Micro Normal 1102: ootmgoat [game over!]

[KayJayQueue]

I might have a really busy day at work today but I’ll be checking in as often as I can!

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Oh wow Dannflor is in this game. So I can get live coaching from him on this.

Wait, where do I sign up for coaching?! I’m sure everyone knows I need it lol

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Hi.

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The only 2 players I fear. Kay and Dannflor. How will I survive this game

I think we should just hug it out

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Not yet. I feel comfortable reading most of the players though except like 3 so I'm not worried

Tell me who the scum are please, I’m exhausted today

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I don’t know these people well enough to know if this is all sarcasm or not.

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Which part, Kay?

Yes

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Then in this case I will say they are sarcastic. Unless you think a game with 5 scum and 4 town is possible.

You tell me

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Then in this case I will say they are sarcastic. Unless you think a game with 5 scum and 4 town is possible.

You tell me

I feel like you're playing the newbie / "I'm so lost" card too much for it to be natural and hiding behind it sorta

VOTE: KayJayQueue

Well if it eases your worry - that was, in fact, a joke.

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Okay well since it’s a micro, these busses can’t get too long or you’ll actually kill me so please stop.

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Okay well since it’s a micro, these busses can’t get too long or you’ll actually kill me so please stop.

do you have reads tho, kay?

I think the game has had a lot of AI content and yet you gave no input

You may see things as AI but I’ve only played with 2 of these people so for everyone else, I can’t tell if it’s their personality, their play style or something that would indicate to me that they are scum. If you say there has been a lot, I can honestly say I can’t pinpoint much if any yet. If that’s going to make me a target or read as using being new as an excuse for being scum, I don’t know what else I can do. But it gets a little tiring when everything I do is construed as faking my inexperience or using it as an excuse, and that being used as a scumread on me.

This isn’t just about this game, it’s been in every game so I’m sorry for being a bit exhausted from defending myself from those specific accusations.

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Kay how do you expect scum to start the game?

Well my only 2 finished games was one where I was scum and my partners…I don’t think they should ever be a baseline. The micro I just finished…scum 1 was just trolling, scum 2 was completely MIA and then replaced out. So I don’t have much experience actually reading how scum act. I guess I’d look for someone avoiding the conversation. (without V/LA)

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Then in this case I will say they are sarcastic. Unless you think a game with 5 scum and 4 town is possible.

You tell me

I feel like you're playing the newbie / "I'm so lost" card too much for it to be natural and hiding behind it sorta

VOTE: KayJayQueue

Well if it eases your worry - that was, in fact, a joke.

There were also these other posts that gave me this impression, which in spite of the light-hearted framing, still comes across as emphasizing your newness. I guess it's this behavior plus not commenting on other things in the game, hence giving me the "hiding behind it" feeling

Spoiler:

Oh wow Dannflor is in this game. So I can get live coaching from him on this.

Wait, where do I sign up for coaching?! I’m sure everyone knows I need it lol

Not yet. I feel comfortable reading most of the players though except like 3 so I'm not worried

Tell me who the scum are please, I’m exhausted today

I don’t know these people well enough to know if this is all sarcasm or not.

Maybe it’s because, and here’s a wild thought, I am new. And the players I’m joking with are the only ones I’m acquainted with so I feel better engaging with them with lighthearted banter.

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That was my very first game, ever. It’s true that I didn’t know anyone’s meta. How am I supposed to? And it’s still true. Just because I was scum doesn’t mean everything I did or said was a lie. I know that will probably be twisted or written off as a lie as well but I don’t know what to say. I basically ignored the fact I was scum and just used that game to familiarize myself with how a long form game is played.

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VOTE: Gimli

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I’ll reconsider Gimli if enough people tell me they have a good read but so far, I’m not loving the ISO. Especially regarding me.

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where are you gimli

I'm about to see a class

if its just kay and kage this game is kind of a bore

Am I only boring if I’m scum?

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where are you gimli

I'm about to see a class

if its just kay and kage this game is kind of a bore

Am I only boring if I’m scum?

I didnt say you were boring, I said the game would be a bore cause the solve is just two slots doing not much to get townread

also I did replace into that game where NM/nurse were scum and you were pretty much a lock town read by page... 5? this so far is very far from it

To be fair, this game started during my work weekend so I couldn’t be as active as I usually am. I just worked 43 hours in the past 3 days, then I had a 5 hour flight home. Ive just actually gotten home now but I’ve barely slept. Once I get refreshed I probably won’t shut up

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UNVOTE:

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jesus man how do you guys even find the time to mafia?

I'm having my university classes but from home

also working from home

just having a whole lot of staying home this week

thank god cause its so hot here you have no idea

I usually travel on Thursdays, work insane hours Friday-Sunday, fly home Monday. So I’m usually active Monday-ish to Thursday and then when I’m being irresponsible at work lol

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Sry holding steady on the vote

Which may not be a bus

What do you mean may not be a bus?

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KJQ what about Gimli's ISO do you not like?

114 122
129 vs 135
148 vs 198
238 vs 240 vs 244
277 vs 321

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UNVOTE:

Why unvote?

Didn’t want a possible elimination when I didn’t think I had a full grasp on the game or my reads. I need to really go back through now that I’m not distracted at work and get more solid feelings about people.

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KJQ what about Gimli's ISO do you not like?

114 122
129 vs 135
148 vs 198
238 vs 240 vs 244
277 vs 321

Can you say why those reads and progressions are not believable from a town perspective?

I don’t know his play style but this ISO just seems so erratic and reflexive. It seems pretty dependent on other people’s ideas, thus changing too quickly to seem like he’s really developing his own thoughts instead of just seeing someone else post something that looks good and altering his “reads” to fit the current topic. It’s not that someone can’t change their mind but I don’t see being so quick to flip flop over and over being a good way to play as town.

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UNVOTE:

Why unvote?

Didn’t want a possible elimination when I didn’t think I had a full grasp on the game or my reads. I need to really go back through now that I’m not distracted at work and get more solid feelings about people.

No one is gonna hammer and it takes pressure off of him

Sorry I just got out of a game where the scum was trolling and threatening to hammer anyone that was E-1 so I guess I was still in the mindset of “shit E-1, day is going to end” and I don’t feel like I have established enough stable reads to go into day 2 confident I’d have something meaningful to contribute.

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I kinda don't think its kay now. I understand her scumread on me.

Ehhh it seems like scum reading a certain anti town behavior rather than believing it is scummy

Are you saying Kay is scummy?

Yeah

I think you’re seeing what you want to see. No matter how I answered your question, you’d have found a reason to believe it was scummy. That’s what I think.

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I kinda don't think its kay now. I understand her scumread on me.

Ehhh it seems like scum reading a certain anti town behavior rather than believing it is scummy

Are you saying Kay is scummy?

Yeah

I think you’re seeing what you want to see. No matter how I answered your question, you’d have found a reason to believe it was scummy. That’s what I think.

What am I? Town, scum, annoying?

At least 2 of those


lol kidding


You’re just wrong, I don’t know if it’s informed or not.

[KayJayQueue]

Looks like a “anyone but me” strategy in full effect.

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Looks like a “anyone but me” strategy in full effect.

welcome to forum mafia

Just adding it to the list of questionable things to do if you’re town and actively trying to win the game, not just avoid being voted. You can’t just be only defensive as town.

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Looks like a “anyone but me” strategy in full effect.

Revote?

Honestly it’s leaning that way.

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VOTE: kage

This is just getting ridiculous.

If you’re town, this gameplay is baffling. Just take a minute and get a solid read for once, like damn lol

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I’m serious though

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VOTE: Gimli

Arrogant.

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VOTE: Gimli

Arrogant.

not a good reason to vote for someone

If you think that’s the only reason I’m voting him you haven’t been paying attention.

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VOTE: Gimli

Arrogant.

am I the arrogant one? I'm not telling anyone how to play mafia, you know.

I was asked to explain my reads and I did. I said I don’t know your play style. I said I find it baffling. I don’t think I was telling you how to play but I was telling you how I was feeling about how you are playing. I find it so funny that when people want to sus me, I get the “she’s using bring new as an excuse” and yet when I explain my reads on someone it becomes “she’s only played two games, she knows nothing”. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t.

[KayJayQueue]

HI DREW

HELLO....WHY ARE WE YELLING??

hi drew

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HI DREW

HELLO....WHY ARE WE YELLING??

hi drew

Hey Kay, you just can't avoid a game where things get overly heated lol

At least you know it isn't the same player repping into to the slot

That’s true…am I the catalyst?

I didn’t really have a good read on DE so I need something good from you, please and thanks.

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Anywho, kinda up to page 8 or so, kinda just skimming to pick up vibes. I do feel like Hu is town, Kay seems a bit more reserved than our previous game......but I won't call her scum for that quite yet.....maybe

I was working all weekend, I couldn’t be as annoying as usual.

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Ah there it is again. It’s giving me whiplash.

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Ah there it is again. It’s giving me whiplash.

you made one read this entire game and its this read

sorry about the whiplash ig

Literally giving an opinion that someone else just gave…word for word.

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Just because I’ve only given one in-depth read doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Until proven otherwise, I don’t see anything wrong with my read.

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Just because I’ve only given one in-depth read doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Until proven otherwise, I don’t see anything wrong with my read.

its fine you're just probably scum this game

being on my wagon is smart

Weird how before you were content not to defend yourself because you thought I was town and understood why I was scum reading you? Now you’re just being dismissive that I’m scum and giving the condescending “it’s fine”. I really do hope you’re scum and are just playing the part to put sus on me because if this is really how you are as town when you get heat (such as saying I’m not on your level and that I was wrong because I’m new) then it’s not a very inviting environment as a new player to come into. If everything is based on meta and “how they normally play” or “I always do this as town” it alienates anyone that is new and unfamiliar with past games or the players. It feels like a crutch to just say it’s a meta.

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Well I’ll happily prove you wrong. Vote me out of this game then it’ll accomplish 2 things: proving I’m town and not having to put up with your arrogant, passive aggressive bullshit. If you’re not scum, I’d highly rethink the way you approach people. It feels like you’re targeting me because I’m not an established player so no one is going to come to my defense. So by all means, vote me out and eat crow.

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I never felt so unwelcome in any game as I do in this one fwiw.

Same

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I never felt so unwelcome in any game as I do in this one fwiw.

Same

Sorry if I contributed to this in any sense. Though I get aggressive sometimes, the intent is never to make anyone feel unwelcome, you included

I asked earlier if you had any other reads. That was a genuine reach out if you want to talk about that instead?

I don’t think I’m able to be unbiased right at this moment.

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I want to Town read Kay. But I'm weary based on last game. Either way I don't think I want her today

You’re the only person I can understand feeling this way and I get it. The only thing that’s going to make you feel better going forward is 1. You’re town here and 2. The game ends and you see I’m town this time.
Basically, I think this game will only be useful to inform you on future games. As it is, you’re going to have a really hard time with me being in this game because you’ll always be slightly scumreading me, especially if you start feeling I’m clearly town.

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I want to Town read Kay. But I'm weary based on last game. Either way I don't think I want her today

You’re the only person I can understand feeling this way and I get it. The only thing that’s going to make you feel better going forward is 1. You’re town here and 2. The game ends and you see I’m town this time.
Basically, I think this game will only be useful to inform you on future games. As it is, you’re going to have a really hard time with me being in this game because you’ll always be slightly scumreading me, especially if you start feeling I’m clearly town.

Kay, forgetting about Gim's.....what is your honest take on a few other slots in the game.....doesn't matter who

I think Dann is town. I’m leaning town on black.
I want to trust Hu but I need more time to see what she does.
I don’t get the sus on kage but I think I was distracted during the time that sus came about so I may be missing something obvious.
May and your slot - null, no idea.
CSF could be anything and I’m still too affected by recent posts to form an unbiased opinion so I want to wait.

I’ve been too focused on Gimli. I can openly admit it. I don’t take back any of my reads on that situation though, tunnel or otherwise. I am very much not enjoying the game because of it and I’m sorry for not having better or more impactful reads to aid town in making the right decision here.

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Maybe the reason Gimli is under so much pressure is directly related to having >100 posts. The one thing I’ll agree on that kage said is that Gimli accused nearly everyone of being scum and town at some point. Throwing reads out like they’re candy doesn’t instill much trust in someone because they’ve shown that come the next page, they’ll have moved onto a different read. It’s hard to work with someone that is that indecisive when every time they give a new read, it feels like it’s with full confidence. I can’t trust that behavior, no matter the alignment.

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I want to Town read Kay. But I'm weary based on last game. Either way I don't think I want her today

You’re the only person I can understand feeling this way and I get it. The only thing that’s going to make you feel better going forward is 1. You’re town here and 2. The game ends and you see I’m town this time.
Basically, I think this game will only be useful to inform you on future games. As it is, you’re going to have a really hard time with me being in this game because you’ll always be slightly scumreading me, especially if you start feeling I’m clearly town.

Kay, forgetting about Gim's.....what is your honest take on a few other slots in the game.....doesn't matter who

I think Dann is town. I’m leaning town on black.
I want to trust Hu but I need more time to see what she does.
I don’t get the sus on kage but I think I was distracted during the time that sus came about so I may be missing something obvious.
May and your slot - null, no idea.
CSF could be anything and I’m still too affected by recent posts to form an unbiased opinion so I want to wait.

I’ve been too focused on Gimli. I can openly admit it. I don’t take back any of my reads on that situation though, tunnel or otherwise. I am very much not enjoying the game because of it and I’m sorry for not having better or more impactful reads to aid town in making the right decision here.

I have been in your spot more times than I would like to admit lol.....don't be afraid to take a day away from the game, that sometimes can help reset things and let you come back with a fresh outlook on things and help you enjoy yourself some more.

I also need to look at Kage some more, and everytime I see CSF post I am reminded that they are in this game lol

How this game has played out so far, if I were gone for a day, I could come back to dead chat. And what's worse is I don't even think my death would help town solve anything. Lose, lose scenario.

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Sorry I expected this game and the players to be fun, I guess.

My sentiments exactly. And one person I was excited to play with isn’t even here still.

I eagerly await a new updated Kay/Kage read after this.

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I want to Town read Kay. But I'm weary based on last game. Either way I don't think I want her today

You’re the only person I can understand feeling this way and I get it. The only thing that’s going to make you feel better going forward is 1. You’re town here and 2. The game ends and you see I’m town this time.
Basically, I think this game will only be useful to inform you on future games. As it is, you’re going to have a really hard time with me being in this game because you’ll always be slightly scumreading me, especially if you start feeling I’m clearly town.

Kay, forgetting about Gim's.....what is your honest take on a few other slots in the game.....doesn't matter who

I think Dann is town. I’m leaning town on black.
I want to trust Hu but I need more time to see what she does.
I don’t get the sus on kage but I think I was distracted during the time that sus came about so I may be missing something obvious.
May and your slot - null, no idea.
CSF could be anything and I’m still too affected by recent posts to form an unbiased opinion so I want to wait.

I’ve been too focused on Gimli. I can openly admit it. I don’t take back any of my reads on that situation though, tunnel or otherwise. I am very much not enjoying the game because of it and I’m sorry for not having better or more impactful reads to aid town in making the right decision here.

Do you refer to "town" in third person in town games

I don’t even know tbh

I feel like I do but at this point I feel so far removed from the “town” that I don’t feel like anyone is actually on my team here. So if I seem distant it’s because that’s exactly how I feel.

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Maybe the reason Gimli is under so much pressure is directly related to having >100 posts. The one thing I’ll agree on that kage said is that Gimli accused nearly everyone of being scum and town at some point. Throwing reads out like they’re candy doesn’t instill much trust in someone because they’ve shown that come the next page, they’ll have moved onto a different read. It’s hard to work with someone that is that indecisive when every time they give a new read, it feels like it’s with full confidence. I can’t trust that behavior, no matter the alignment.

Ok but like you do know you have to like prioritize alignment over all the other stuff at some juncture this game right

You kinda make the game dysfunctional if you treat "bad is the same as being on the other team!" As part of the game nothing is possible to accomplish

So I’m making the game dysfunctional?

Okay.

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Okay, I get it.

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Good game everyone
Sorry for repping out
Thank you Datisi!

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I carried for sure

If you did, I get half the credit lol

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I hope I never roll scum ever with anyone ever

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Rolling scum by yourself is the best way to do it.

Nooo I didn’t mean that I take it back!!!