Open 909 | A Newbie Game | Game Over

[JacksonVirgo]

I think you’re massively discounting Kay as a player in that post as well, do you genuinely feel Kay is the type to slap down a vote immediately in elo just cuz? That feels awfully rude to assume.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.

[JacksonVirgo]

HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.

This goes for anyone actually

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think you’re massively discounting Kay as a player in that post as well, do you genuinely feel Kay is the type to slap down a vote immediately in elo just cuz? That feels awfully rude to assume.

To be honest, I made that post prior to the day and had gathered from the previous days that Kay was very antagonistic towards me and made a good guess on what an ELo with her would look like. I made a play on what I think would be the best shot at winning the game. Frankly, I still think it's true. It's not a comment on Kay as a player, but I have to work with what I have.

[humaneatingmonkey]

HEM do you think this night kill comes from anybody that understood the gamestate? I don’t think my personal reads has anything to do with it as a clear is still a clear and can almost be a game decider.

I sure think it's not the best play, but I have no idea what angle our scum is shooting from. If I have to assume that scum had a reasonable thought process, I think it's a calculation on politics - as in vote decisions on Day 3 and Day 4. It could be they had a pool on who you would target and was confident you would clear someone they'd be comfortable being cleared, and that your vote would be favorable to them today more than Purple. It could also be an "wow I would never make this kill" play.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm super scared of an ELo with me in it. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to think that based on how the game unfolded between Kay and I that I would probably be voted off.

[JacksonVirgo]

Chances were I'd check Zach. The prime elim candidate based on EoD2. Why would scum ever want that cleared?

[JacksonVirgo]

I did lie about the KJQ track, I ended up tracking you HEM but thunderdoming her is silly can you please just talk things out with me. I am not okay with either of you out

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think it's reasonable to assume scum killed with no thinking at all. I also don't think scum killed purple because they were okay with who I could theoretically check.

[humaneatingmonkey]

thank you

not kidding, i was in a massive crisis over the night. in my head, this is an instaloss if i don't advocate for my own elimination before ELo. being cleared is a massive morale booster.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think people are smart in general too, and I don't really think the kill was a goof. scum is someone who thought that keeping you here with a cleared slot is more valuable than killing you overnight. this is someone confident they wouldn't be checked, or desperate enough that this was their only play they had.

[JacksonVirgo]

thank you

not kidding, i was in a massive crisis over the night. in my head, this is an instaloss if i don't advocate for my own elimination before ELo. being cleared is a massive morale booster.

I figured if I were to be left alive, I should be checking someone who I otherwise would not be checking

[JacksonVirgo]

I think people are smart in general too, and I don't really think the kill was a goof. scum is someone who thought that keeping you here with a cleared slot is more valuable than killing you overnight. this is someone confident they wouldn't be checked, or desperate enough that this was their only play they had.

Scum needs two eliminations to win. There are four towns left alive. Leaving me alive clears half of those. Is that really worth it?

What benefit does keeping me alive bring?

[JacksonVirgo]

The benefit I see are that my reads are so off-base that it's going to benefit the wolves, but chances are that I track the person I scum-read here so I feel that's unreasonable. I don't see anything else

[JacksonVirgo]

Purple is a blank slate almost. I'm a much more active voice. I don't understand it if it wasn't mechanical safety (aka hitting a protected JV will end up losing the game for wolves)

[JacksonVirgo]

Open my eyes on this, please

[humaneatingmonkey]

JV, you should know that the scum I'm theorizing does not describe zach. Scum is between StrangeFlush and KJQ.

It

will

be massively discounting of Kay as a player if we assume that a hardbus is impossible. I've won many games where I hardbussed my partner day 1, almost zealously. I'm sure you also have. Kay does seem to be a very competent player, so I'm definitely not eliminating that. If Kay was scum, she has played the game hard-pocketing you and hard-bussing skitter. You have telegraphed that you will be checking zach last night, so they must be comfortable with a pool of {KJQ, StrangeFlush, HEM}. In this pool, who wins?

If StrangeFlush made the kill then he had a stroke of genius that it will lead to Kay.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I really really don't want to assume that zach goofed and killed Purple because he goofed. I'm not sure zach is a goof. He doesn't sound like a goof. He doesn't act like a goof.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not ruling anybody out except you at this point. I just want to talk through the assumptions of the kills because if I'm right, it rules out Flush imo and leaves two elims of zach/kay for the win.

[JacksonVirgo]

Right, if it was zach they'd have to hit me and hope for the best

[JacksonVirgo]

Right, if it was zach they'd have to hit me and hope for the best

Spoiler: animated gif

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

You have telegraphed that you will be checking zach last night, so they must be comfortable with a pool of {KJQ, StrangeFlush, HEM}. In this pool, who wins?

This may seem like a dumb question (I will answer yours in a bit), when reading my theory on what scum!ketchup was doing with the claim. What was your thoughts? If you can remember

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you feel that logic was strong? Like my theory that scum!ketchup was doing the god strat I outlined specifically

[humaneatingmonkey]

i would have hammered ketchup too. there was no way i would have thought that ketchup was town after the counterclaim.