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Post Post #5900 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:07 pm

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In post 5887, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Kagerou can you case the Yuuka/Reisen world?

Yuuka why isn't Kagerou/Reisen a thing?

Reisen why am I scum?
It can be a thing. I just don’t see any positioning that really favors that interpretation in the game.

You’re not at risk. My shot is slaved. You’re only at risk if Aya thinks you’re scum, not if I do.

Right now, I’m stuck in repeatedly considering whether “I’m surprised Marisa is still alive, after claiming multi-voter/whatever”.

I forgot exactly what you said. But it just feels wrong to me.
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Post Post #5901 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:08 pm

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In post 5888, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: Kaguya, if you're town, there's something that should give you pause on me. Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

You talk a lot about strategic moves and that one doesn't make sense.

It also doesn't make sense not to resort Riesen here.

I'm agreeing with Yuuka as of now, but far from locked in. Yuuka/Riesen can also be a thing. Tbh, I can see Reisen with anyone.
What are you even agreeing with me about?
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Post Post #5902 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:13 pm

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In post 5885, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Oh I'm actually a viable lim today here.

Annoying cause in that case winning is only easy if Kagerou is town
How is that easy? It’s the second hardest win for you by a town you country mile.
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Post Post #5903 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:15 pm

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In post 5902, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
In post 5885, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Oh I'm actually a viable lim today here.

Annoying cause in that case winning is only easy if Kagerou is town
How is that easy? It’s the second hardest win for you by a town you country mile.
Winning requires me to be alive
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Post Post #5904 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:17 pm

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In post 5900, Yuuka Kazami wrote: You’re not at risk. My shot is slaved. You’re only at risk if Aya thinks you’re scum, not if I do.
Today yes, tomorrow no
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Post Post #5905 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:20 pm

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That’s a problem for tomorrow you.
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Post Post #5906 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:21 pm

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The good news Kaguya is that at least for today no one has to find anyone. Townies follow my vote.

TOMORROW sucks more. Much more.
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Post Post #5907 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:22 pm

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Oh Yuuka said it for me.
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Post Post #5908 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:26 pm

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Also trying not to alt slip is causing me so much stress. Everyone else is fine cause if they alt slip it just means they follow the confirmed townie today and then read the game overnight for 3p ELO or we have lost already.

If I alt slip the game becomes SO BAD.
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Post Post #5909 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:43 pm

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In post 5906, Aya Shameimaru wrote: The good news Kaguya is that at least for today no one has to find anyone. Townies follow my vote.

TOMORROW sucks more. Much more.
Barring a Kagerou lim all of these problems will still be a problem tomorrow
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Post Post #5910 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:44 pm

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In post 5908, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Also trying not to alt slip is causing me so much stress. Everyone else is fine cause if they alt slip it just means they follow the confirmed townie today and then read the game overnight for 3p ELO or we have lost already.

If I alt slip the game becomes SO BAD.
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Post Post #5911 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:09 pm

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In post 5881, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
In post 5866, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: - Anti-fishing town indicative
When the anti-fishing is anti-fishing their own role no not really
Not to mention it’s just an easy town point thing. Caution preaching is something I do as either alignment and it’s fairly simple to do.
1. Spot town or scum saying something careless or something that might give the scum team an advantage.
2. Admonish them.
3. Profit.
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Post Post #5912 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:15 pm

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In post 5693, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: idk why we're even entertaining Marisa when she's claiming a block spellcard and quadvotered at 7p
This does indeed bother me a lot. + your 180 read on Reisen because yes their theme interferes with people, but not like
that
you know?

Reisen needs to be scum if you’re town.
But that brings me back to, why’d they misread Reisen, like *that?* You know?
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Post Post #5913 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:19 pm

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I really am going to harp on you for not looking at Reisen. It’s not the kind of thing I want to see in a melo situation because it just looks like you’re partners with them.

You know that Kagerou doesn’t look like partners with you, you brought it up yourself that it was unlikely.

So why mess up like this unless it’s just that you’re aiming straight for the goal post.

(I realize I am being annoying, sorry).
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Post Post #5914 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:22 pm

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And before you say I am aiming for the goal post: the *town* goal post :cop:.

I want you to consider what would get in the way of the last town member finding you. It’s pretty much Reisen.
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Post Post #5915 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:30 pm

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Sitting at Kaguya = Reisen > Kagerou.
:yawn:

I have to figure this out. /:
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Post Post #5916 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:25 pm

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In post 5912, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
In post 5693, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: idk why we're even entertaining Marisa when she's claiming a block spellcard and quadvotered at 7p
This does indeed bother me a lot. + your 180 read on Reisen because yes their theme interferes with people, but not like
that
you know?

Reisen needs to be scum if you’re town.
But that brings me back to, why’d they misread Reisen, like *that?* You know?
It's a skill issue coming from deciding to basically 180 my playstyle from mostly readsbased to mostly mechbased. Broadstrokes I was correct in predicting:
  • The flavoring of Marisa's active
  • That flavoring letting her disable abilities (though passives instead of spellcards)
  • Reisen having spellcards that'd be flavorable as blocks
It's the Spellblock part that tripped me up because that's a pretty esoteric effect that looked like the kind of "You see the effect but get the mechanism wrong" that the Flan puzzle piece fit into

Your issue specifically here is that you're taking my aura of competence and assuming it comes from being good at the game in this playstyle instead of it being a separate charisma-based skill I picked up. My mech reads are in actuality pretty mid
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Post Post #5917 (ISO) » Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:49 pm

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VC 5.01
Not Voting:
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Post Post #5918 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:06 am

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To be very specific, I thought the spellblock was being done by Marisa with "Destroyer in the Palm of One's Hand" which is the spellcard flavoring of her active
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Post Post #5919 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:21 am

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Also for the record I still don't actually know what spellcard would let Reisen spellblock specifically
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Post Post #5920 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:32 am

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If you look closely, what I was doing wasn't mechsolving (not that good at it) but flavor solving (touhou nerd) and it's where the disconnect is coming from you.

Like yes, in hindsight I should have realized that if the game needs Reisen to be a spellblocker GIF can fudge the flavor enough to force it through. I wasn't thinking in those terms though, I was thinking in the "ok she's Reisen/Flandre/etc., what design space would their flavoring let them strictly occupy" and came to the conclusion that a strict interpretation of Reisens flavoring wouldn't let her Spellblock while a strict interpretation of Flandres flavoring would let her perform something that'd look like a spellblock by destroying Sanae's spellcards and this short-circuited the question of "ok what if we fudge the flavoring a little"
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Post Post #5921 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:54 am

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Speaking of hindsight. Has Reisen commented much on the thematic elements this game?
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Post Post #5922 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:56 am

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I’ll check, but asking first. I have work this morning. Thankfully only for an hour or two.
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Post Post #5923 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:54 am

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In post 5920, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: If you look closely, what I was doing wasn't mechsolving (not that good at it) but flavor solving (touhou nerd) and it's where the disconnect is coming from you.

Like yes, in hindsight I should have realized that if the game needs Reisen to be a spellblocker GIF can fudge the flavor enough to force it through. I wasn't thinking in those terms though, I was thinking in the "ok she's Reisen/Flandre/etc., what design space would their flavoring let them strictly occupy" and came to the conclusion that a strict interpretation of Reisens flavoring wouldn't let her Spellblock while a strict interpretation of Flandres flavoring would let her perform something that'd look like a spellblock by destroying Sanae's spellcards and this short-circuited the question of "ok what if we fudge the flavoring a little"
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Post Post #5924 (ISO) » Sat Apr 13, 2024 4:02 am

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In post 5752, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote:
In post 5743, Yuuka Kazami wrote: I’m not sure how to interpret Reisen’s am I dead? Post. I see that Marisa voted them then popped their ability so I get where they’re coming from. From that angle

I’m not sure if that’s the natural town response to that, since a town’s person usually would throw suspicion somewhere if they weren’t sure or struggle in some manner, perhaps with a read’s list or something. I think there may be an angle of possible relief and vague amusement in their fingers crossed post. But that’s reading into them, when it’s just not really there.
Someone said she was quadvoter, I checked the vc and it said 4 votes to kill so I just thought I was dead. I don’t think it needs to be said to kill Marisa after I flip. Which clears you if they had flipped scum but. We’re here instead.
Nah. You’re scum for this post I think.
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