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[Alianna]

2.09

Votecount 2.09

Ranger (4): Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Thomith, Gypyx
Naerys (3): Ranger, PenguinPower, Naerys
Thomith (1): Snow2697
Snow2697 (1): Titus

Not Voting (4): Oblivion, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Lycanfire

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-06 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Titus]

let's stay on ranger until it's clear it's not doable

I don't like Random Nurse.

[Gypyx]

i think dividing the pressure from people willing to vote in ranger / snow isn't a good move

like, in a vaccum yeah i'd probably rather wagon snow, but marginally, and Naerys risks taking the lim if we do it like that so close to the deadline

oh wait nvm we have 3 days and a half, need to think about it

[Thomith]

I also think it's probably a good idea to solve in the hood sooner rather than later.

I'm wondering if there is a likelihood that if there are multiple scum in the hood, they potentially have opposite stances on how the game has gone, which is making me question if Ranger/Snow are scum together (as in, I'm less inclined to believe thay they are).

[Thomith]

Ranger doesn't look awful on the catch up, but not sure what to do with that just yet.

[Gypyx]

I do agree scum would have to worry about looking uncoordinated, at least somewhat

[Lycanfire]

Trying to sort my thoughts out after finishing Day 1

Town
snow kay randomnurse geraint oblivion
penguin gypyx Titus
ranger(dave) hu thomith naerys
Scum

nulls don't exist roughly in line with how strongly i feel about everyone. happy to discuss any of these reads.

[Lycanfire]

I used to not read on replace-ins with flips but I wanted to contribute at the same time. Jackson looked like a TPR from an informed viewpoint, btw. He so much as shit on everyone for not sussing him. He wasn't relying on dayplay at all, so scum could have assumed TPR here. Thought this was interesting with the questioning of the potential of pressuring TPRs from thomith, and Jackson's immediate kneejerk in 582. Thomith/628 "ha i totally suspected jackson" post seems scummy.

[Thomith]

I was coming into today ready to pressure Jackson to start speaking more so I could read them better, but I guess that solves that..

Where does this post say I suspected Jackson?

[Lycanfire]

Seems pointless to say you would have voted a dead person for pressure. The vibe was that you thought they were scummy.

[Thomith]

Seems pointless to say you would have voted a dead person for pressure. The vibe was that you thought they were scummy.

That outright is not what I said though? I said I wanted Jackson to speak more so I could read him, because up until that point I could not.

[Lycanfire]

We can disagree about wording if you want. In my experience scum like to discuss kills too much and towns are more concerned with mislims. Towns don't like feeling manipulated and kills are out of their hands.

[Thomith]

We can disagree about wording if you want. In my experience scum like to discuss kills too much and towns are more concerned with mislims. Towns don't like feeling manipulated and kills are out of their hands.

I made a single post and moved on?

[Lycanfire]

Okay. How do you feel about 644?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Naerys
can u just vote me out i dont wanna read Rangers posts anymore

Can you just vote ranger

[Lycanfire]

I'm caught up.

I feel like Naerys has been trying to actively spew thinking they're an inevitable elim. 628 they give a rule of 3, which would point to kay, but I don't think kay makes the next post as a partner. They do the same thing in 647 which could be all-town given the other post. They blank vote onto Hu in 880 which seems like an anti-spew attempt. In 931 she blank votes Titus after Titus votes her.

I deliberately applied pressure to her because i was struggling to read her, but with how she responded to that pressure I am leaving towards her being town.

Last time I played with her when we were both Town I was questioning her and she shut down, tuetled uo, refused to answer any questions, and then got yeeted.

This is the only thing holding me back. Going to vote park VOTE: Hu Tao for now.

[Lycanfire]

Naerys: I'm interested in hearing reads from you. If you're town I don't want you eliminated.

[KayJayQueue]

I deliberately applied pressure to her because i was struggling to read her, but with how she responded to that pressure I am leaving towards her being town.

Last time I played with her when we were both Town I was questioning her and she shut down, tuetled uo, refused to answer any questions, and then got yeeted.

I was in that game (if I’m interpreting this correctly) and I believe her actions in this game resemble those where she was town, especially now with the self vote. It’s not a perfect read but if anyone is wondering why I’m town-reading her and refuse to vote there, that’s why. Also, I’ve just generally agreed with things she’s said this game. (save for a passing scumread on me)

[Lycanfire]

My scumread of Hu developed independently from 880. They're a shit starter, going back to day 1.

[Ranger]

I would very much appreciate for the hood to be solved today, and even if we were solving outside of it, Naerys is pretty obviously flailing town

I personally prefer to eliminate scum over trying to arbitrarily force a solve in a group which may as well be RNG'd, and disagree with your take.

[Ranger]

Ranger doesn't look awful on the catch up, but not sure what to do with that just yet.

If you are town, have you perhaps considered...reevaluating?

Including on biases towards assumptions a neighborhood must have scum within?

If you believe Titus is scum from her play that is fine; if you believe Titus is scum because she's the scummiest in the hood that is not.
If you believe Snow is scum from his play that is fine; if you believe Snow is scum because he's the scummiest in the hood that is not.
If you believe I am scum from my play that is fine; if you believe I'm the scummiest in the hood that is not.

We should not be aiming to eliminate the scummiest player in the neighborhood; we should be aiming to eliminate the scummiest player in the game.

[Ranger]

Can you just vote ranger

This tunnel of yours is becoming less and less believable the longer you cling to it in absence of all other content.

You've provided nothing since I've replaced in except telling people to keep voting me; you've mentioned nothing about any other slot in the game.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697, KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Gypyx, Random Nurse, Thomith}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}
{Naerys}

This is my starting point rn, loosely speaking.

PenguinPower's vibes are lean town.
The tier below is loosely 'lean town, yet need to reconsider'. Titus I don't remember why, yet something made me doubt my townread there and I need to find what. Oblivion, I'm somewhat doubting my townread there, pending whether Oblivion itself is obnoxious. Snow vibes as town yet not as strongly, I'm second guessing. KayJayQueue is actually unaffected; the others got demoted to the KayJayQueue level of before.

The next tier is loosely 'lean scum, yet need to reconsider'. geraintm feels like he should be lower, but I'm not sure how much lower than Random Nurse who also feels low. And Gypyx and Thomith are keystone players. If they're both scum, it affects who is town/scum dramatically; if they're both town, it affects who is scum/town drastically. Depending on their alignment we get potentially two entirely different solves.

Lycanfire's content feels a little lackluster. On the one hand I feel his reads are very good, and he is certainly making efforts to work with me, and these are traits which mean even were he scum I'd not want to eliminate him. On the other hand, he's a skilled enough scum player to make readslists which look good and the effort to work with me isn't clearing as much as I would love it to be. I

want

him to be town, I really really WANT him to be town, but he vibes as scum to me.

Hu Tao's vastly underperforming her talents as town. Vastly. A one-dimensional tunnel on my slot is far beneath her capacities as town.

Starting P6 now.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697}
{Random Nurse, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Naerys}
{Hu Tao}

P6

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Snow2697}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Naerys}
{Hu Tao}

P7