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UNVOTE: Snow
A few takeaways from the flashwagon:
- There's approximately a 0% chance the wagon is scum free.
- Thomit is just town. This is my "page 2 townread" of the game.
- "Wagon bad, WTF everyone!" is such an easy and predictable response that I believe that at least one off-wagon scum made it. (One of Naerys, Kay, Oblivion)
- I believe Dave when he says he didn't read page 2 before voting. That doesn't mean he's town, it only means a page 2 execution wasn't his objective.
I think the usefulness of the flashwagon is entirely aboutIn post 48, Oblivion wrote:
What material? A Poisoned Well Opening to the game? Town or Scum, what player reacts within normal ranges to almost dying before ever hitting the thread? Do you think yourself so enlightened in the ways of player mentality that you will be able to discern town confusion and outrage from the scum variant? It doesn't think anyone can, reliably, and rather thinks that most natural responses from a player in that slot will be traditionally seen as scummy.In post 45, davesaz wrote: note to self: read the 2nd page first
I don't think it's a bad thing to hit an E-1 like that, it will certainly provide good material.
It dislikes the very idea. There's no foundation to base the reaction off of, so there's no baseline to test against.everyone else'sreaction to the wagon, not Snow's own reaction.
I wasn't scared. I never believed the wagon would actually lead to an execution.In post 86, Gypyx wrote:
I think the human psyche is hard to understeand, and a sample size of one seems prone for mistakes and suchIn post 75, Oblivion wrote:
It isn't meta, but rather a mental model. It attempts to make models of player behaviour by playing with and understanding how they will react situationally. It seeks to understand, then apply these lessons by asking itself to think within that mental model, and whether the response makes sense or if there is an outside influence that is affecting that response, then seeking motivation from being in that Model.In post 67, Gypyx wrote: obliving sure says a lot of words but i'm not sure if it makes it town yet
i'm kinda curious about how Penguin following usual penguin meta makes him more likely town when like, sheeping on a page 1 wagon is not the hardest thing in the world
Having played precisely one game with Penguin, as it being scum, it got to see much of how Penguin approaches a game. It thinks that the teasing, off the cuff but effective manner in which Penguin approached his vote fits within its model of him and so it sees him most strongly as town from that.
Here is a question in return for you. If indeed the creation and reaction to these wagons are indicative of finding scum and town and sorting alignments, why is its method less effective than yours? What methods are you using, and from these interactions who is town or scum to you?
specifically, i'm looking for reactions that are hard to fake / scum failing to fail a reaction, willow in my opinions fits into this category as he made a sheep onto the wagon while also showing uneasiness around it, a pretty contradictory mindset, and one telling he's afraid of acting "wrong" (this is based on the shrug emoji for instance)
Same, actually.In post 102, PenguinPower wrote: murder willow sounds like a very awesome tree that i would like to plant in my backyard.You can call me "Willow".-
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That be fair actually, after the last game I played with Tao. -_-In post 101, Gypyx wrote: come murder willow with me Hu TaoYou can call me "Willow".-
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I'm reading this paragraph over and over. I don't get it. How is what I did "failing to fail" a reaction?In post 86, Gypyx wrote: specifically, i'm looking for reactions that are hard to fake / scum failing to fail a reaction, willow in my opinions fits into this category as he made a sheep onto the wagon while also showing uneasiness around it, a pretty contradictory mindset, and one telling he's afraid of acting "wrong" (this is based on the shrug emoji for instance)
And what do you mean "for instance"? The shrug emoticon is the only thing I besides voting.You can call me "Willow".-
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Ok, I'll rephrase that bullet point:In post 106, Naerys wrote:
I dont like the way you are mocking our response to the speedwagon.In post 103, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: "Wagon bad, WTF everyone!" is such an easy and predictable response that I believe that at least one off-wagon scum made it. (One of Naerys, Kay, Oblivion)
- The notion that that speedwagon is harmful for the town is both 1. easy to come up with; and 2. would feel natural coming from anyone off the speedwagon. Therefore, it is likery that at least one off-wagon scum would bring it forth to appeal to likeminded townies.
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That was a joke. I was joking about how I can't think of any entrance. It was a callback to my first game on the site where I also couldn't think of any entrance. You were a player on that game.In post 127, Gypyx wrote: This is extremely self-conscious behaviour, both in the feeling like your entrance isn't good enough...
I was fully on board with the wagon. The shrug meant "why not?".In post 127, Gypyx wrote: ... and you adding a shrug emoji basically means you join the wagon without actually being on board with it, something that's more likely for scum to doYou can call me "Willow".-
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Did you just "no u" me?In post 130, JacksonVirgo wrote: You know what your wallpost was exactly? Easy to come up with, would feel natural coming from someone and therefore it is likely that at least one scum would bring it forth to appeal to likeminded towniesYou can call me "Willow".-
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OkIn post 131, JacksonVirgo wrote: Obviously a shitpost but I do not like that post, both the one you just made and your wallpostYou can call me "Willow".-
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I felt Nearys was dismissing my post by hiding behind the "mockery", so I rephrased to get rid of the excuse.In post 157, Thomith wrote:
What is the point of this post?In post 129, Little Will o' Wisp wrote:
Ok, I'll rephrase that bullet point:In post 106, Naerys wrote:
I dont like the way you are mocking our response to the speedwagon.In post 103, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: "Wagon bad, WTF everyone!" is such an easy and predictable response that I believe that at least one off-wagon scum made it. (One of Naerys, Kay, Oblivion)
- The notion that that speedwagon is harmful for the town is both 1. easy to come up with; and 2. would feel natural coming from anyone off the speedwagon. Therefore, it is likery that at least one off-wagon scum would bring it forth to appeal to likeminded townies.
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Gypyx is town.In post 200, Gypyx wrote: still wanna murder willow
Scum!Gypyx would've come up with a new reason to keep suspecting me.You can call me "Willow".-
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Beats me.In post 220, NotAScum wrote: what did willow do to get so many votes?You can call me "Willow".-
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For clarity, these are the posts Gypyx is talking about:
In post 19, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: [insert cool and creative entrance here]You can call me "Willow".-
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So... I'm under suspicion for defending myself from suspicion?You can call me "Willow".-
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I still think one of Naerys, Kay and Oblivion is scum for their response to the Snow wagon. And Naerys is the only one of those three who commented on it (when she complained about my mocking tone).
I tried to pick a fight with Naerys, but unfortunately she declined to give me one.You can call me "Willow".-
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No. She would be a lot easier to read if she did, that's why it's unfortunate.In post 359, Thomith wrote:
Do you think Naerys declining to "pick a fight" with you is alignment indicative?In post 258, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: I still think one of Naerys, Kay and Oblivion is scum for their response to the Snow wagon. And Naerys is the only one of those three who commented on it (when she complained about my mocking tone).
I tried to pick a fight with Naerys, but unfortunately she declined to give me one.You can call me "Willow".-
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I explained it all already. I'm convinced one of the Mafia spoke against the Snow flashwagon at the beginning. And Naerys is the only one that acknowledged my point when I brought it up, when she tried to dismiss it.In post 342, Thomith wrote: @Willow why do you think Naerys is scum?You can call me "Willow".-
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Every time you talk about my suspicion, you just say "I don't like it" and leaves it at that.In post 269, Naerys wrote: ... but also i dont like Wisp himself and the way he "suspects" me
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I played. And yes, he did the same thing as town.In post 471, KayJayQueue wrote: Has anyone played with NAS when he’s town? Does he do the same thing? I only have one game with him so I’m worried about being too confident his day 1 actions are AI. Though now that there are multiple votes on him, maybe he’ll appear and say something helpful.You can call me "Willow".-
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Maybe. I'm still confident in it, though.In post 377, Gypyx wrote:
So the "scum spoke against the flashwagon" is more of a rule of thumb if i understeand correctly?In post 363, Little Will o' Wisp wrote:
I explained it all already. I'm convinced one of the Mafia spoke against the Snow flashwagon at the beginning. And Naerys is the only one that acknowledged my point when I brought it up, when she tried to dismiss it.In post 342, Thomith wrote: @Willow why do you think Naerys is scum?You can call me "Willow".-
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2 days remaining. I feel a deadline scramble coming up.
I'm a Vanilla Townie.You can call me "Willow".-
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That Snow doesn't think NotAS is scum at this moment.You can call me "Willow".-
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The game was stale. It was clear that we were ready to move from Day 1.
Above all I wanted to avoid executing a PR, or forcing a PR to claim. I claimed it myself so that the town know there's a safe option to end the day.You can call me "Willow".-
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Particularly, I thought NotAS might be a PR and wanted to avoid him having to claim. But after this post, I don't think he is a PR anymore:
In post 578, NotAScum wrote:
Strange feeling you got there when you should be feeling the opposite. Claiming VT under no pressure doesn't help town and town!willow.In post 570, Thomith wrote: I feel like claiming VT randomly does not help scum!willow at all.You can call me "Willow".-
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Yeah, I don't think NotAS will flip scum. Is it really too late to execute Naerys?You can call me "Willow".-
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So, we'll just let Naerys get away with not responding to anything?
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Sounds like she got personally offended by your comment.You can call me "Willow".-
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In post 106, Naerys wrote:
I dont like the way you are mocking our response to the speedwagon.In post 103, Little Will o' Wisp wrote: "Wagon bad, WTF everyone!" is such an easy and predictable response that I believe that at least one off-wagon scum made it. (One of Naerys, Kay, Oblivion)
Same energy.In post 644, Naerys wrote:
Virgo clearly is low info killIn post 637, Random Nurse wrote: This Scumteam may be incompetent.
this comment doesnt sit well with me
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Well... I am certainly trying to convince you to vote Naerys with me.In post 661, Random Nurse wrote: A little voice whispers in the back of my head, Willow.
It tells me you may be trying to manipulate me into going after Naerys.
I spoke with the voice and it told me I should consider tearing into you within 12 hours. Haven't made up my mind yet.You can call me "Willow".-
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I never played with Naerys before, so I can't compare her meta. But in this very game she felt the need to express her disdain towards me when I "mocked" her. So she's the type of person who would do just that.
Picture this: Nearys read the first few posts of Day 2. She internally reacted to your taunt, but couldn't verbalise it for obvious reasons. It was weighing on her mind though, so she talked about it negatively in a roundabout way. This is something she posted on a whim (merely 2 minutes after her last post), so she hasn't had time to consider that ignoring it would be the best option.
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(there's also the way she reacted towards Snow's flashwagon, a position I still hold since no one has tried to argue against it yet)You can call me "Willow".
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