exists, this solves kinda nothing

Scum vig cannot be in normals. It's banned.

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Basically snow / titus / davesaz, even if forgiving their inactivity, were all lacking proactivity, and almost never talked to each other? Like, titus sent a few conversations, but that was basically 5 posts in total

You have me as scum with my scumreads. :/

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nuh uh

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lex_Normal

So we're in a complex normal then?

Still not buying Ranger's claim regardless. I lived through a large where two scum had 2 kpn and vigs banned after. Guess I never reviewed the change.

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yeah

I have been picking between my SRs to vote and you think I am scum for not talking to them when I was IRL slow?

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your push of Snow / dave absolutely doesn't warrant ruling out the fact that it could be a scum strategy to create distance

*pats you* If you think that this is how I treat my partners, you haven't dealt with scum me.

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Ok. Welp. We can bitch about your read on me being wrong or we can lim scum together. I pick the latter.

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Titus could be scum I guess but idk

If you think Ranger is scum, why are you not voting there?

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that was just a jokey way of saying that it's a towny post girl, not me criticizing you

Well, maybe to get you started somewhere, what's your opinion on Naerys? I feel like it's a pretty polarizing slot

Outside my town world for awhile.

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I should do a readwall but bleh allergies

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I'll ditto this

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I want Snow or PenguinPower today.

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If Snow is town, the hood is almost certaonly clean now.

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Naerys could be. I want to review Ranger before voting.

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I am ill. Vla today.

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VOTE: Psyche

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Sheep me please.

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I could be convinced yeah

Ok. Whatcha need?

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*dayvigs Random Nurse*