Open 908: Aureal Is Hoarding All The Game Names | Game Over

[Aureal]

The next game name weirdly somehow seems to jump up aggressively at you:

Mafia: a

game

of

page

top

acquisition

2.05

Votecount 2.05

Current Votes

the worst (3/4)

-> Political Clout (907), Black (943), Not_Mafia (968)

Black (1/4)

-> the worst (1008)

Not_Mafia (1/4)

-> Dannflor (1023)

Not Voting (2)

-> Klick, implosion

The day deadline is 7 days ((expired on 2024-04-12 00:43:03) remaining).

[the worst]

Klick & implo sorry to rush y'all but we have 48 hours left and your votes are pretty essential. Hammering me isn't illegal if that's ur call but not voting kind of just dooms us to status quo.

[Dannflor]

oh hell why is that the VC

I really don’t want to kill the worst today

[Dannflor]

I want Black or NM

Implosion only if Klick feels super strongly about that

[implosion]

i don't particularly want tw either, i'll generate some Content

[Dannflor]

[implosion]

I think the comments about tw seeming to enjoy himself ring true to his play over time. Even if he thinks it isn't actually AI, the sort of wholistic way he's interacting with the game over time feels like he is trying to do things and like his response to me kind of being a bit of an ass to him reads-wise (as in, staunch refusal to commit to anything on him/leaving him at mildly scummy for that reason forever) sort of reads over time as genuine. I think Dann's points on him are decent as well

[implosion]

I really don't understand why there is seemingly 0 impetus to critically analyze dannflor right now though. I maybe missed people's current reasons that they said but I feel like like, black and maybe others have just said "eh we'll come back here later if needed" and i don't feel great about that!

[Dannflor]

I’m just so town!

[Dannflor]

Idk do you have specific concerns beyond me not being out of my scum range

[Dannflor]

personally I feel I’ve been quite towny this game

[implosion]

At this moment I'm feeling like my vote lands on Black a lot of the time. The only reason I drifted off her is bc the hammer seems like bad play as scum. I think there's plenty of potential human motivation to do it though, either her being frustrated at scumbuddy being basically consigned d1 or her wanting to just try something or whatever. Yeah, I think townies do make questionable decisions more often than scum in some sense but the decision to quickhammer ceejay is questionable in a very different way as town vs as scum. Both are questionable because they sort of "obviously" lose some equity in your side winning; as scum because you could have had ceejay claim and draw a counter, as town because you could be hammering a power role. But as scum there's clear compensation to that; you get to say you quickhammered the scum power role. As town there's really no clear compensation from a strategic perspective, and yeah the scum compensation is arguably bad but it's entirely possible to panic as scum on d1 in a setup like this and think that something like that is your only long-term viable wincon. To me this also kind of doesn't feel like the kind of game that town (other than NM) often quickhammers in; it's a good player list, it's a game lots of people are watching, idk.

[implosion]

Idk do you have specific concerns beyond me not being out of my scum range

I've mentioned a lot of your play seems to follow the path and strategic sensibilities that I think you would have as scum here

[implosion]

I guess I haven't really mentioned that for "a lot of" your play but etc

[Dannflor]

Do you suppose my town path and sensibilities would be very different

[implosion]

i'm not sure, and i tend to settle on "probably not particularly".

I suspect that there could exist games where I could get a real, correct townread on you, but this has not been one of them. Are there aspects of your play in this game that you think I in particular ought to view as unlikely to come from you as scum?

[the worst]

I really don't understand why there is seemingly 0 impetus to critically analyze dannflor right now though. I maybe missed people's current reasons that they said but I feel like like, black and maybe others have just said "eh we'll come back here later if needed" and i don't feel great about that!

I’m just so town!

this is kinda where i keep getting to!

i do frequently have those like "dann does need to do x [or similar] as scum here" and then i'm either like "...or as town", or like "...but i'm doing the same thing". i don't think this is a very easy game to catch a deepwolf in. i also think dann just has higher town equity than like everyone else except generally klick.

there's stuff on d1 where i think dann did a lot to keep ceejay in the spotlight. like this post is a random example i found when i zoomed through his iso for a supporting example for 4.3 seconds.

The worst what did you mean by it not feeling like time to vote ceejay yet

this is a good question. it's not really attempting to

imply

anything that's going to make my life harder when his partner ceejay flips, and similarly it kinda just keeps the pressure on ceejay without being over the top about it.

i do think bussing d1 in a micro is great!! but i feel like it wasn't really a commitment to yeeting ceejay, he kind of just was on dann's radar for an adequate amount of time and then he came to the same conclusion as a bunch of the rest of us. he's approached day two with a level of integrity which he just simply does not need to if he is scum. he regularly takes a lot of risks with his reads which i don't think are either natural or necessary to secure the lims he needs to get through this game as scum. i think he's also done things which are mmmm ostensibly scummy but has done them in a way that's just so smooth. not smooth talking i know he can do that as scum. like, the NM push for example. i doubt that's something dann feels all that great about. i think that's something dann knows looks disproportionately scummy vs. other things he could be doing at the time. i think the way he came to it was natural, and i think it's a case that's relatively hard to make without cognitive load as scum in this gamestate.

catching scum dann without associates is also like, very difficult right now, but at pure face value he kind of passes a smell test too.

i sort of went to reply to this vaguely & abstractly and came up with these examples accidentally. that's how much i think dann is town this game!!

[the worst]

Idk do you have specific concerns beyond me not being out of my scum range

I've mentioned a lot of your play seems to follow the path and strategic sensibilities that I think you would have as scum here

Do you suppose my town path and sensibilities would be very different

i'm not sure, and i tend to settle on "probably not particularly".

i've had this conversation with my heart like 8 times this game about dann.
klick is the only person here who i think is close to breaking their scumrange. i also think klick's scumgame is a bit underrated so i don't say that super lightly tbh. everyone here's just a lil shade of grey as a treat.

[the worst]

dann is it a trench coat or an overcoat that the tenth doctor wears?

this is a loaded question

[Dannflor]

overcoat i think

[implosion]

VOTE: Black

[the worst]

overcoat i think

i agree

ok you're town

[Dannflor]

i'm not sure, and i tend to settle on "probably not particularly".

I suspect that there could exist games where I could get a real, correct townread on you, but this has not been one of them. Are there aspects of your play in this game that you think I in particular ought to view as unlikely to come from you as scum?

Shrug

I guess taken individually I don’t think any one post or facet of my play is unfakeable for me but i think they add up to a more ethereal town meta for me - this is sort of similar to my read on the worst tbh

fireisredsir is pretty good at reading me and I think he’s probably explaining to the spec thread why im town right now

I guess then main thing I can think of is that I’m pretty optically inclined as scum. I’m thinking of what is going to look best for my agenda and while I have an agenda as town too, I don’t really care how i look while pursuing it

You were comparing the wall post I made in Toriel’s Patience with my wall post this game. I think the wall post in that game was specifically crafted to make me look good and help either me or bingle end game

in this game, i cased black and then half heartedly voted ceejay

I’ve swapped who I want dead today like 20 times

I’ve been pretty open about not feeling firm on you either way

I feel like you can track my trajectory through then game and see it’s not really planned. If I have goals beyond just trying to figure out the game then they are elusive and absurd. My interactions with ceejay are so middling. I’m not playing to end game im playing to be right

I don’t know that any of that will be particularly convincing, but I think that’s about the wavelength to tune into to read me correctly.

I’m pretty aware of the differences in my play as both alignments but thus far I haven’t truly managed to capture the kind of aimlessness that I think really characterizes my town play, probably because I’m not even sure it would benefit me enough to try

[Dannflor]

the worst had a better town case on me

[implosion]

fwiw in this specific moment i think black has quite good scum equity