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[KayJayQueue]

I guess the problem is with my personality in general because I think I’m bad at everything and it dictates how I do pretty much anything, including play mafia. I’m always scared of doing the wrong thing and I’m learning that that makes for a shitty mafia player. It sucks because I really love playing but this seems to be consistently an issue in my games, and that means I’m the constant in the equation. I’m sorry I was taking it out on you, psyche. This is definitely my own issue that I need to work on.

[biancospino]

3.11

Votecount 3.11

Psyche (3): Titus, Gypyx, KayJayQueue
Gypyx (2): Random Nurse, geraintm

Not Voting (6): Oblivion, Lycanfire, Snow2697, Naerys, Thomith, Psyche

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-17 13:15:36).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Lycanfire]

I'm in a Dutch restaurant in Canada, where the menu is in English, and this is the only item listed in French.

The server corrected me when I asked for Viennese Coffee, insisting it was Viennois Coffee.

Spoiler: img

[Lycanfire]

Any suspicion I have of Kay is absolved if the hood is pure

[Psyche]

wow lycanfire is also like a movie character
what a playerlist

[Lycanfire]

I'm the main character

[Gypyx]

I'm in a Dutch restaurant in Canada, where the menu is in English, and this is the only item listed in French.

The server corrected me when I asked for Viennese Coffee, insisting it was Viennois Coffee.

Spoiler: img

as this game's resident french person i can say invisting about viennois is weird and i love viennese coffee

[Gypyx]

insisting*

[Psyche]

Psyche
Thomith
Random Nurse
Gypyx

Oblivion
geraintm

Naerys
Lycanfire

Snow2697
KayJayQueue
Titus

here's my more conservative read list atm
top tier is "id bet game these are town"
mid tier is "i normal townread these"
second-to-bottom tier is "i expect to townread these"
bottom tier is null. just null.

updated impressions before another dozen pages:

Psyche
Thomith
Random Nurse
Gypyx

KayJayQueue
Snow2697
Titus

Naerys
Lycanfire
Oblivion
geraintm

I'll also aim for a clarified sorting:
top tier: i will bet the game that these are town
mid-tier: i can towncase these slots and the case would probably be accurate
low-tier: i might be able to towncase these slots but the case would maybe be wrong

top and mid tier are sorted, but bottom tier isn't
there's a missing tier -- scum -- that I'll add if/when I find a scumread genuinely unimpeachable.

RN is right that I should have scumreads, but unless I find really obvious lies, in general I prefer a strategy of searching for confident townreads that i can bet the game on, and mainly treat scummy posts as barriers to entry into confident townread territory.
This type of play admits fewer mistakes in my experience, and town-confirming behaviors are more common in mafia games than scum-confirming anyway.

In case people think this is a sign of wishy-washiness, I wanna assure you all that once I have my poe nailed down to a tight enough group, I will probably push it pretty stridently, and commit to it on pain of embarassment.

[Psyche]

VOTE: Willow
is a worthy wagon.

This vote brought the counterwagon to davesaz's wagon (which had 4 people) to 5 people after two quick votes on willow by thomith and pp beforehand.
Part of me wants to interpret it as a sign that dave and willow aren't in a team, but it's hard to weight much as an anti-relational tell given that a lim required 8 votes on D1.
So dave's vote is kind of safe, and didn't shift any real momentum on its own.

[Psyche]

1.08

Votecount 1.08

Little Will o' Wisp (5): Gypyx, JacksonVirgo, Thomith, PenguinPower, davesaz
davesaz (4): Titus, geraintm, Hu Tao, Snow2697
Hu Tao (1): NotAScum
NotAScum (1): KayJayQueue
PenguinPower (1): Naerys
Naerys (1): Little Will o' Wisp

Not Voting (2): Random Nurse, Oblivion

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

uhhhhh
hmmm
uhhh
hmmmm

nahhh let's see if i can form a read apart from all this

[Psyche]

Questions from Gypyx and geraintm make sense.
I do not rule out possibility that Wisp is scum who tries to compromise three town players (Kay - Oblivion - Naerys).
But what worries me most of all here is that Naerys is refusing to respond to questions about her thinking and its reasons.

I will say in a recent completed game as Town Naerys refused to answer my questions so we yeeted her. She's done this as Town.

same! what kind of play does sort naeyrs then? im having a hard time imagining how i decide i scumread a player with this meta instead of just thinking they make a lot of bad decisions
no matter what page i show up in on this thread the question imposes itself on me
does anyone still alive have a theory of what naeyrs scum looks like?

[Psyche]

buddy - i want people to vote becuase it creates objective information to look back on once there are flips. this is a stance that i am well known for taking. there's nothing more to it than that.

still hard to shrug off how weird it is that stuff like this is public information and established in the thread but a basis for a scumread by page 80 or whatever

[Psyche]

Just because a wagon is big(ger) doesn’t make it the right move.

And I say this as someone who is still willing to vote Will’o. I’m just saying I don’t think that’s a great way to look at wagons.

Wanna vote dave?

Oh no is this the peer pressure my mom warned me about…

davesaz declined

I wouldn't be opposed to a NotAScum wagon here either I don't think.

Finally, I’ve found my people lol I only unvoted him because I didn’t think anyone cared about him (which I believe is his strategy)

Maybe I shouldn’t second guess myself.


VOTE: NAS

NAS accepted...but seems genuine tbh

tbf i would be fine with a NAS yeet. worked out very well last time.

boooooooo

[Psyche]

Titus pretty strongly beat the wisptown/davescum drum early D1; can be said to have derailed the wisp wagon herself. But shifted to NAS kinda suddenly and then stuck to that for rest of game. Maybe I'm not respecting deadline pressure enough to understand why. But townlean does seem substantially supported, at least from D1 play.

[Psyche]

The resistance to NAS is telling.

god i hate this trope

[Psyche]

Think willows VT claim pretty much clinches him as town for me.

[Psyche]

Spoiler: kayjayque trajectory on NAS

If you had a button to eliminate any player this second without ending the day, and they would flip, who would you choose?

My actual answer to that is incredibly biased and probably unfair so for the sake of the game, I’d say Will’o.

It does not want your political answer, it wants your actual answer.

NotAScum

Maybe I shouldn’t second guess myself.


VOTE: NAS

Has anyone played with NAS when he’s town? Does he do the same thing? I only have one game with him so I’m worried about being too confident his day 1 actions are AI. Though now that there are multiple votes on him, maybe he’ll appear and say something helpful.

Has anyone played with NAS when he’s town? Does he do the same thing? I only have one game with him so I’m worried about being too confident his day 1 actions are AI. Though now that there are multiple votes on him, maybe he’ll appear and say something helpful.

I played. And yes, he did the same thing as town.

Well then I have no idea how to read him then.

As I said, my NAS vote is purely biased from how he plays day 1 and how while apparently not AI as others noted, he was scum the last time he did it in a game why me. If he’s town…maybe I’m just overly invested right off the bat but I just don’t get purposely disengaging for all of day 1.

I was leaning Will’o earlier but the vt claim…I don’t really know what to do with that. Again, my experience is limited but the last time someone claimed vt with a wagon on them on D1, they actually had a PR. So now Will’o is a big question mark for me because I don’t even have a guess on if it’s vt, pr or scum.

NAS not posting will never be indicative of him having or not having a PR lol

I don’t really have an opinion either way on Dave vs NAS, the person I wanted to lim today got to 5 votes at one point but then most people backed off the wagon so I doubt that’s going to happen.

When I saw the final post in this sequence, I was really surprised and suspicious because it seemed like kay was the igniting force behind the NAS wagon in 452. But posts in between do seem like a natural progression away from that scumread, which I suppose was pretty ambivalent in the first place. So ultimately this sequence comes off as organic and helps me see how kay could be town.

[Psyche]

This Scumteam may be incompetent.

Virgo clearly is low info kill
this comment doesnt sit well with me
VOTE: Nurse

find this post mysterious
why would killing a slot no one clearly scumreads or townreads be low info?
JV would have been a valid vig target
would like if naeyrs could explain her thinking here

[Psyche]

I agree with thomith that snow's suspicion of me / thomith reads like trying to break a towncore creating itself, especially since his read is not based on anything more than "they townread each other"

ahah so unfair! you suspected snow for basically noticing that you two shouldn't townread each other so strongly given public information

[Random Nurse]

Snow what have these Wonder Twins been saying in the Hood?

Don't want to disclose content of the hood talk. But my position in the open thread reflected what was going on there. Trying to figure out the likely set up now with these developments.

...

...why don't you want to disclose it?

[Psyche]

This is really bad timing given wagon state, but I'm probably not going to have much further time for this game through Sunday evening.

[Snow2697]

Don't want to disclose content of the hood talk. But my position in the open thread reflected what was going on there. Trying to figure out the likely set up now with these developments.

...
...why don't you want to disclose it?

I have a channel to exchange views with players there. It will be of little use for me if I disclose its content in the public channel.

[KayJayQueue]

First rule about hood club, you don’t talk about hood club.

[Oblivion]

It is so lost reading these posts.