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implosion/ceejay feels unfortunately likely-
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implosion is either the messiah figure this town needs to root out the deepwolves, or he is scum, and I'm yearning to discover which
recent posts feel townplosion-ey but I've also misread scumplosion so kind of have a lot more boxes to tick before I'm comfortable-
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kinda weird to call him a messiah given you are the deepwolf he is pushing-
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if I'm a wolf I ain't that deep I'm moreso referring to his core trait this game being refusal to accept any form of status quo
also would argue Black is the Holmes to my Moriarty here tbf-
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Do u remember when someone made up the rumour that NM's reads were significantly better than random to keep him alive & win a scumgame and then several players (including me) perpetuated that rumour for months?
I guess I'm trying to decide what's up with NM's Klick read how do u read Klick?-
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I'm specifically astonished at you saying that "probably both" scum are in those 3 players. Unless you have a different definition of "probably" from me, that is a wildly strong claim.In post 393, the worst wrote: ya I've seen multiple conversations which felt mutually earnest and I do suspect at least one underperforming player is scum. that happens quite often. i'm astonished that ur astonished.-
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well like i just said your words are projecting a hell of a lot of confidence too so i'm not really sure how exactly i'm supposed to be figuring out how confident you're actually claiming to beIn post 394, the worst wrote: that's a reasonable characterisation! my votes are projecting more confidence than my heart feels
The nm slight gut town is just for the structure of the posting spate, the commenting on almost every post -> "i'm exhausted" after like 6. Again, very weak, but I think the bruntness of "I'm exhausted" maybe comes from town more often-
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you also acknowledge that my level of confidence in that read is simultaneously intense and non-committal which I agree withIn post 406, implosion wrote:
I'm specifically astonished at you saying that "probably both" scum are in those 3 players. Unless you have a different definition of "probably" from me, that is a wildly strong claim.In post 393, the worst wrote: ya I've seen multiple conversations which felt mutually earnest and I do suspect at least one underperforming player is scum. that happens quite often. i'm astonished that ur astonished.
you're telling me you've never had multiple conflicting thoughts about a situation at the same time and started explaining one then realising you can't remember if you actually even like that thought half way through the explanation?
that's like my quintessential mafia experience-
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if it was easy, I wouldn't be very exciting to play mafia with :pIn post 407, implosion wrote:
well like i just said your words are projecting a hell of a lot of confidence too so i'm not really sure how exactly i'm supposed to be figuring out how confident you're actually claiming to beIn post 394, the worst wrote: that's a reasonable characterisation! my votes are projecting more confidence than my heart feels
The nm slight gut town is just for the structure of the posting spate, the commenting on almost every post -> "i'm exhausted" after like 6. Again, very weak, but I think the bruntness of "I'm exhausted" maybe comes from town more often
I'm really struggling to see "I'm exhausted" as anything but a joke I'm surprised you aren't latching onto his apparent instant townread of Klick-
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In post 399, the worst wrote: why is cjv in your scumpool? I agree w you on Klick and like, vaguely agree with a bunch of your reads
I didn't really like 55, not as strongly as Klick but I thought Klick's point wasn't bad (as I mentioned) and 55 as a whole feels maybe generically like an early game scum post. I don't really understand the reasons he's being called town, in particular I think black gave a reason that I couldn't really parse. And like, I don't really have any reason to take him out.
This seems like a weird way to phrase this question when he's also in your scumpool; do you think he oughtn't be in mine or is it surprising to you that he is?-
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why would i latch on to thisIn post 409, the worst wrote: I'm really struggling to see "I'm exhausted" as anything but a joke I'm surprised you aren't latching onto his apparent instant townread of Klick-
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I'm a mathematician. I see you saying "probably 2 scum are in these 3 players" and I read this as you saying that you think there is a >50% chance that a proposition is true, when that proposition has a baseline probability fypov of ~10% (and, fmpov assuming you're town, the baseline probability of it being correct goes down to <5%) and that's more confidence than I have ever viscerally felt for anything on day one of a forum mafia game frankly, or maybe on any dayIn post 408, the worst wrote: you also acknowledge that my level of confidence in that read is simultaneously intense and non-committal which I agree with
you're telling me you've never had multiple conflicting thoughts about a situation at the same time and started explaining one then realising you can't remember if you actually even like that thought half way through the explanation?
that's like my quintessential mafia experience-
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I asked you last page what your current take of me is; care to elaborate?In post 400, Dannflor wrote: implosion/ceejay feels unfortunately likely-
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I struggle with this. It feels like a natural conclusion for 'scum is probably concentrated in the lurkers' to follow from 'I have townreads on several active players'In post 382, implosion wrote:
I find it kind of astonishing that you'd write this sentence honestly. Like the hedging sure but like there's absolutely no way you actually have any confidence that is anywhere significantly above random in that proposition. Do you just say random shit as town? Do you genuinely think that the lurkers in this game are significantly >rand to be scum? Because I at least have seen very little from the thread as a whole that makes me feel like it's lots of townies waiting for the lurker scum to show up (granted I have access to the info that I'm town but still)In post 352, the worst wrote: I think there's at least one scum and probably two in [nm, implo, cjv] and maybe that's in reverse order? I'm also probably like, incorrect, because this game has a number of skilled scum players in it-
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I moderately townread DannIn post 396, the worst wrote:tbf the entire basis of the deepwolf meme is that dann's scumrange is quite hard to define and I'd argue he relatively rarely leaves it especially on day one
I don't think someone needs to leave their scumrange to be leaned town on and I think black is the only person I've seen who is like, outright hard townreading dann atm
something something paranoia something
I think Dann has definable goals as scum, it's just at a level deeper than most are willing to go
If Dann is scum then I think he's actually limiting himself in this game by mostly expressing things that look like direct opinions-
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Yeah that sounds about rightIn post 400, Dannflor wrote: implosion/ceejay feels unfortunately likely-
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This is exactly how I would describe his play in our last game together, where he was scum and both him and his partner were locked out fairly earlyIn post 403, the worst wrote: if I'm a wolf I ain't that deep I'm moreso referring to his core trait this game being refusal to accept any form of status quo-
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I feel like I'm playing off duck a lot
I can't really tell what this means but it feels significant-
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I don't think my reads are very meaningfully different from this atm; implosion has moved down to leaning scum, Bingle is leaning town, if the scumteam isn't {ceejay, implosion} then I think {N_M, Black, duck} are the most reasonable holes in my reads atmIn post 73, Klick wrote:Political Clout
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neither really just asking the questionIn post 410, implosion wrote:
I didn't really like 55, not as strongly as Klick but I thought Klick's point wasn't bad (as I mentioned) and 55 as a whole feels maybe generically like an early game scum post. I don't really understand the reasons he's being called town, in particular I think black gave a reason that I couldn't really parse. And like, I don't really have any reason to take him out.In post 399, the worst wrote: why is cjv in your scumpool? I agree w you on Klick and like, vaguely agree with a bunch of your reads
This seems like a weird way to phrase this question when he's also in your scumpool; do you think he oughtn't be in mine or is it surprising to you that he is?-
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because (bluntly) it actually feels meaningful.In post 411, implosion wrote:
why would i latch on to thisIn post 409, the worst wrote: I'm really struggling to see "I'm exhausted" as anything but a joke I'm surprised you aren't latching onto his apparent instant townread of Klick-
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think of me as the opposite of a mathematician. I'm like a logician but I learned my logic from a clown school.In post 412, implosion wrote:
I'm a mathematician. I see you saying "probably 2 scum are in these 3 players" and I read this as you saying that you think there is a >50% chance that a proposition is true, when that proposition has a baseline probability fypov of ~10% (and, fmpov assuming you're town, the baseline probability of it being correct goes down to <5%) and that's more confidence than I have ever viscerally felt for anything on day one of a forum mafia game frankly, or maybe on any dayIn post 408, the worst wrote: you also acknowledge that my level of confidence in that read is simultaneously intense and non-committal which I agree with
you're telling me you've never had multiple conflicting thoughts about a situation at the same time and started explaining one then realising you can't remember if you actually even like that thought half way through the explanation?
that's like my quintessential mafia experience-
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this is a really good way to put words to a general energy which I'm feeling from Dann this game. he sort of feels like he's playing from his heart a little. not in that he feels super earnest in a way he couldn't replicate, but like, in that it specifically doesn't feel like he's playing this like a strategy game.In post 415, Klick wrote:
I moderately townread DannIn post 396, the worst wrote:tbf the entire basis of the deepwolf meme is that dann's scumrange is quite hard to define and I'd argue he relatively rarely leaves it especially on day one
I don't think someone needs to leave their scumrange to be leaned town on and I think black is the only person I've seen who is like, outright hard townreading dann atm
something something paranoia something
I think Dann has definable goals as scum, it's just at a level deeper than most are willing to go
If Dann is scum then I think he's actually limiting himself in this game by mostly expressing things that look like direct opinions
I think maybe I find implosion's read on dann a little reductive because he's looking for a reason for people's townreads to be wrong, moreso than he's actually looking to solve dann
going off this post I feel like you're in a similar place re. Dann that I am, and that's not exactly a "free pass" townread. I just have much higher priorities on day one and he's not ringing any alarm bells. I really don't see anybody except possibly black giving him a free pass.-
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ah noted, thank youIn post 417, Klick wrote:
This is exactly how I would describe his play in our last game together, where he was scum and both him and his partner were locked out fairly earlyIn post 403, the worst wrote: if I'm a wolf I ain't that deep I'm moreso referring to his core trait this game being refusal to accept any form of status quo
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