open 910 - a series of extremely codependent relationships i {game overrr)

[Doctor Drew]

Drew did you roll lover with someone else

What?! No....I only have eyes for you

Jupiter is setting me up, don't believe what he has field you

VOTE: Sunflower

[Doctor Drew]

Drew did you roll lover with someone else

What?! No....I only have eyes for you

Jupiter is setting me up, don't believe what he has field you

VOTE: Sunflower

*Lol, told not field

[Doctor Drew]

Also I totally thought this was a regular lovers game, I was wondering why I didn't have a lover lol

Color me disappointed

[Doctor Drew]

Drew did you roll lover with someone else

What?! No....I only have eyes for you

Forgetting last night are we. Bit hurtful
VOTE: Doc

*Be quiet, Black is right there*

I have no idea what you are talking about, Bianco and/or Enchant

[Doctor Drew]

Good choice. Many villains are doctors after all and this one has shadow-horns.

p edit: yeah but if they do that then we lim the hammerer next day and get both scum

Only the shadow version of me is evil, I am actually a good doctor

[Doctor Drew]

Okay but don't most good doctors also have good shadows?

No it is a yin and yang thing, I have projected all evil onto my shadow........I am actually all goody two shoes and never would hurt a soul

[Doctor Drew]

First, about myself. I'm new to this site, but not new to Mafia. I don't want to reveal anything more about my experience though.

VOTE: Bloodb0t

hi

ok y U no counterwagon? I'm a good boy, vote the duplicitous doctor.

Bloodbot denier of science confirmed

[Doctor Drew]

nope

nope

High level mafia right here

[Doctor Drew]

I am not liking Sunflower at all. Too much dumbtells for my taste.

what did i do

Well played

[Doctor Drew]

I do think Enchant is town, Bianco not so sure about

[Doctor Drew]

I do think Enchant is town, Bianco not so sure about

Why is Enchant town?

I feel like Enchant is more try hard as town, and is already showing that vibe kinda calling out Jupiter, in the midst of mainly RVS stuff

[Doctor Drew]

So it is just Drew/White Lotus huh

Well no, just me and Bianco ......clearly I said Enchant is town

[Doctor Drew]

yeah ummm black is scum

Why?

Her questioning of Blood seems fine

[Doctor Drew]

yeah ummm black is scum

Why?

Her questioning of Blood seems fine

feels like it

I guess I can't judge going the vibes route lol

yeah ummm black is scum

Why?

Her questioning of Blood seems fine

i liked it at first and then it kept going and then i didn't like it

Ok, what do you think of Blood than?

[Doctor Drew]

oops

Lol, that is impressive to slip not with your main, but an alt

[Doctor Drew]

yeah

Ok now you are trolling

[Doctor Drew]

let's not focus on it please thanks

Ok, but what do you think of blood?

[Doctor Drew]

This game designed that all town must vote mafia member, or we never win.


Watch out for "early game" busses or taunts.

But if the bus hits one scum, they both die, so why would scum do that?

I want to know how Enchant reacts to this post from Blood

[Doctor Drew]

I'm back online and have read through everything. I have a schedule, but I should be able to post every day. Before I talk about anything else, I want to clarify a term - what is an MO?

Modus operandi.......I assume that is what you are alluding to.

Like, your goal....or what are you trying to accomplish

[Doctor Drew]

I'm back online and have read through everything. I have a schedule, but I should be able to post every day. Before I talk about anything else, I want to clarify a term - what is an MO?

Also if you have read through everything, any thoughts on anything?

[Doctor Drew]

I didn't post because i was on other device and opening message which contains password from this account and entering it was too much work for me.

Probably biggest disadvantage of being hydra. Another one is dealing with eyecrushing site theme my hydra partner picked (HOW YOU PLAY WITH THIS ON CONSTANT MANNER).
Why i don't change theme? Oh well. I am lazy.

Huh, gameadvancing content? Okay.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I have been partnered with Bianco, I know the struggle lol

This game designed that all town must vote mafia member, or we never win.


Watch out for "early game" busses or taunts.

But if the bus hits one scum, they both die, so why would scum do that?

I want to know how Enchant reacts to this post from Blood

But also this, for literal game advancing content

[Doctor Drew]

Simple.

Mafia can only afford to "jokingly" bus each other early game, then ride on this distancing until end game. (spoiler: That's mostly how mafia acts in normal games as well).
Mafia who cover each other no matter what is rare.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I actually was curious if you would call out this as a dumb tell just like you called out Sunflower

VOTE: Lotus

[Doctor Drew]

Simple.

Mafia can only afford to "jokingly" bus each other early game, then ride on this distancing until end game. (spoiler: That's mostly how mafia acts in normal games as well).
Mafia who cover each other no matter what is rare.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I actually was curious if you would call out this as a dumb tell just like you called out Sunflower

VOTE: Lotus

What dumb tell?

This game designed that all town must vote mafia member, or we never win.


Watch out for "early game" busses or taunts.

But if the bus hits one scum, they both die, so why would scum do that?

I want to know how Enchant reacts to this post from Blood

Blood's

[Doctor Drew]

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

[Doctor Drew]

So explain why Sunflower was dumbtelling

[Doctor Drew]

So explain why Sunflower was dumbtelling

Directed at Enchant lol

[Doctor Drew]

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

It looks like 200% more ugly on this theme.

Also if i am wrong you freely can to post what "dumbtell" about otherwise i just consider you want to fight me.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I admit, I did want to troll you since I know how much you love the yellow m&m lol

But I don't understand how you think that scum will try to act like they are bussing in this game, and warn us all about it......then when someone acts all innocent like 'why would scum buss here??'.....you just agree that it is a dumb play.

Ya see the contradiction?

[Doctor Drew]

Also I totally thought this was a regular lovers game, I was wondering why I didn't have a lover lol

Color me disappointed

Yup, I signed up because lovers is one of my favorite setups

[Doctor Drew]

But I don't understand how you think that scum will try to act like they are bussing in this game, and warn us all about it......then when someone acts all innocent like 'why would scum buss here??'.....you just agree that it is a dumb play.

Ya see the contradiction?

Simple.

Mafia can only afford to "jokingly" bus each other early game, then ride on this distancing until end game. (spoiler: That's mostly how mafia acts in normal games as well).
Mafia who cover each other no matter what is rare.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

I sometimes forget to sign up so if message looks like brainrot it's probably me.

By me i mean Wizard Enchanticus

PEDIT: I don't know what dumbtell you are about. Blood is in fact correct: Bussing teammate ends game.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

Put the flask down doc. Context clues should be telling you quite clearly that 135 means that bussing (as in, voting a scumbuddy) early game is viable, and 140 (and blood's post for that matter) that a bus succesfully landing (as in, causing a lim) ends the game. Which, as it turns out, is no contradiction
~b

Did you not understand my issue and why I called it a contradiction?

Both what Sunflower and what Blood said could be construed as a dumb tell, yet Enchant only called one out.

Admittedly saying Sunflower was dumb telling especially since it was the first real 'read' of the game made me think Enchant was town, but how they, and now you', are dancing around Blood seems sketch to me.

[Doctor Drew]

Did you not understand my issue and why I called it a contradiction?

Both what Sunflower and what Blood said could be construed as a dumb tell, yet Enchant only called one out.

Admittedly saying Sunflower was dumb telling especially since it was the first real 'read' of the game made me think Enchant was town, but how they, and now you', are dancing around Blood seems sketch to me.

You are right, I don't understand your issue. What blood said is not a dumbtell, at least not by my definition; that would require blood to say something mechanically false which just didn't happen.

Btw, what do you rekon scum!we are shadowly doing here? Is blood our buddy?
~b

Well it wasn't 'we', it was Enchant. And this isn't an argument about whether Blood, or Sunflower, was dumb telling or not.

Enchant called out Jupiter(Sunflower) for a perceived dumb tell, but not Blood for something that can definitely be called a dumb tell.

Hence why I pointed out the inconsistency, does this mean Blood is scum with you(your words not mine)....that isn't even close to the issue I have here.

[Doctor Drew]

Ha, no idea why there is a sad emoji there

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, any thoughts on mirrored?

This game designed that all town must vote mafia member, or we never win.


Watch out for "early game" busses or taunts.

I am not liking Sunflower at all. Too much dumbtells for my taste.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

Just throwing this quote in, because the first two lines are the opposite of Sunflower's "dumbtell." There are arguments that both stating things that scum would be aware of (e.g. all town has to be against them) and seeming like you're not aware (e.g. assuming scum has nightkill) can be scummy. I personally can't read too much into either of these two opposites.

Doctor Drew kind of took the words out of my mouth, still wanted to point this out myself anyway. Good for him I guess?

I remember reading this just before the site crashed last night and I didn't understand why they were going out of their way to praise me, not sure if this was an original thought they had or just trying to latch onto my argument........so if I squint maybe I see something scummy here.

But I don't understand your argument about them being scummy because they are withholding their prior experience

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, any thoughts on mirrored?

Also thought it was funny how they 'mirrored' your avatar

Town points their in my scorecard lol

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, any thoughts on mirrored?

Also thought it was funny how they 'mirrored' your avatar

Town points their in my scorecard lol

Like for real town-points from this or just for the lols?

I never joke around, I am always super serious

Lol, yes for the lulz.....though is definitely something that makes me like his style

[Doctor Drew]

Did you not understand my issue and why I called it a contradiction?

Both what Sunflower and what Blood said could be construed as a dumb tell, yet Enchant only called one out.

Admittedly saying Sunflower was dumb telling especially since it was the first real 'read' of the game made me think Enchant was town, but how they, and now you', are dancing around Blood seems sketch to me.

You are right, I don't understand your issue. What blood said is not a dumbtell, at least not by my definition; that would require blood to say something mechanically false which just didn't happen.

Btw, what do you rekon scum!we are shadowly doing here? Is blood our buddy?
~b

Well it wasn't 'we', it was Enchant. And this isn't an argument about whether Blood, or Sunflower, was dumb telling or not.

Enchant called out Jupiter(Sunflower) for a perceived dumb tell, but not Blood for something that can definitely be called a dumb tell.

Ok Drew trolling at this point.

We can go 1vs1 in this case.

VOTE: Drew

~ Wizard Enchanticus

Sometimes Enchant is just scum......I miss Flavor Leaf

Now that is actually trolling you Enchant, not prodding you for inconsistent reads

*Insert yellow m&m here*

[Doctor Drew]

I thought it was funny too but I've seen you have some out-there theories so I was just wondering.

My reputation proceeds me lol

And tbf, I do sometimes codify a town read with joking reasons, even if the town read is legit(though not the case here to be clear)

[Doctor Drew]

From what I've seen of Drew he tends to latch on to weird details and annoy people as town. I haven't played in any games where he was scum but I read one of them and he seemed a lot more cautious. Maybe Drew is wrong about you but I decided to vote you because my 2 top town reads are already voting you.

@White Lotus

Are you laying blame for being wrong on these townreads, or why you search excuses and ping me to look at them? It ceirtanly made me feel better, you are not to blame, it's those two townreads.

~ Wizard Enchanticus

It is possible our definitions of a dumb tell are different, since I believed Blood's post about scum bussing was weird since it seemed obvious that you weren't talking about an actual full buss

That is the issue I had with you and that you didn't push back on Blood

And ya, the way Bianco was hard defending you and how hard you came after me was scummy as shit.......but I kinda feel Blood voting you is giving me pause a bit(yes I thought it could be you as buddies)

Especially since he didn't state that it was E-1

[Doctor Drew]

Ok makes sense.

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Blood, you said you wanted some scum games from me right? Here is one, when home on my laptop I will dig up some more if you want.

Black was also in this game as town, she said she has trouble reading me, but I thought I remember her pretty much on me as scum that game(even had me fooled thinking that she town read me lol), so I feel like she would at least be ok at reading me here.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok makes sense.

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Blood, you said you wanted some scum games from me right? Here is one, when home on my laptop I will dig up some more if you want.

Black was also in this game as town, she said she has trouble reading me, but I thought I remember her pretty much on me as scum that game(even had me fooled thinking that she town read me lol), so I feel like she would at least be ok at reading me here.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

I mean, you should have a decent idea of my town game as well.

[Doctor Drew]

What do you think your scum and town tells are?

Lol, I guess that is a good question.....though it seems when I feel like I am the most townie I get scum read.

But I guess I am just a hero in my own head

And tbf, I am aware of my perception and have learned to lean into it as scum.

So I would say there is probably more 'fakeness' from my scum game, if you really peel the layers back a bit

[Doctor Drew]

Probably should have specified that was the game I read.

viewtopic.php?t=91997

Here is another, started off in a hydra with Gamma, before they repped out

[Doctor Drew]

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Ironically another 9:12, I am very proud of this game lol

[Doctor Drew]

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Also very proud, overall, of this Booney Tunez game

[Doctor Drew]

What's your read on me Drew

Prob town

The only thing that gives me a slight pause is you coming across as town leader a bit, like trying to control the line of questioning, but that is probably more paranoia than anything.

I do feel like you should get my town game more, at the very least, but again again I understand I come across as a riddle wrapped in an enigma lol

[Doctor Drew]

So it is just Drew/White Lotus huh

What if this is just correct

Could be... But then WL insisting on the 1v1 seems to go against that?

You can see them already backing off of the Drew scumread though. I don't think they intend to actually go through with it

And my vote stays on WL, I like to buss....but not in a game this size, and would be very dangerous to keep my vote on my buddy for this long, no?

Black, you may have answered this already, but something just popped into my head.

Do you find us(WL and I) both scummy because of associatives.....or just mainly individually?

[Doctor Drew]

hm
blood/mirrored hot take for now, will return later

I don't hate this, were there any interactions between the two?

[Doctor Drew]

I know she isn't around too much on the weekend, but I really want to hear from Black

[Doctor Drew]

Apologies, didn't realize it had been so long.

Still at work though, will be back a little later

[Doctor Drew]

i'm reluctant to believe that blood/mirrored are partners. it'd be funny if they were, especially with the dogs, but the main reason I'm more reluctant on this was because of the post where mirrored asks blood to vote with them

I am not sure why that would matter

[Doctor Drew]

i'm reluctant to believe that blood/mirrored are partners. it'd be funny if they were, especially with the dogs, but the main reason I'm more reluctant on this was because of the post where mirrored asks blood to vote with them

I am not sure why that would matter

too obvious, would be better to do in scum pt

That is some tasty wifom

[Doctor Drew]

I think scum are probably sunflower and drew, not for interactions but as process of elimination.

What was this process you used?

[Doctor Drew]

I want to sleep, but some quick opinions on potential scumteams. A Sun/Blood team doesn't seem likely considering the progression of Sun's reads on Blood - I'm not sure, though, considering that Sun's gradual flip might be coordinated for all how arbitrary it seems. It definitely feels forced, but Sun could have done the same to a town Blood too to have a potential push besides me in VoLo.

Blood/Drew is similar in that there is suspicion between them, but this isn't enough to clear them (especially in light of what I said last post).

Sun/Drew fits the bill of two players who TR each other. Drew is the towniest player to Sun (without Sun hard TRing him), while IIRC (and after a quick look through the ISO) Drew hasn't read Sun beyond any potential passing comments. Based on this, I'd want to say this is the likeliest scumteam under a simple analysis, but I do remember a series of interactions, most infamously about the dumbtells, that makes me hesitant to decide here that this is the scumteam, however strong my read feels now after a bit of thought.

Why are you saying that I town read Sun, and then say I don't have a read on them.

And why no mention of Black? Is she your too town read?

[Doctor Drew]

day ends in 15 hours y'all

Well shit, I will be around for the next few hours at the very least....but not at deadline

Who are we think buddy? Err, not buddy



Pre Edit: You or me it seems

[Doctor Drew]

drew, who would you vote if you were forced to right now?

Blood

[Doctor Drew]

drew, who would you vote if you were forced to right now?

Blood

why?

Not much besides poe and feel that blood was kinda buddying me

I don't think it is you or Black, and mirrored could simply be the buddy...... hopefully it is just that simple

Pre Edit: Jesus man lol, I was ordering dinner(and possibly enjoying a drink.....not whiskey though lol)

[Doctor Drew]

I know she isn't around too much on the weekend, but I really want to hear from Black

Drew what was going on in your head when you wrote this

It's the same reason I thought you would know my town game

[Doctor Drew]

drew why do you townread us, and when did that start?

I just mentioned, poe

I don't think you and Black are scum

[Doctor Drew]

(and possibly enjoying a drink.....not whiskey though lol)

You mean you actually drink other things? gasp

Beer is just whiskey that hasn't been distilled yet

[Doctor Drew]

Do you find us(WL and I) both scummy because of associatives.....or just mainly individually?

I feel like scum!Drew is more likely to ask this question than town!Drew

Please explain

This was in response to you and Blood posturing that the team was WL and I

Like, if WL flipped scum I see the angle you have here.....maybe

Pre Edit: What? When did I call Black scum by poe??

[Doctor Drew]

drew why do you townread us, and when did that start?

I just mentioned, poe

I don't think you and Black are scum

you said blood was scum by poe

and we're town by poe

there's gotta be a read somewhere they can't both be poe

blood, not black

I think Black is definitely town, I think Blood is definite scum....it is poe for Blood, but with the most scum pings for me

Between you and mirror I feel it is more likely you are town

[Doctor Drew]

I know she isn't around too much on the weekend, but I really want to hear from Black

Drew what was going on in your head when you wrote this

It's the same reason I thought you would know my town game

I don't understand this as an answer to my question. Can you rephrase?

I cannot

[Doctor Drew]

Do you find us(WL and I) both scummy because of associatives.....or just mainly individually?

I feel like scum!Drew is more likely to ask this question than town!Drew

Please explain

This was in response to you and Blood posturing that the team was WL and I

Like, if WL flipped scum I see the angle you have here.....maybe

Pre Edit: What? When did I call Black scum by poe??

I guess let me ask you this first. Why did you ask me this? Like what were you hoping to get out of the line of questioning

You postulated it was me and WL seemingly as a 'hey wait, is it them?' sort of random thought.

I was trying to figure you out at that point, and didn't fully understand why you would jump to the conclusion that you jumped to.

So I wanted to find out how you came to that conclusion

[Doctor Drew]

i would prefer if you didn't do that!

i am pretty confident that you're town and i currently think it's drew/mirrored for full disclosure

Also would not prefer this

At least we agree on Black as town though lol

[Doctor Drew]

Do you find us(WL and I) both scummy because of associatives.....or just mainly individually?

I feel like scum!Drew is more likely to ask this question than town!Drew

Please explain

This was in response to you and Blood posturing that the team was WL and I

Like, if WL flipped scum I see the angle you have here.....maybe

Pre Edit: What? When did I call Black scum by poe??

I guess let me ask you this first. Why did you ask me this? Like what were you hoping to get out of the line of questioning

You postulated it was me and WL seemingly as a 'hey wait, is it them?' sort of random thought.

I was trying to figure you out at that point, and didn't fully understand why you would jump to the conclusion that you jumped to.

So I wanted to find out how you came to that conclusion

I guess it didn't feel like a solving question to me. You seemed to have some confidence that I was town at the time. You said the only thing holding you back was that I was being a town leader. So this question coming after that seemed more like you were trying to figure out the severity of my scumread on you which I think is more likely to come from scum!you. I think I could just be wrong though

I am a simple man lol, you through out an associative from the sky......I wanted to know the thought process behind it since I couldn't objectively see it

Pre Edit: I stand by that Sun, and I did have bigger post breaking it down more.......but couldn't be assed to write it up again after the site crash.....I definitely am a rage quit person lol

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Mirror

My pizza wasn't as good as I thought it would be

I am fine with either Mirror or Blood......think either one wins it

[Doctor Drew]

I want to fade Drew and I won't have much time before the deadline to get a clearer picture

I'll probably be placing my vote before I go to bed

To bring it full circle, a little whiskey always paints a clearer picture......maybe some black whiskey

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah I think Drew is just scum

I actually think it's probably Drew/Sunflower

Ffs lol

Pre Edit: VOTE: Blood

I am waffling now, but just Blood is just spewing scum now

[Doctor Drew]

surely scum reads their pm right

Personally I have missed many a detail while any alignment lol

But I also skim the setup of most games before signup

Also, something something enchant and mad at dumbtells something something

[Doctor Drew]

enchant is in the dead pt rn SEETHING over how many dumbtells we've all dropped here

Ha.....ok you are town for that mindmeld

Officially town I mean

[Doctor Drew]

ill be back in a bit but i probably wanna vote drew

Do it

Taking me out of the equation(and I guess this is similar to the question about your read on WL and I lol)

Do you really think Sun is scum?

Over Blood and Mirror?

[Doctor Drew]

Black you don't want to plan day 3 first?

Tbf, there is like less than 12 hours to deadline, most of which is overnight here in the states

[Doctor Drew]

Black you don't want to plan day 3 first?

Also, is that acknowledgment that you know my lim doesn't win the game for town?

[Doctor Drew]

wait weren't you already voting drew lol

That is Black's reaction to you right now lol

Still is wrong to hammer me, and I have held back a hammer before as scum......it isn't that crazy of a play

[Doctor Drew]

We lose if it's mirrored/blood

We lose if it's mirrored/blood

yeah

For christ's sake, I have been saying vote either one

[Doctor Drew]

You would say that as scum though

You still really think it is me and sunflower don't you?

You don't think Sun will hammer me

It isn't sun, vote mirror or Blood

[Doctor Drew]

ima hammer once jupiter comes back

I don't understand how you can admit it is probably mirror and Blood, yet hammer me

Just think about that for a second, you too Lady Black

Pre Edit:

VOTE: Mirror

Here we go

[Doctor Drew]

unfortunately i have come to life and i’m stealing our vote VOTE: mirrored

Jupiter FTW!

[Doctor Drew]

i don't think that's ever getting a third vote

Again, what about Blood?

[Doctor Drew]

Literally who is my buddy here????

[Doctor Drew]

i don't think that's ever getting a third vote

Again, what about Blood?

wdym

I am very confident it is Blood and Mirror.....as I have been saying

[Doctor Drew]

i mean if you're on the brink of death voting your partner is a very valid gambit attempt

I didn't vote them until Jupiter voted them, I put them at e-1

I could easily have pivoted to Blood to make it 1v1

I just think one of them voted wins the game

Pre Edit: Well, Black needs to take a stiff shot of whiskey and see what is in front of her......ie scumBlood

[Doctor Drew]

you already were on blood lol there's no "easily pivot to blood"

I meant just fully committed on Blood after Jupiter voted Mirror

[Doctor Drew]

However she votes, I will vote. I take full blame if it's wrong and give her full credit if it's right.

I read this quickly as you would take full credit if she is right haha

Respect

[Doctor Drew]

How are we possibly clearing Blood????

[Doctor Drew]

black, confirming you prefer drew over mirrored? you're clearing blood?

if so ill just hammer

I think it's Drew

Please explain how it not Mirror

[Doctor Drew]

Of course I was scum

Mirror was supposed to be online now so we could manipulate the quick hammer......but I was left by my own devices haha

[Doctor Drew]

Of course I was scum

Mirror was supposed to be online now so we could manipulate the quick hammer......but I was left by my own devices haha

Oof

How dare you roll lovers with someone else though. You deserve to die

My own subconscious made me lay down here so Lady Black could have the victory

I am such a good guy

[Doctor Drew]

Also special shoutout to Enchant, they were banging the drum very early on

[Doctor Drew]

Of course I was scum

Mirror was supposed to be online now so we could manipulate the quick hammer......but I was left by my own devices haha

lol I forgot this game existed for a few hours sorry

No worries, sorry to make it seem like I was calling you out

I thought you played really well as scum