Open 913 - This Game Started as an April Fools' Joke - Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew replaces Ranger.

Hi boo!

Hey Boo

[Doctor Drew]

Daisy is probably just town

But what if she isn't?

This is the hard hitting analysis you will get from me this game

[Doctor Drew]

Ranger

reporting

in. Apologies for the absence, everyone. I've unexpectedly found myself quite busy the last few days, however I now have a brief while in which I shall catch up on what's occurred thus far.

{Black, awesomeming327}
{OopsieDaisy, Elements}
{Cee Mirage}

P1.

Repping in for Ranger I literally was going to fonher reads list thing

You took away the joy I would have this game

This won't go unpunished

[Doctor Drew]

*to do her

[Doctor Drew]

hi drew!!!

Hello?

[Doctor Drew]

Ranger

reporting

in. Apologies for the absence, everyone. I've unexpectedly found myself quite busy the last few days, however I now have a brief while in which I shall catch up on what's occurred thus far.

{Black, awesomeming327}
{OopsieDaisy, Elements}
{Cee Mirage}

P1.

Repping in for Ranger I literally was going to fonher reads list thing

You took away the joy I would have this game

This won't go unpunished

can we still get doctor drew reads?

{Drew}




{Daisy}

[Doctor Drew]

Daisy is probably just town

oh yea what changed with your read on me?

Daisy is probably just town

there we go

Why didn't you ask that initially?

[Doctor Drew]

i was not aware that it's time for me to stop joking okayge

It is never the time to stop joking

Not really liking Moros

I guess this could be townCSF

[Doctor Drew]

i mean looking back i literally expressed disagreement with daisy

right after my vote

so idk what you're on about here

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

yes

Haha, greatest two posts back to back ever

[Doctor Drew]

drew is memeing but i have a feeling i prolly shouldn't take that too seriously. i forgot about light too she said one of my comments pinged her but never got back to it (tho she's said she's tired so taking that at face value it's NAI)

what makes you say Drew's memeing, seems like he's done some questioning as well

and what would Drew memeing mean to you about his alignment, idk what conclusion you'd come to if you did "take that too seriously"

Like, I build my reads/srz bizness gameplay into my shit posting

Like my 'Ranger Reads List'(TM pending) was correct at the time how I felt about Daisy

[Doctor Drew]

Like just read ming's ISO pre-269 and tell me you honestly believe he was just joking about everything

I just read my ISO and I honestly believe that I was just joking about everything

How are you not even certain if you were joking or not?

[Doctor Drew]

If I'm a vig, I'm shooting Moros
Goodnight

good idea.

this feels like towny reaction

counterpoint it doesn't

performatively not caring about a threat is sus

i can see the reaction possibly being like that yeah

i can also see it being other things, like not actually believing that Elements was actually making a real threat

what vig calls their shot on like page 5 after all, lol?

I was the first real wagon in a game awhile back(I was town), and I was getting some suss because I basically didn't care about it since an early D1 wagon is rarely a thing that gains steam.

So I feel it is more NAI than anything here

[Doctor Drew]

i believe awesomeming

Can you elaborate on why?

[Doctor Drew]

Like just read ming's ISO pre-269 and tell me you honestly believe he was just joking about everything

I just read my ISO and I honestly believe that I was just joking about everything

How are you not even certain if you were joking or not?

are you fr

It took you isoing yourself to figure out you MIGHT have been joking?

[Doctor Drew]

ok good you are not fr

I am a real ass dude right now

[Doctor Drew]

wow, cool catchup, Ranger!!! i feel so enlightened now!

cee mirage ik you are imitating ranger but is there any actual thought behind your lists beyond that because they seem pretty random

not really, especially after the first page

i literally copy pasted stuff and moved a few things around with a pb&j in my other hand

{Cee}
{Drew}
{Black, Light, Black Ranger}
{CSF}
{Awesome}
{Moros}

[Doctor Drew]

{Cee}
{Drew}
{Black, Light, Black Ranger}
{CSF}
{Awesome}
{Moros}

you're too late, i already stole Ranger's shtick, you don't get to use it

also you really shouldn't announce that we're masons in your readlist like that, scary people might notice

This isn't a shtick, it is my duty as the Ranger Repp to uphold her reads list

And don't worry, I made sure to put us on different lines #prostrats

[Doctor Drew]

{Drew}




{Daisy}

based and drewpilled

based as in agree with it or based as in funny?

could be both

If you tell me it was funny, you go up in my reads list

[Doctor Drew]

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Re. the agreeing or not agreeing with Daisy I don't see why the disagreeing Moros quoted (where ming disagreed that town can't get anywhere if scum hide in the 'I'm so confused' group since town can still do poe by townreading other players) means ming's "yes" is clearly a joke, when the 'do you agree with Daisy' post in context was asking if ming was voting Titus because of Daisy's theory scum would hide in the 'I'm so confused' group.

In other words, ming could have been agreeing with Daisy on how scum would behave and disagreeing that it would stop town progressing. That's how I read it at the time. So I find ming's backtracking about the Titus vote and 'yes' and 'yes there is' posts dubious and think Black could be right about ming being scum.

i think this is splitting hairs to try to maintain justification on a case. i don't think it feels like town trying to find scum.

Do you always white knight another player?

[Doctor Drew]

i don't know what i always do. so far i seem to be doing that, so maybe. do you know them to be town? if they aren't town, it isn't a white knight.

Ok, do you always protect a buddy like this?

[Doctor Drew]

also think it's interesting that moros just came straight out and said it believed ming wasn't joking

but now i must sleep

Are you trying to roleplay as halfasleep?

Alright....I will show myself out

[Doctor Drew]

I encourage all to sheep me

Even if I'm wrong ming isn't exactly bringing anything to the table here

Just playing, ahem.....devil's advocate here

Why not Moros over Awesome?

[Doctor Drew]

I encourage all to sheep me

Even if I'm wrong ming isn't exactly bringing anything to the table here

Just playing, ahem.....devil's advocate here

Why not Moros over Awesome?

Moros will probably be easier to read over time. Ming is just trolling or something I'm not really sure what he's doing if he's actually town

Moros seems pretty easy to read right now, as scum

Like I get what you are saying with Awesome, but trolling and all that doesn't mean scum necessarily

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Moros

But that being said, the lim being between them isn't a terrible idea

[Doctor Drew]

is Elements trying to act like she doesn't have anything to say to wifom us into thinking that scum wouldn't dare act like they have nothing to say after people are talking about voting for people who have nothing to say

This kinda feels like a townie thought

Normally I would say 'obvtown Cee'

But after The Von Payne Show, not sure how much I trust my own read of her town game haha

I laugh....but I actually cry

But ya, Cee has felt town for me from the jump

[Doctor Drew]

i agree with cee, the threadstate sucks
particularly the way town seems to just, as a whole, wagon on people for shitass reasons
it's too coordinated for all of the people on the wagons to be town

How often do wagons contain no scum??

[Doctor Drew]

But after The Von Payne Show, not sure how much I trust my own read of her town game haha

What is her main? I'm guessing it's public if you're saying this

Oh God, she is gonna kill me....

But go back a few pages

[Doctor Drew]

hey i already said that wasn't allowed

I have been in your exact same situation trying to keep an alt secret haha

[Doctor Drew]

is Black trying to dumbtell

like really there's missing hints and then there's MISSING HINTS

Heh, I kinda agree here

[Doctor Drew]

is Black trying to dumbtell

like really there's missing hints and then there's MISSING HINTS

Heh, I kinda agree here

now i'm starting to get annoyed

Who did I say I can always figure out when she is town?

[Doctor Drew]

i think black is prob town here, who genuinely didn't realise that checking cee's iso would reveal cee's main.
or it's nai at best.

I think it is nai

I do think that her reaction to how Cee acted is town for Black

[Doctor Drew]

which reaction would that be

it seems like cee was trying to shade me there and i don't like it

[Doctor Drew]

The compulsive need you people have to be well liked and to influence the game is pathetic

This certainly is a take from someone who has done fuck all

[Doctor Drew]

which reaction would that be

it seems like cee was trying to shade me there and i don't like it

why do you think that's town for Black

I feel like she is more reactionary as town

[Doctor Drew]

The compulsive need you people have to be well liked and to influence the game is pathetic

This certainly is a take from someone who has done fuck all

Exactly

Lol, I kinda like your style

[Doctor Drew]

So we vote CSF and we have a backup vote planned just in case

I'll try to do proper analysis when I'm not busy

Ha, I thought you were the kill, was gonna yell at you to stop posting.

Also I voted you, and then felt bad when I 'saw' you were the kill lol

[Doctor Drew]

Drew is my backup vote

That's a bad backup vote ngl

[Doctor Drew]

i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly

why doesn't it make sense?

it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving

ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose

I need to think about this

I voted Black because I didn't like the move from Awesome to BR, but I am also was a bit conflicted and was maybe gonna switch to Awesome......but also didn't seem like that was gonna happen

I think I am actually talking myself back to Black here heh

[Doctor Drew]

i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly

why doesn't it make sense?

it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving

ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose

I need to think about this

I voted Black because I didn't like the move from Awesome to BR, but I am also was a bit conflicted and was maybe gonna switch to Awesome......but also didn't seem like that was gonna happen

I think I am actually talking myself back to Black here heh

Why didn't you like me moving to BR?

You seemed so dead set on Awesome as scum, and then basically wanted to lim a lurker

Didn't sit right with me, the transition

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between Moros/Ming/BR. Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

How did Black shake the boat?

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between Moros/Ming/BR. Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

How did Black shake the boat?

By flipping the focus away from Ming and onto BR after my vote onto Ming, alongside initially pushing heavily against Ming during the night prior to that.

But you just said if ming is town, then scum knew they could flip between any of the three you mentioned, since they would all be mis lims.

How does this clear Black?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew is my backup vote

any reason for this?

I low-key think he would kill Aureal here and I think his whole thing about thinking I was the NK and feeling bad for voting me feels performative

Why would I even make all that up?

There is a world where I would NK Aureal if I was scum though, but that doesn't make me scum

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between

Moros/Ming/BR.

Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

Ya, but you said it doesn't matter where we landed in the bolded three, because scum knew they would be all three town......if awesome is town.

Black went from Awesome, to BR.....

So....by your logic, how does this clear Black?

[Doctor Drew]

If Ming is town I prolly look at slots like drew or experience who didn't rly take the chance to change anything night 0.

What do you mean by this?

If Ming is town then scum knew that it didn't matter where we landed between

Moros/Ming/BR.

Therefore there's no reason for em to shake up the boat like for example Black did. So I wanna look at the slots who didn't do a whole lot N0 if it turns out Ming is town, because scum are less likely to have been actively engaging and pushing the wagons to and fro imo.

Ya, but you said it doesn't matter where we landed in the bolded three, because scum knew they would be all three town......if awesome is town.

Black went from Awesome, to BR.....

So....by your logic, how does this clear Black?

it doesn't matter where we land in the bolded three, so why change the fact that we were landing on ming if she's scum and ming's town?

I am clearly missing some key piece of logic here.

Whey do experience and I need more of a look, and not Black, if Awesome were to flip town?

[Doctor Drew]

and yea no one bit on the black ranger stuff so im VOTE: ming right now.

I'm down to

VOTE: Black Ranger

Deadline looming

VOTE: Black Ranger

black ranger's ISO is a bit comical
It's very very detached from the game and I can't say it's towny
ive stuff to do rn but ill look into it in like aqn hour

Daisy

I was starting to feel like you are doing whatever you can to protect Black, but I looked back to when Black switched gears onto BR.

Black wasn't getting 'traction' on the Awesome wagon, Moros was actually the leading wagon, then this happened.

You voted Awesome, to which Black suddenly switched to BR, and mentioned the threat of the deadline like 'we gotta move people'

Thomith then quickly sheeped

And then Awesome with a comical read on BR just when the momentum is starting to turn to them.

I am agreeing with you now that the flip on Awesome does tell us quite a bit actually, but Awesome flipping town does not clear Black imo

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

[Doctor Drew]

and yea no one bit on the black ranger stuff so im VOTE: ming right now.

I'm down to

VOTE: Black Ranger

Deadline looming

VOTE: Black Ranger

black ranger's ISO is a bit comical
It's very very detached from the game and I can't say it's towny
ive stuff to do rn but ill look into it in like aqn hour

Daisy

I was starting to feel like you are doing whatever you can to protect Black, but I looked back to when Black switched gears onto BR.

Black wasn't getting 'traction' on the Awesome wagon, Moros was actually the leading wagon, then this happened.

You voted Awesome, to which Black suddenly switched to BR, and mentioned the threat of the deadline like 'we gotta move people'

Thomith then quickly sheeped

And then Awesome with a comical read on BR just when the momentum is starting to turn to them.

I am agreeing with you now that the flip on Awesome does tell us quite a bit actually, but Awesome flipping town does not clear Black imo

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

As I got to the preview, I will say I do think there is still a possibility you are protecting Black.......if that wasn't clear Daisy

[Doctor Drew]

Argh with the post edits, sorry lol

And I definitely wouldn't say Black was 'shaking things up'....you are grossly putting to oomph to a late day switch in a vote Daisy lol

[Doctor Drew]

It was clear at some point that I was never gonna get votes, why would Black switch to black ranger to protect me, someone who isn’t even a leading wagon

You are kinda making my point here

You being town does not clear Black like Daisy says it does

[Doctor Drew]

I still do not see where the motivation lies for scum!Black to switch so suddenly from a townie onto another townie

It was clear at some point that I was never gonna get votes

, why would Black switch to black ranger to protect me, someone who isn’t even a leading wagon

[Doctor Drew]

anyways, VOTE: ming as current intention

and yea no one bit on the black ranger stuff so im VOTE: ming right now.

I'm down to

VOTE: Black Ranger

Awesome, you just want to this to look like you are scum don't you lol

This was after Moros had 4 votes and you had 2.......then as you got two more votes.....Black 'shook things up' as Daisy put it.....and voted BR

So, are you another townie?

[Doctor Drew]

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

Yea I guess my opinion is different cause I thought Black Ranger was just a good lim anyways, super apathetic towards the game and kinda unwilling to contribute so wasn't super sad to see em go. Like I think that lim was still valuable to town, so then Black going for that mislim over a Ming mislim doesn't compute. The incentive of less info doesn't feel worth the push imo.

I 100% disagree, for basically the reasons you described about BR, no one can look at that mis lim and wonder if it was driven by town or scum since they basically didn't do anything and wasn't helping town at all.

Like, you are making my point here

[Doctor Drew]

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

This feels like Drew is trying to position himself to fade me regardless of Ming's alignment

Ok, why is Daisy really trying hard to clear you if Ming is town then?

[Doctor Drew]

I think there's a chance Drew just thinks I'm scum and is molding everything to that world view but I don't understand why Drew wouldn't consider the possibility that I changed my ming read after ming did something townie. That's like Mafia 101

Also Mafia 101 is pushing your buddy until they 'appear' to do something townie so you can move off them onto a mislim without much questions from others.

And conveniently onto a lurking slot that doesn't give much pushback from others as well.

And yes, I just do think you are scum

[Doctor Drew]

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

This feels like Drew is trying to position himself to fade me regardless of Ming's alignment

Ok, why is Daisy really trying hard to clear you if Ming is town then?

I'm not sure really. What does this have to do with you thinking I'm scum regardless of Ming's alignment?

I think you are scum with either Ming or Daisy, but I would seriously doubt that Daisy and Ming are scum together

[Doctor Drew]

I know it won't happen, but I went through Blacks ISO, and it definitely is not her town game. She normally pokes and prods people when something seems off, everything here seems so surface level and doesn't seem like she is actually interested in solving the game.

Even her wanting to lim me maybe and now town reading me isn't really explained, but also is very surface level at best.

[Doctor Drew]

Also are you suggesting I'm faded over CSF?

No, it was asked that if CSF is vigged who should be the lim

[Doctor Drew]

I know it won't happen, but I went through Blacks ISO, and it definitely is not her town game. She normally pokes and prods people when something seems off, everything here seems so surface level and doesn't seem like she is actually interested in solving the game.

Even her wanting to lim me maybe and now town reading me isn't really explained, but also is very surface level at best.

I'm allowed to be surface level as town. Using meta that way is a really bad way to solve me. Things change

Surface level isn't scummy in and of itself.

But that is not what you are about, you wouldn't coast by like this as town. Meta is a slippery slope, that is correct, but everyone has things about there town and scum games that just reveal, or don't reveal, themselves.

And you are definitely revealing your scum game here(or more specifically, not revealing your town game.....at all)

[Doctor Drew]

I already admitted I've been skimming here and there and I have a bunch of people in my blind spot but

you of all people should be familiar with that behavior from me as town

. We literally just hydra'd in game where I had bad reads and just kinda did my own thing

Oh listen, I bet the farm on us being a secret protective role lol. So don't talk to me about bad reads haha

But, peep the bolded part there...... remember when I just tried that exact same ate towards you as scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway this argument isn't going to do much good. Like I said once I get time I'll work on strengthening my reads

Also, to be clear, my vote on you would be most likely vanity

I plan to vote Awesome

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit:

In a CSF is vigged world

[Doctor Drew]

I'm not trying to use AtE. I'm just pointing out that you've seen shallow play from me before as town. And I've been extremely active and in-depth as scum. It's just not a good read

I don't think I am being clear enough about what I am saying.

Yes you are capable of switching it up for either alignment, but there is one key element missing that I have seen in your town game as of late that is completely gone from your game here. Nothing to do with your activity here.

[Doctor Drew]

As of late? What is the key element?

Well......this right here tbh

I stated as much, when you are town you kinda do what I do.....poke and prod and ask questions when something seems off or doesn't make logical sense to you.

Your iso contains little to none of this.

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler: poking and proding

Yes it is but how did you reach that conclusion

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

there's enough people who have not posted much yet that i think we will end up eliminating one of them. i am okay with doing that. i prefer whoever towntells the least between now and the end of day among black ranger, titus, light_ganski, and imaginality

Why am I in this group?

i was not aware that it's time for me to stop joking okayge

Are you implying that your Titus vote was a joke

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

Do you agree with Daisy?

yes

Why would you lie here then

I mean you can't vote but you clearly expressed suspicion of Titus and are now walking that back

Hi. I have no clue what I am doing.

VOTE: Titus

hmm. is there a reason i get townread for confusedposting but titus gets a 'vote'?

yes there is

Can you explain what this was about

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Who would you like to vote for?

i think it feels like people are reaching to make a case on ming.

Who would you like to vote for?

imaginality

why

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

i don't know. he says things and they make sense to me and i believe them. i just do.

This feels so weird to me and I can't figure out why

Moros why do you townread ming?

You've defended ming a lot but never really explained why you believe him

i don't know. he says things and they make sense to me and i believe them. i just do.

Make sense as in you agree, or make sense as in you understand what's being said and think that makes him town?

the second is more accurate. i don't think me understanding him makes him town, though. it just makes me think the reasons people are pushing him are bad. i think he's town because it feels like scum are taking advantage of the push.

I'm really confused how you're not seeing his play as scummy. What exactly is townie about ming?

i don't think i'm happy with this gamestate

What are you doing to change that?

I can play the game if you guys would stop making stupid attacks against me

what are your reads rn?

it seems like cee was trying to shade me there and i don't like it

Cee can you remind me what your read on ming is

i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly

why doesn't it make sense?

it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving

ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose

I need to think about this

I voted Black because I didn't like the move from Awesome to BR, but I am also was a bit conflicted and was maybe gonna switch to Awesome......but also didn't seem like that was gonna happen

I think I am actually talking myself back to Black here heh

Why didn't you like me moving to BR?

I still believe this was Black trying to protect their buddy in Awesome, and if Awesome is town I could easily see Black going for the mis lim that gives less info

This feels like Drew is trying to position himself to fade me regardless of Ming's alignment

Ok, why is Daisy really trying hard to clear you if Ming is town then?

I'm not sure really. What does this have to do with you thinking I'm scum regardless of Ming's alignment?

Cause right now what I see is I push you as scum in the ming scum world, you decide I'm likely scum, then I go on to talk at length with Drew about how I think you're town in a town ming world, and now you've eased off. It feels like your push on me is motivated by my read on you and not on my general play, so clarification would be appreciated.

What push? All I did was theorize you as a CSF partners. You seem overly concerned with how I'm reading you

I don't really know what you want from me

Annnnddd we come back to the surface level thing lol

You just wanted me to explicit state why I think you are scum so you could make this post didn't you?

But thank you for contradicting yourself for me.......you are arguing so much to make me look bad that you didn't even notice it......

[Doctor Drew]

Whatever dude. I'm sorry my content isn't deep enough for you

While you're tunnelled on me

I'm gonna go try to solve the game

Why start now?

[Doctor Drew]

ming, since you're here now, can you confirm who you voted?
also, who do you think we should lim if csf is vigged?

i dont think i'm going to convince the thread to not vote me so im just gonna drop some legacy reads soon

Can I interest you in a Black vote?

i really do suck at not mainslipping.

I feel your pain, I wanted to keep a super secret alt awhile back but slipped basically right away haha

[Doctor Drew]

Ahh, so I was killed because scum thought if Black and I came together as town we could work well together

[Doctor Drew]

and next time I might actually townread you!

Doubt it

You caught the Scum Queen once and now you'll forever chase that rush

ahaha so true

Good luck on exams friend, see you soon hopefully

thanks : D

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