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VOTE: political clout

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go ahead and post more until I can determine alignments I am monitoring this thread. also I am scum.

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PC jester?

was this a joke serious question.

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it was yeah.

why? trying to be my fren? :) or trying to be anyones fren? or trying to be everyone's fren?

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are you hiding something smileyman?

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Eh, just engaging in some light-hearted banter tis all.

I think I believe you maybe tbd. but are you hiding something?

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it was yeah.

why? trying to be my fren? :) or trying to be anyones fren? or trying to be everyone's fren?

Would you consider it scummy if I was trying to do the above though. If so, why?

I would think you are hiding a pr. your entrance suggests eagerness your consecutives posts suggests stealth and trying to blend in. Your deflection suggests slight annoyance at me.

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keep posting let me determine everyone's role.

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why would you call that out?

There's a high chance I'm wrong. because I am just interpreting and seeing what I want to see. Maybe Mr. dude is just a nice smile. Idk.

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Eh, just engaging in some light-hearted banter tis all.

I think I believe you maybe tbd. but are you hiding something?

Trust me, there's nothing hidden behind this smile :D.

What about you?

Trying to glean mr. penguins alignment from his reaction to my post calling you a pr. now I wait to see how he responds.

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meh okay reaction not great could be better. Now I am wondering... how could it be better though? maybe it's completely appropriate. go ahead keep posting.

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anyone else getting 500 errors when they try to post?

yes it keeps going to the broken screen? idk what to call it the screen that it gives when no internet.

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I like that Political Clout is trying to figure people out right from the start

would you feel comfortable calling anyone leaning scum rn? why or why not.

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I like that Political Clout is trying to figure people out right from the start

would you feel comfortable calling anyone leaning scum rn? why or why not.

Nah, it's too soon for that. I need people to post more to figure out who sounds genuine and who doesn't

I think smiley, yessirre, kayjayqueue, and penguin bringing up the rear are leaning town for me. what about you?

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I like that Political Clout is trying to figure people out right from the start

would you feel comfortable calling anyone leaning scum rn? why or why not.

Nah, it's too soon for that. I need people to post more to figure out who sounds genuine and who doesn't

I think smiley, yessirre, kayjayqueue, and penguin bringing up the rear are leaning town for me. what about you?

So far I'm slightly leaning town on you and Penguin. Why are those people your town leans?

eagerness lightness jovialness and an early gut fire read. smiley is more of a special read since he is dripping with towniness.

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fairly certain kayjayqueue is town less sure about random nurse and even less sure about dave...

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So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

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VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

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VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

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VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

I think 136 just generates more questions than it gives answers for. Why did 136 answer your question or how did it.

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VOTE: brian

Be back this afternoon

I'm curious to hear the reasoning for this

why curious?

I didn't see post 136 so I wasn't sure why you were voting for him

I think 136 just generates more questions than it gives answers for. Why did 136 answer your question or how did it.

Is Hu Tao's assessment accurate? Or did you have a different reason?

Spoiler:

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

+scum

I agree. If yess is town I could see Brian soft defending as scum here

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Why would you assume hu taos assessment is accurate? I only said one word.

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I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.

Why are there black things on our plate now?

I'm feeling more confident on my read here.

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Can you say what your reasons are?

okay you can be town.

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town
smiley
yessirre
kayjayqueue
penguin
nurse
dave
blackstar

null
hu tao
straight flush
titus
greeting

lean scum
brian


this is where I'm at for now.

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I'm still fixated on this plate of food it pisses me off.

Why are there black things on our plate now?

I'm feeling more confident on my read here.

I'm curious how my observation of the flavor of this game has anything to do with your read on me.

you want to post but you can't scum hunt so you comment on flavor

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Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.

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VOTE: Political Clout

you voted me here for no reasons and then later say wagons are tools for scumhunting but then later admit you don't scum hunt and analyze and then now throw the classic omgus. I think you're caught scum flailing.

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I voted you because unlike what smileydude things, I do not think posts like 45 and 50 are indicators of town behavior. In fact, those posts are pro-scum as you're blatantly rolefishing. And you're covering it up by a thin veil of "oh don't mind me, I'm just scum, JK, teehee."

Read my post again. I never said I don't scumhunt. Generating content isn't my forte. I'm the type that will reread the game several times at different angles.

As far as me not having much to say, it's because the game has been terribly droll so far. And the best tool for early content and scumhunting, which is wagon analysis, was argued as scummy by another player.

We can never know if that's true since you never said why you were voting me when you voted me. Dave said why a while later it can only be inferred why you decided to vote me.

Don't worry you're generating content right now walking back telling me what actually happened in thread taking quite some time to compose your post. I'm full time foil hat you went to look at my posts again before deciding what to say.

Last paragraph is pointless to me.

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VOTE: Political Clout

So, what, you're wanting some wagons to develop?

Sounds a bit suss to me.

Wagons are a valuable tool for hunting scum.

yessiree seems town to me.

I bet this is what everyone thinks the reason for your vote to make a wagon.

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Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

You try to appease me here

Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.

It doesn't work

Generate more alignment indicative content.

You become aggressive

Then go for the PC did omgus for the discredit.

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Yes, I was also trying to make a wagon.

On someone I thought was potentially scum.

The existence of one does not invalidate the other.

Okay. Weird that you never say PC and scum in the same sentence until now.

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Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

You try to appease me here

Sure, I see myself more as an analyzer than a scum hunter.

I eagerly await your analyzer skills then.

It doesn't work

Generate more alignment indicative content.

You become aggressive

Then go for the PC did omgus for the discredit.

You should consider a job at narration.

Why so antagonistic? Feels manufactured to me.

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What makes you think that was antagonistic?

Lol seriously?

What was the point of that post?

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Use your imagination.

Yeah this is just scum angry at being caught so soon.

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I'm not even angry.

Sounds more like PC upset after trying to pick a target that seemed like LHF, only to find nothing they have sticks.

Now I'm actually the angry one? Lmao.

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You're the one that keeps trying to push baseless arguments.

Prove how they're baseless instead of saying meaningless buzzwords

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fairly certain kayjayqueue is town less sure about random nurse and even less sure about dave...

I originally interpreted this post as you positing more suspicion on Nurse and Dave. Though your readlist doesn't really match up with that.

town
smiley
yessirre
kayjayqueue
penguin
nurse
dave
blackstar

null
hu tao
straight flush
titus
greeting

lean scum
brian


this is where I'm at for now.

Did something cause those reads to change?

Sorry for being confusing I just meant they were in descending order of towniness. That I townread them less than the other ones.

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:^) I'm going to eat lol.

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VOTE: brian skies

The hostility in your posts during that argument felt kind of unnatural and forced. And I agree with Smiley's point about it being weird that you thought PC was blatantly rolefishing and didn't call him out on it until after the argument started. It seems sus

This is the way

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htinking Brian is town here; gives off the energy from our last game where he was town and how confrontational he was. I also think he would know to have better optics as scum whereas town he would care less

liking my vote still, think I got something there. I find it a little odd how so many people seemed ready to defend Hu Tao. Could either be Hu's partner, or TMIing she's town. Think there's a good chance at hitting scum in that group

lol that's a lot of words to just say brian has a skill issue. Link the game please and thank you.

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VOTE: political clout

VOTE: PC

the homie votes I slightly respect it.

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i mean, my comment was more stating that titus' reason wasn't valid so not sure why you're quoting me

That's not at all how it reads to anyone.

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I find it interesting all of the people that are voting me are people I don't know. All the people that have experience with me aren't voting me.

There's not really anything I can glean from this alignment-wise. It's just an observation I wanted to point out.

That's an interesting point. let me think on it.

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VOTE: political clout

Can you go more into this vote when you have a chance?

You can't ride in my little red wagon! the axels broken and the back wheels draggin :(

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Not really interested in limming bs day 1 on his first game back in ages.

good - this is his second game back in ages.

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it reads exactly how it's typed out

good - as in that's a good point it's a good post it's a good thing

it's his second game back in ages - correcting them and then repeating the sentiment.

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yes penguin corrected her but i do not think he was echoing her sentiment

Not really interested in limming bs day 1 on his first game back in ages.

good - this is his second game back in ages.

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it reads exactly how it's typed out

good - as in that's a good point it's a good post it's a good thing

it's his second game back in ages - correcting them and then repeating the sentiment.

That's not how I read it at all. I thought Penguin was pointing that out as if to say "even if I share your sentiment, it's not relevant here bc it's not his first game back. Therefore I'm still willing to vote him if I think it's good"

okay.

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now that we're on the same page, got any new revelation from this revelation?

I don't think we're on the same page.

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nice meme

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ITT everyone is gaslighting me.

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ITT everyone is gaslighting me.

What do you think that term means, and how does it apply to "everyone"?

Where are you going with this?

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I'll quickly hammer whichever gets to e-1

Yes! Unless it's me then naur. Be sometimes it be like that.

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ITT everyone is gaslighting me.

That’s called paranoia lol

Shows I'm town yeah? :good:

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i mean, my comment was more stating that titus' reason wasn't valid so not sure why you're quoting me

That's not at all how it reads to anyone.

It read that way to me, and I might have made a similar post if I had been here in that moment.

A similar post or similar progression? Because after Mr penguin said that they voted me reinforcing my belief.

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Then again, I feel icky about jumping on the

Brian Skies

wagon, because I could very well see their posts coming from a townie perspective and also I feel icky about most people who already are voting them.

Tell me more about brian like what posts are townie or what feels townie about them.

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you can't convince me this counterwagon isn't a scum one. :good: I just need to find them.

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Hey all. Just got prodded. I'm going to try to post sometime thus evening (going to bed now). IRL issue tying me up recently.

vote brian before you go

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Hey all. Just got prodded. I'm going to try to post sometime thus evening (going to bed now). IRL issue tying me up recently.

vote brian before you go

OK why?

Is it urgent?

urgent for me yeah. you can just iso us and decide though.

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Hey all. Just got prodded. I'm going to try to post sometime thus evening (going to bed now). IRL issue tying me up recently.

vote brian before you go

OK why?

Is it urgent?

urgent for me yeah. you can just iso us and decide though.

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And why is it urgent for you?

We have at least 5 days.

hu tao already said they would hammer someone at -1 I already caught scum as far as I'm concerned.

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why are you flailing about PC?

no flailing just really excited. Probably playing to fast but that's okay. once brian flips I can start looking at my wagon for who else is scum.

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idk - your "excitement" started when you were getting wagoned with like 1/3 of your total posts coming in the past 12-14 hours

and far too many trying to tell me what i meant to say tbh

I stand by it too. there is clear evidence for my belief and I think it's a reasonable belief as well.

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wait - your belief that you're correct on what i was saying in response to titus or your belief that brian is scum?

wait you're asking instead of plowing ahead with absolute confidence? mr. penguin you're a better penguin than the next.

both but to your question titus

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StraightFlush fell for the bait. So he's probably scum.

I'm going to say Dave/StraightFlush/????

If dave and I are scummates, that was some pretty clumsy distancing from him earlier when he accused me of slipping for no reason

wait slipping on what?

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what

both but to your question titus

what a weird thing to double down on...you ok?

I don't think it's weird to put my thoughts in the thread and I'm tired of pretending it is :^). Like you said something and said no I meant this. I said I think you meant this. that's literally all that happened to me this is just a huge nothing burger why are we talking about this idk. do I just want to win? yeah. am I incapable of backing down? maybe. am I prone to hyperbole? sometimes. It just makes me think my wagon has scum on it and that I'm right about brian. Brian went back into hiding after coming out of vla to thunderdome with me. Brians progression on me is awful. Your vote on me isn't even explained you just posted a picture of a wagon. To me whoever started this or harped on it probably spews them scum trying to start nonsense arguments.

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ITT everyone is gaslighting me.

What do you think that term means, and how does it apply to "everyone"?

Where are you going with this?

Finding out what, or who, you think is gaslighting.

I wanna talk about brian but I will go back and look at it. from the the three that talked about it iirc it was yessirree. Their vote on me needs explanation too. they have hardly commented on my slot. they hard town read brian not from meta but from what I perceive as a rule of thumb on what scum might do I don't buy it.

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they hard town read brian not from meta but from what I perceive as a rule of thumb on what scum might do I don't buy it.

I feel like I missed this rule of thumb.

no clue what to call it.

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@mod I am vla

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let's post our reads and then go from there. If scum are on the wagon then whom is it most likely to be. I really like my vote though. Brains progression to me seems constantly trying to change what was said.

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Town
smileydude1 - save us oh glorious leader
titus - I don't think titus ever says what titus said as town
lean town
straightflush - clear attempts at continous sorting
hu tao - this is a gut read
randomnurse - not reading the thread so probably town happened last game
penguin power - While mostly memey iso I think I vibe with their posts
null
kayjayqueue - read through again not satisfied with my town read on kay
dave - kept vote on me forever and doesn't have any thread progression I'm fine with a lim here if we don't want brian
greeting - I agree with whoever said that their was definitely enough to make at least a gut read on me or brian I think they said later we were both town maybe when they explain their read we'll see
lean scum
blackstar - could be paired with yessiree here when blackstar voted rn
yessiree - says I claimed but voted me
scum
brian - the hyperposting to me when on vla plus the falling off and not sure about what to do and mostly waiting for others to advance the game. I think smiley can convince me brian is town. The overall progression of their interaction with me I think is scum sided oh this is what I actually mean or I said this but it was meant for the entire thread or the pc is rolefishing thats actually why I voted them and not because of wagon reasons. I could be confbias after all this became a mountain after a basic sus accusation and brian spewing all over the thread. am I tunneled? maybe. will I keep tunneling? yeah probably. But if we don't want brian I need to see a clear argument for town!brian

one thing that gives me a lot of pause is how the thread died it seems scum might be comfortable here. Let me think on it more. I might convince myself but I wanna hear what smiley has to say.

I'm also open to titus moving me from brian.

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PC, did you make a typo on your read on me?

Why is your read on Brian based on V/LA? Feels a bit ick.

it might very well indeed be ick but they were vla and posted substantially in the thunderdome with me plus what was posted always needed some sort of going back and correction to what was actually meant I think smiley says it best in 269. no typo.

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PC, did you make a typo on your read on me?

Why is your read on Brian based on V/LA? Feels a bit ick.

it might very well indeed be ick but they were vla and posted substantially in the thunderdome with me plus what was posted always needed some sort of going back and correction to what was actually meant I think smiley says it best in 269. no typo.

You called me town but said I don't say something as town

yeah I moved on from that. plus I kept going through it back and forth in my head about post density vs what titus!scum every say let's not kill brian because z and then I branched that out to what anyone ever as scum give the same reason as titus for not voting someone I don't think so.

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VOTE: yessirree

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VOTE: yessiree

You might well have been cooking day 1

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:igmeoy: jackson. I think titus might be an easy person to go after in this game state and with titus being sick and away just not believable scum read to me. I think straightflush is just a frustrated townie. I think our current path leads to glory as well. we should lim yessirree.

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:igmeoy: jackson. I think titus might be an easy person to go after in this game state and with titus being sick and away just not believable scum read to me. I think straightflush is just a frustrated townie. I think our current path leads to glory as well. we should lim yessirree.

Is your thoughts on the titus wagon here biased somewhat by your push for yessiree?

hmmmm probably are you thinking yessiree is town here? Can I see which posts led you to titus = scum?

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:igmeoy: jackson. I think titus might be an easy person to go after in this game state and with titus being sick and away just not believable scum read to me. I think straightflush is just a frustrated townie. I think our current path leads to glory as well. we should lim yessirree.

Is your thoughts on the titus wagon here biased somewhat by your push for yessiree?

hmmmm probably are you thinking yessiree is town here? Can I see which posts led you to titus = scum?

As I said, I am starting to dislike the wagon, it smells fishy. I don’t have time to quote, I was more tempted for penguin at first but decided to go wide and vote someone new entirely that I thought had good scum equity.

I don't think you've read the game as you claimed to do a live catchup you would know titus is one of my strongest town reads and that the above was a lie. You last quoted yessiree 627 to appear to have read the game.

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I don’t believe I could be more clear about how little I’ve been able to actually absorb, I literally said as much. So don’t say shit like that alright? I wouldn’t lie like that when it’s so easily disproven, it’s not fun having that said to me

why does titus have good scum equity?

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Yeah, don’t respond to what I said

How can i believe that you believe that titus has scum equity when you don't want to quote their posts and said you aren't retaining the game at all? So either i believe what you are saying that titus has scum equity in your above post or believe you that you haven't retained the game? and what could you possibly want me to say about your AtE that would progress the game in a meaningful way?

If you think my approach to your play is wrong then I'm sorry.

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They’ve been non-committal, they’ve added incredibly little of actual input outside of attempting to step between their so-called tvt back and forth only to go back on that cuz it “went stale” followed by a blind/naked vote on yessiree with a promise for vca. It’s not a good look

yessiree is on the chopping block today titus voting that slot shows commitment instead of being non committal. I don't know what you mean when you say "attempting to step between so called tvt back and forth" can you clear that up. Are you talking about me and brian here where titus says it went stale? Doesn't that also show a type of commitment voting between the two wagons? This feels like a really easy push to make against titus. What are you reads currently can you make a list?

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They’ve been non-committal, they’ve added incredibly little of actual input outside of attempting to step between their so-called tvt back and forth only to go back on that cuz it “went stale” followed by a blind/naked vote on yessiree with a promise for vca. It’s not a good look

yessiree is on the chopping block today titus voting that slot shows commitment instead of being non committal. I don't know what you mean when you say "attempting to step between so called tvt back and forth" can you clear that up. Are you talking about me and brian here where titus says it went stale? Doesn't that also show a type of commitment voting between the two wagons? This feels like a really easy push to make against titus. What are you reads currently can you make a list?

It doesn’t show commitment it shows conformity. They were explicitly getting between the two of you and brian calling you a TvT which is easy to say to appear like you’re doing something without actually doing anything of substance. She isn’t making a stance, and the stances she’s making doesnt hold weight hence the non-commitment. She’s making statements sure but is she doing more than just flapping her lips in the wind?

I’ll formulate my thoughts in a list soon, distracted watching a show. Remind me if I forget

I think you might be moving the goalposts a bit why does scum!titus call us tvt their? I think they might have been the first one to do so as well almost sort of dispelling the illusion that me or brian are definitely scum in other peoples minds. wouldn't scum want me and brian to keep going at eachother?

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Where did they actively push to stop it?

If they pushed to stop it would that make them town in your eyes? because greeting said the same thing but also didn't push to stop it. someones failure to act or unwillingness to act on something doesn't tell you their alignment it just tells you more about their playstyle. titus seems like a laid back person to me. I don't see town or scum titus stopping the argument between me and brian.

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Where did they actively push to stop it?

If they pushed to stop it would that make them town in your eyes? because greeting said the same thing but also didn't push to stop it. someones failure to act or unwillingness to act on something doesn't tell you their alignment it just tells you more about their playstyle. titus seems like a laid back person to me. I don't see town or scum titus stopping the argument between me and brian.

Singular arguments mean very little, as there’s almost always room for error one way or another. It’s the combination of many that’s hard to ignore. I think that them pushing it would show they weren’t just running their mouth. I don’t believe they were doing anything but trying to get some credit for not pushing either, and to appear to be doing something but in actuality doing extremely little. It very much matters, in fact words vs actions is INCREDIBLY important.

yessiree basically called me a hider and then proceeded to vote me. the progression doesn't make any sense.

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Could I pick your brain about hu tao?

yes

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Titus seems like obv town to me here

I agree

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yessiree not gaining any steam and not posting just makes me think we're on the right path

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Welcome enchant.

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VOTE: yessirree