Open 908: Aureal Is Hoarding All The Game Names | Game Over

[Dannflor]

I'm not sure why you are expecting it to be

idk because that's kind of the whole game?

I don't know how to read you if you don't believe in anything

[Black]

There are town games of mine where I'm not confident about anything so using this as a way to paint me as scum feels really weird

[the worst]

Have you spoken about why you are so confident in town!tw? I might have missed it

i think the most compact tangible point that I can point to is the whole thing about misinterpreting PC's claim and thinking the game was solved

but in addition to that there's a lot of small things that have kinda added up

i think 937 is a type of epiphany post that comes from town more often than not

i think in general he's cared about solving the game today and more importantly getting the Right answer

937 is a post I'm really annoyed nobody else found interesting

[Dannflor]

Like right now I feel like a lot of your solving posting feels fake and I don't know how I'm supposed to tell the difference between a town!Black who doesn't believe in what they are posting because of whatever circumstances and a scum!Black who is faking everything

[Dannflor]

There are town games of mine where I'm not confident about anything so using this as a way to paint me as scum feels really weird

I"M NOT TRYING TO PAINT YOU AS SCUM

[Dannflor]

There are town games of mine where I'm not confident about anything so using this as a way to paint me as scum feels really weird

I know! idk if I'm not articulating myself well enough but it's not just about you not being confident

I think you can not be confident and still *believe* in things, does that make sense? I think you have that quality even in games where you have no confidence

[the worst]

I'm getting nothing else from the last page this is either meta or black doesn't want to be scumread or both

[the worst]

fwiw this resonates with me dann. I'm hyper critical of that resonance because I feel like a lot of the stretches Black is making are specifically in her casing of me. and I'm me and I don't really want to be scumread so like of course I'm going to dislike that. but it has felt a bit inauthentic! like sometimes I feel like black feels I deserve a lim moreso than I feel like black feels like eliminating me will win the game.

[the worst]

I'm still kinda annoyed at the whole

- dann suggests black is scum
- I ask others for input on solving black's alignment
- black says I'm scum for pandering to your scumread
- v little input on solving black's alignment

eh fuck it
VOTE: Black
I don't really think this goes over super well for me but a minimum of [PC, NM] are aggressively not playing this game so idk if there's a whole lot of point in me tryharding any more!!

[Black]

There are town games of mine where I'm not confident about anything so using this as a way to paint me as scum feels really weird

I know! idk if I'm not articulating myself well enough but it's not just about you not being confident

I think you can not be confident and still *believe* in things, does that make sense? I think you have that quality even in games where you have no confidence

I guess I'm confused because I do believe in things. I believe you might be town and I'm willing to trust your read on Klick. I also believe there's a chance you're scum that started leaning into the whole fluid solving thing after I vocally townread you for it. I believe implo's solving feels better than tw's. I believe a NM fade is probably more of a 55/45 shot instead of 50/50 now

I don't know what you want from me

[Black]

I'm getting nothing else from the last page this is either meta or black doesn't want to be scumread or both

Who

wants

to be scumread? Personally I fucking hate it

[Black]

Please fade tw after me. Thanks

[the worst]

Please fade tw after me. Thanks

i think you stopped trying to solve me and started trying to prove my guilt a while ago. your read on me has felt regressive for like this entire phase.

if you're town I hope this becomes an insightful learning experience or something idk. this wasn't meant to sound condescending but i don't know how else to respond to this post. it's like a caricature of the behaviour that makes me think you're playing this phase like scum.

[Black]

i think you stopped trying to solve me and started trying to prove my guilt a while ago.

You're wrong. If this were the case then I wouldn't be considering worlds where you're town, and I wouldn't be asking a townread of mine to elaborate on his read of you

if you're town I hope this becomes an insightful learning experience or something idk. this wasn't meant to sound condescending but i don't know how else to respond to this post.

I don't think a response was necessary tbh

[the worst]

maybe!

[Black]

eh maybe I was too quick to clear dann

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[implosion]

okay. i think i am coming around to duck-town; that post from duck dann linked is interesting in that yeah, black hammering without a claim is terrible form as town in this setup. i'm recalibrating a bit.

[implosion]

i do also think information is a really useless metric in this situation; right now from a neutral PoV there are six people and one of those six is scum. every wrong lim gives us the same information, that one of those people is not scum. I don't think the info "the worst isn't scum" is more information than the info "not_mafia isn't scum" because it's not like it helps us solve other people better. it's not like worst flipping town would give dann a bunch of scum equity whereas not_mafia flipping town would give black a bunch of scum equity, because both the worst and not_mafia are town in both of those worlds.

[Black]

okay. i think i am coming around to duck-town; that post from duck dann linked is interesting in that yeah, black hammering without a claim is terrible form as town in this setup. i'm recalibrating a bit.

I'm not sure why that post is enough to make you townread tw. If he's scum then it's pretty clear that his objective here is to misfade me or NM. This post fits into that agenda nicely

I will agree that the hammer was bad form, absolutely, but bad form doesn't equal scummy. I would argue that townies make questionable decisions like that more often than scum

[Dannflor]

VOTE: black

[Klick]

I've gone and looked through a few duck games but I feel like I haven't gotten much of use out of them

I feel like the biggest difference between tw-town and tw-scum is a level of comfort and enjoyment that I've only seen from them as town. I think the worst is relaxing and enjoying this game at a level that's similar to their town play
But I think that's hard to really rely on, because 1) the worst has already talked about how they've been enjoying Mafia more on the whole lately since their return, and 2) this is a particularly enjoyable game/playerlist to the point that even if they're scum, I could see them having this level of fun anyway

Outside of that, nothing that the worst has posted in this game feels outside the level of engagement he's capable of as scum.

[implosion]

okay. i think i am coming around to duck-town; that post from duck dann linked is interesting in that yeah, black hammering without a claim is terrible form as town in this setup. i'm recalibrating a bit.

I'm not sure why that post is enough to make you townread tw. If he's scum then it's pretty clear that his objective here is to misfade me or NM. This post fits into that agenda nicely

I will agree that the hammer was bad form, absolutely, but bad form doesn't equal scummy. I would argue that townies make questionable decisions like that more often than scum

Not just that post, there are other things that I'll explain soon maybe

[Dannflor]

Okay I walked away and tried to do a little mental reset thing and reread the first half of D1

We should probably just yeet Not_Mafia today tbh

I don't think anyone has a compelling reason for NM to be town. If I'm honest with myself, I don't want to vote him because scum!Not_Mafia is an unsatisfying answer and as a mafia addict I'm forever chasing the dopamine of catching someone who is actually trying to play the game. But, like, a lesson I keep having to relearn is that more often than not games are actually easier than I want them to be.


Looking back over D1 with a clearer head, I think the associations between Black/ceejay are kinda unintuitive from buddies. I think Ceejay's entrance town read on Black is just like statistically more likely to be the type of read that lands on a random townie rather than a scum team mate. ceejay later did this thing where he kinda forgot that he walked back the read on Black a little and I think he would've kept better track of that if Black was his scum partner. Black town reads ceejay in a lukewarm kind of way but then makes 436 and later does the weird hammer thing and that's just a super not straightforward, uncomittal, and unintuitive way to distance with a scum partner. I don't think it's out of Black's scum range to hard defend her partner or to bus, but the specific hedgey way she kind of did both and neither just feels like someone genuinely uninformed of ceejay's alignment. I also think someone hammering ceejay because they have a strong PR read and want to ride the cred to end game would've played around the hammer in a more performative way.

the main argument purported that Not_Mafia might be town is that he entered the thread calling ceejay scum

looking at this entrance in context, it's important to note that ceejay was already at 3 votes at this time and had been called out by the worst as the most likely lim if the day were to suddenly end. but Not_Mafia doesn't join the wagon and instead votes the worst


like does the progression of the VC in 431 to 434 without a vote, to 578 fit any conceivable model of town!NM?


When Not_Mafia rejoins the ceejay wagon in 650, the wagons between ceejay and the worst are tied, and NM only moves from the worst to ceejay after I state that we should just go ceejay, there's talk of consolidation, and Black asks ceejay for a claim.

after ostensible scum reading the worst d1, not_mafia goes from sheepin the worst today, to voting the worst

that's like the bulk of his content and I can't really read much of it but I guess I'd expect some sort of coherent trajectory from him and like if Not_mafia's partner was ceejay I'm not sure NM would really play this any different than he has

so like yeah i just want to kill this VOTE: Not Mafia

at this point we have 1 scum left with no associations to hunt for so it's not like Not_Mafia is suddenly going to be producing any more alignment indicative content anyway

[Not_Mafia]

promise you'll sheep me in f3?
hypothetically speaking of course

VOTE: the worst

I really don't like this vote

I thought it was scummy when he posted it but I also thought he was hard claiming PR