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Post Post #5050 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:04 am

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Mine!
Mine!
All mine!
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Post Post #5051 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:13 am

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In post 5048, Yuuka Kazami wrote: That’s like, one thing.
Ok? You jumping up is a combination of multiple things, of course focusing on one part is gonna make it look weird
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Post Post #5052 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:18 am

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You said conclusions, not conclusion.
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Post Post #5053 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:37 am

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In post 5052, Yuuka Kazami wrote: You said conclusions, not conclusion.
I used the wrong word then? Like this is just something I noticed incidentally when rereading Marisa, I haven't actually reread your ISO yet
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Post Post #5054 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:24 am

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In post 5053, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5052, Yuuka Kazami wrote: You said conclusions, not conclusion.
I used the wrong word then? Like this is just something I noticed incidentally when rereading Marisa, I haven't actually reread your ISO yet
Okay. :?
so basically you reserve the right as you have always had the right to change your read whenever you want.
My scumdar is going to look at flimsy reads. I guess it could be political based on supposition of where my reads are at. It could also be vibes I guess. You're running out of time for that read this day phase though.
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Post Post #5055 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:35 am

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I think of the remaining players still in the pool, Dai is my strongest town read.
I can't bet the game on them though.
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Post Post #5056 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:42 am

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Reasoning remains the same, tonally not scum.
While their role seems a little OP there's a lot of OP here.
I don't think their sacrifice/penalty thing is scummy, if anything it feels townie. It's clumsy, it's somewhat manipulative but it wasn't. Sigh. It isn't manipulative enough? I think.
Their reads have been aggressively wrong the whole game in a way that doesn't, though I already know this isn't good reasoning but I just cannot drop this reasoning, seem like how scum would be aggressively wrong, their approach to scum reads discredits them.
Where scum might feign anger to justify the misread or harp more on their mistakes afterword. I'm also still sitting at too crazy to be scum, albeit I know that the pool was so narrow that gambits/escapes here are a valuable tool, Kaguya in particular has pointed this out when it comes to just claiming a block on doctor and trying to escape the pool.
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Post Post #5057 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:08 am

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Have reisen, Kagerou, and Marisa given reads on Dai?
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Post Post #5058 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:11 am

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The Dai/Kaguya scum team is my favorite conspiracy theory though.

It just explains so much, even though it's complicated and unlikely as shit.
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Post Post #5059 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:13 am

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I'm back but my brain is frozen wrt this game.
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Post Post #5060 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:32 am

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In post 5054, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
In post 5053, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5052, Yuuka Kazami wrote: You said conclusions, not conclusion.
I used the wrong word then? Like this is just something I noticed incidentally when rereading Marisa, I haven't actually reread your ISO yet
Okay. :?
so basically you reserve the right as you have always had the right to change your read whenever you want.
My scumdar is going to look at flimsy reads. I guess it could be political based on supposition of where my reads are at. It could also be vibes I guess. You're running out of time for that read this day phase though.
Hmm maybe giving a relative readslist isn't the clearest

On a scale of -100 to +100:
  1. Kaguya Houraisan +100
  2. Koishi Komeiji +99
  3. Aya Shameimaru +98
  4. Daiyousei +60 .. +90
  5. Yuuka Kazami +10 .. +30
  6. Kagerou Imaizumi -30
  7. Reisen Udongein Inaba -60
  8. Marisa Kirisame -80
You are correct that I haven't re-read you and that my read might change when I do, I just don't expect it to change far enough to the point that it'd disrupt the Marisa>Reisen>Kagerou>Yuuka ordering
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Post Post #5061 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:21 am

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In case I’m dead the next time I can check in I’m gonna leave my legacy reads

Aya/Koishi town
If they made a play as scum with the redirect claim and something else happened to larva that hasn’t unraveled yet then fair play and it’s probably a town loss regardless.

Marisa town
I kinda just want to be right here. I don’t really have much to add to it I’ve just never read their posts and thought hey that’s scummy. The format mech thing doesn’t really make sense to me, maybe it’s relevant maybe it’s not.

Kagerou town
Start of the day I kinda felt like I had too many townreads for kagerou to be town. After some thought I think we ended up pushing all town day 1. Mostly because I don’t think larva tries to get me and others, i don’t know if they actually did this with anyone else, to reconsider on kagerou day 1 with their 1v1 if kagerou is their partner.

Yuuka/kaguya

I think there’s scum in here. Both kinda for similar reasons, I think if either of myself or Marisa flip here they have to be on the right side of a push angle to pull through on the other side of it. Kaguya has kind of turned away from my expectation but I’ve been off out by both of them townreading me for most of the day in a way that reads positionally to me. Similar to what put me off of larva day 1 and how they were playing around slots we now know to have been town.

Yuukas kinda been townreading me to some capacity from the beginning of the game though and that’s really my only hesitation there.

That just leaves dai on the outside for me so finding the townie in kag/yuuka/dai would be my next day plan.
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Post Post #5062 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:21 am

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Thank you for coming back to my ted talk.
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Post Post #5063 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:30 am

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Certainly a novel strategy to scum read the two most active players rn.
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Post Post #5064 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:32 am

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I do agree with the positional on Kaguya FWIW. It's crossed my mind a few times.
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Post Post #5065 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:32 am

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...Why is Dai on the outside for you?
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Post Post #5066 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:43 am

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Can someone explain what playing positional means btw
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Post Post #5067 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:47 am

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It means they're scum reading and town reading who they think they need to, to win rather than because that's what they think.
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Post Post #5068 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:48 am

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That sounds like a completely alien playstyle
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Post Post #5069 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:50 am

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Do people actually play scum like that?
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Post Post #5070 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:53 am

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Political expediency is another way of thinking about it.
I would consider it pretty common. For both alignments.
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Post Post #5071 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:17 am

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How do you read this game and not end up with an opinion on Dai?

I don't find their post bad, but if they were going to make a funeral post I wished they full claimed so we'd have more to work with.
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Post Post #5072 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:22 am

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Their trajectory is appreciated, but I think they should have probably full claimed. I really want to get the Reisen mystery correct.
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Post Post #5073 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:22 am

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Oh, short term memory fail.
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Post Post #5074 (ISO) » Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:28 am

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Positional play is super common though. Scum post facto justify what they will need to believe to win as opposed to coming to logical conclusions.

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