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[Ranger]

Either scum are delaying or are comfortable. But here is the thing. There is suddenly an upshooting of possible wagons off Ranger now that Ranger is tryharding. It is almost as if the scum team got an injection of motivation with a replacement player.

Almost like they were threatened by a shift in the gamestate and are worried it’s no longer comfortable.

Offing me rids them of an inconvenience in their preferences.

[Ranger]

It is almost as if the scum team got an injection of motivation with a replacement player.

Is that accurate? If the scum team includes Ranger and she’s pretty likely to be limmed, wouldn’t a motivated team be aiding in this somehow? Unless I’ve overlooked some posts, I can always go back and reread but it currently seems like everyone is at least content with the Ranger vote. That is slightly worrying to me. Does anyone else have an opinion on lack of counter? Is this just paranoia?

No. That’s critical thinking.

I know who the scum are killing once I flip town.

[Ranger]

Have you been paying attention to the manner in which Ranger carries herself? It has. Ranger is the type to go into a scum chat and tell them she is the best scum player in the world, and that she will never die today if they don't bus, and direct them and give them a game plan.

Though I’ve no idea what a scum Ranger would do, I’m quite certain that isn’t it.

My philosophy carries into scum PTs. I don’t plan, I just do.

Perhaps you’re confusing me with someone else?

[KayJayQueue]

I feel like I should disengage with this for awhile while I reread the last few pages. You’re making me feel like I’m an idiot and maybe it’s lack of sleep but I’m feeling a bit out of my depth right now. I feel like I’m defending myself for trying to play the game. I think I was even the most vocal about letting you catch up on your reads too. I was very eager for your input especially since Dave didn’t really give me a ton to go off of. I guess I’m just not used to a play style like yours and I’ll have to adjust to it.

[Ranger]

In essence? Ranger is try harding and the gamestate is warping around her as a result. It views the manner in which the gamestate is warping to be scum driven,

Well I certainly agree with this take.

Almost like it carries an implication you’re deliberately ignoring.

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[Ranger]

I feel like I’m defending myself for trying to play the game.

What a coincidence, so am I!

My argument in part is that the wagon on me, with no counterwagon, is

deliberately designed to prevent players from playing the game

.

It warps the game around me and makes the game entirely about me.

I didn’t sign up for that, nor did I cause it. My efforts have consistently been to

dissuade

that gamestate, as there’s never anything good to come from focusing entirely on one player.

My question to you is

why have my efforts failed?

Why is the game entirely still about me?

I certainly would prefer it otherwise!

So why do I remain the sole focus of players

despite

my efforts?

It’s almost like me remaining the focus is beneficial to scum.

I know which alignment that implies for me.

[Ranger]

I was very eager for your input especially since Dave didn’t really give me a ton to go off of. I guess I’m just not used to a play style like yours and I’ll have to adjust to it.

Perhaps you could look at the input I gave, then?

I gave page by page changes in my reads.

Did any stick out to you? Did you even

look

at them?

I gave a basic summary of my reads after I got to my replace-in spot. Did you read my rundown of each slot?

I work best by letting players engage with my content, and elaborating on it when they do.

So why is the engagement so low?

People wanted contributions from my slot.

I gave them

. So why are they pretending I haven’t?

[Ranger]

Ranger can you please give explanations for these reads more than just names in a list?

I explain the changes when engaged on them.

As for explaining the reads, you apparently need a read yourself.

[Oblivion]

You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems like

an unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving

.

I do find it slightly odd that

there hasn’t been any kind of real counter wagon

. That might be my only hesitation currently.

Perhaps consider the contradiction behind the bolded.

To be more explicit;

You cannot seriously claim there’s been solving while also ignoring there’s no counterwagon, half the game isn’t voting, and

no critical analysis of the votes given has been provided

.

Have you looked at the reason for Random Nurse's revote of me?

How about Oblivion?

How about Titus?

Did you look at those reasons for voting and think, "this is valid, this seems to track, I have no disagreements with this"?

I’m willing to bet you didn’t.

So if you didn’t have that thought...

...Where's the alleged effort into solving?

Writing this and then quoting 3 of my accusations at you and "refuting" them with "no, u" is the ultimate in hypocracy, it thinks.

You're accusing it of not solving, of not having reasons for its take, you even go so far as to insinuate the logic it is using should somehow be used to see you as town meaning you AGREE WITH SOME OF ITS ASSESSMENT, only to also accuse it of not making any assessment.

You are flailing, using any words you think will save you at this point, any argument that might stick to the wall you will throw. It has become somewhat obvious because nothing you are saying is refuting my world view, it doesn't begin to engage with me to convince me otherwise. You are writing things to convince other people with very little content, and not to change its mind.

That is scum positioning play, not town attempting to clear themselves.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{Gypyx, Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P32

Well, I just did an entire page and a half of readslists with nobody else contributing.

Wrapping up here; it's both where I replaced in and fairly late.

I realize you'll likely want explanations

, review of the later pages, current reflections, etc.

As usual,

the most effective way to ask me about a read trajectory is to ask me what changed a read on a specific page

. For instance, what changed between 31 and 31, what changed between 23 and 24, etc.

Falling asleep now, be back tomorrow.

I very strongly believe this is Hu Tao as scum. Let me ask you; have you see Hu Tao give a single read other than "davesaz/Ranger scum"?
Does this match your experience with Hu Tao as town?
It doesn't match mine.

Hu Tao as town gives some of the most thorough indepth analysis a town player can give; this Hu Tao has one single read repeated ad nauseum since the beginning of the game.

I literally told you how to engage with me here.

[Oblivion]

Also, can you not quote strip everything it writes into three separate posts? Write 3 posts if you have to, but if it gets triple pinged again it is going to lose its mind.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697, KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Gypyx, Random Nurse, Thomith}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}
{Naerys}

This is my starting point rn, loosely speaking.

PenguinPower's vibes are lean town.
The tier below is loosely 'lean town, yet need to reconsider'. Titus I don't remember why, yet something made me doubt my townread there and I need to find what. Oblivion, I'm somewhat doubting my townread there, pending whether Oblivion itself is obnoxious. Snow vibes as town yet not as strongly, I'm second guessing. KayJayQueue is actually unaffected; the others got demoted to the KayJayQueue level of before.

The next tier is loosely 'lean scum, yet need to reconsider'. geraintm feels like he should be lower, but I'm not sure how much lower than Random Nurse who also feels low. And Gypyx and Thomith are keystone players. If they're both scum, it affects who is town/scum dramatically; if they're both town, it affects who is scum/town drastically. Depending on their alignment we get potentially two entirely different solves.

Lycanfire's content feels a little lackluster. On the one hand I feel his reads are very good, and he is certainly making efforts to work with me, and these are traits which mean even were he scum I'd not want to eliminate him. On the other hand, he's a skilled enough scum player to make readslists which look good and the effort to work with me isn't clearing as much as I would love it to be. I

want

him to be town, I really really WANT him to be town, but he vibes as scum to me.

Hu Tao's vastly underperforming her talents as town. Vastly. A one-dimensional tunnel on my slot is far beneath her capacities as town.

Starting P6 now.

I also gave a full breakdown of every slot at the beginning, as well as providing clarifiers as I went.

I could have sworn I did another follow through after finishing rehashing these, although it’s possible I was planning it as a final post after responding to Lycan and the site downtime prevented me from it.

[Ranger]

Don’t accuse me of not explaining when the actual issue lies in not reading what I did.

[Lycanfire]

Ranger, if you're town you need to back it up. Getting into large quotes with the people in the thread hasn't dissauded them so far from sussing you.

You've said your piece and they've said their own. Unless you GTH think they're surescum, please pivot to your scumreads. Something new is needed.

This isn't about what is fair or right. It's about what is needed to redeem your slot.

I have misgivings about your slot. I'll go into them if you want. What I'm trying to say is that there are valid reasons to sus you, and you need to go about this a different way.

[Oblivion]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{Gypyx, Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P32

Well, I just did an entire page and a half of readslists with nobody else contributing.

Wrapping up here; it's both where I replaced in and fairly late.

I realize you'll likely want explanations

, review of the later pages, current reflections, etc.

As usual,

the most effective way to ask me about a read trajectory is to ask me what changed a read on a specific page

. For instance, what changed between 31 and 31, what changed between 23 and 24, etc.

Falling asleep now, be back tomorrow.

I very strongly believe this is Hu Tao as scum. Let me ask you; have you see Hu Tao give a single read other than "davesaz/Ranger scum"?
Does this match your experience with Hu Tao as town?
It doesn't match mine.

Hu Tao as town gives some of the most thorough indepth analysis a town player can give; this Hu Tao has one single read repeated ad nauseum since the beginning of the game.

I literally told you how to engage with me here.

You live in a faerie tale if you believe that it is going to do that. Consider that is has placed considerable effort into trying to care about this game, trying to read two slots whose posts it does not enjoy reading and has consequently come out with two reads on those slots it feels comfortable in.

It isn't its job to then decide "well actually, let it try and re-read Ranger in the way Ranger feels most comfortable". It is your job to convince it that you are town by coming to its table and engaging with it in the ways it is comfortable.

Or you can continue to just quote strip posts and making baseless claims that are clearly intended to petition outward not inward. If you've decided that you'll never change its mind, so be it but that is how scum approach the game. "Whose votes can I get?" It is as if you know who is town and who is scum and are petitioning with an informed perspective.

[Oblivion]

Ranger, if you're town you need to back it up. Getting into large quotes with the people in the thread hasn't dissauded them so far from sussing you.

You've said your piece and they've said their own. Unless you GTH think they're surescum, please pivot to your scumreads. Something new is needed.

This isn't about what is fair or right. It's about what is needed to redeem your slot.

I have misgivings about your slot. I'll go into them if you want. What I'm trying to say is that there are valid reasons to sus you, and you need to go about this a different way.

And look at the slot whose posts I dislike reading but I have found as town coming in and mindmelding with my exact take (in a nicer more neutral stanced way).

[Oblivion]

Like, if you won't listen to it, listen to Lycan. They're saying what it is saying with... more patience and less irritability.

[KayJayQueue]

I gave page by page changes in my reads.

Did any stick out to you? Did you even

look

at them?

This feels extremely condescending. I was very invested in your catch up. I read every single post and actually reread most of the game along with your catch up. It gave me a better appreciation for a couple slots so I think it was helpful for my reads. I was waiting to see if you’d be giving a detailed analysis of your ending reads list and was drafting a post asking when the world ended last night. Then things kicked off today with full force and I jumped in the convo instead of redrafting up the post I was going to make last night. Mostly because I’m traveling all day today, I’m on my second plane headed toward a full work weekend so I was waiting until I got to the hotel later to sit down and get to it.

[Ranger]

Writing this and then quoting 3 of my accusations at you and "refuting" them with "no, u" is the ultimate in hypocracy, it thinks.

Perhaps when I’m not at work, you shall receive exactly what I promised?

I didn’t refute anything yet. I simply said I was going to when able to and current limitations prevent me from doing so until tomorrow.

[Oblivion]

Writing this and then quoting 3 of my accusations at you and "refuting" them with "no, u" is the ultimate in hypocracy, it thinks.

Perhaps when I’m not at work, you shall receive exactly what I promised?

I didn’t refute anything yet. I simply said I was going to when able to and current limitations prevent me from doing so until tomorrow.

It told you it was willing to take its time. That it won't allow anyone to kill you without your words being heard. So what you are saying is either you don't believe it will be held accountable to that, or you feel so desperate to control the conversation that you cannot allow anything to be said without having to chip in on it.

Which is it?

[Ranger]

I didn’t refute anything yet.

Or I should say, I didn’t intentionally refute anything yet.

If the arguments against me are so weak as to be refuted when I’m not even trying to, I think that speaks volumes as to their validity.

[Ranger]

This isn't about what is fair or right. It's about what is needed to redeem your slot.

Pray tell, why does my slot need redeeming?

[Ranger]

I was waiting to see if you’d be giving a detailed analysis of your ending reads list and was drafting a post asking when the world ended last night. Then things kicked off today with full force and I jumped in the convo instead of redrafting up the post I was going to make last night. Mostly because I’m traveling all day today, I’m on my second plane headed toward a full work weekend so I was waiting until I got to the hotel later to sit down and get to it.

Perhaps extend your life's limitations to mine.

I thought I had given the detailed summary at the end; a lack of it was thanks to the site exploding.

Then the game thread did, and I have life limitations today.

[Oblivion]

I didn’t refute anything yet.

Or I should say, I didn’t intentionally refute anything yet.

If the arguments against me are so weak as to be refuted when I’m not even trying to, I think that speaks volumes as to their validity.

It is back to rolling its eyes into the back of its skull again. Please refrain from causing this behaviour in it. It is clear that your posts are attempting to refute the claims, just not well. Its complaint has been registered that your posts are infact, for the most part, "no u". If you have more to say, please say it. It invites the opportunity to change its mind, but right now you do not appear town.