In post 599, Black wrote:
So we vote CSF and we have a backup vote planned just in case
I'll try to do proper analysis when I'm not busy
Ha, I thought you were the kill, was gonna yell at you to stop posting.
Also I voted you, and then felt bad when I 'saw' you were the kill lol
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'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'actually ya drew is useless' - Snivy
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 552, OopsieDaisy wrote:
i think people should say who they voted last night just so we can do some wagon analysis. even if scum lie good stuff prolly comes outta it. i voted black ranger.
In post 38, Black wrote:
Yes it is but how did you reach that conclusion
carefully
I suppose if I were to be a sweaty try hard, my vote would be on you because this was one of the better chances of moving the game forward but you were not having it
In post 133, Moros wrote:
experience black awesomeming halfasleep towns.
I'm kind of perturbed that you implied you didn't have many reads in 112, but developed these reads after 3/4 people on this list just said they were leaning town on you
Why is halfasleep town?
Just noting it's similar but this time asking Moros to expand on a townread on halfasleep.
Without getting full context yet, no matter how either flip, it sounds like ming flipping may give more information than Moros.
What additional info would it give?
On the one hand, as discouraging the idea that a ming flip would be more useful. On the other hand, could wanting Moros to give reasons a ming flip is more useful, which would be a contrast to the "why is ming town" post. But as Moros was the alternative lim at that point, it's less likely to be the latter reason, since "ming is a more useful flip than me because xyz" only carries so much weight. So overall reading CSF's posts to date, I do think ming is still plausible as a scum buddy.
I note ming hasn't mentioned CSF at all so no insight from that side of things. I'll look at other people's comments on CSF tomorrow (NZ time).
Though from rereading the end of N0, I don't think a scum!Daisy raises even mild suspicion of CSF like she did in 502 at that particular point in the day, it seems an unnecessary risk. Cee Mirage for example also commented on CSF shortly after. Just a tad more added pressure in that moment and CSF could have ended up as the lim.
Looking at the late movement towards what became the Black Ranger lim, from p20 on:
- Drew snarked at BR for calling people who try to influence the game 'pathetic', then chuckled at BR's insouciant response
- Moros agreed with BR
- Black laughed at BR's post
- BR laughed at the '327' nickname idea
- Cee Mirage did a vote count (Moros on 4, ming on 2, BR on 2)
- Daisy voted ming
- Black voted BR, said deadline looming, read ming as frustrated town and proposed BR v Moros as the lim
- Thomith voted BR
- Black did a votecount
- ming sussed BR
- Daisy proposed unifying on BR
- ming confirmed voting BR
- Black thanked ming
Considering that sequence, the timing of Black voting BR and defending ming right after Daisy voted ming made me a little suspicious, like a {ming, Black, CSF} team might have been counting on Moros being the lim and got worried by Daisy's vote. I've liked Black's other posts though, and it's by no means implausible that the decision to push back against a ming lim was a genuine townread.
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In post 608, awesomeming327 wrote:
i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly
why doesn't it make sense?
it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving
In post 608, awesomeming327 wrote:
i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly
why doesn't it make sense?
it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving
ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose
In post 608, awesomeming327 wrote:
i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly
why doesn't it make sense?
it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving
ofc the alternative explanation would be that black always intended to move off of ming if possible, and black ranger was the easiest target when she couldn't get enough traction on morose
I need to think about this
I voted Black because I didn't like the move from Awesome to BR, but I am also was a bit conflicted and was maybe gonna switch to Awesome......but also didn't seem like that was gonna happen
I think I am actually talking myself back to Black here heh
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'actually ya drew is useless' - Snivy
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 608, awesomeming327 wrote:
i do not think it makes sense for scum!Black to switch up her opinion on me so suddenly
why doesn't it make sense?
it would've taken no effort to get rid of me at all and in my opinion she would've been one of the least suspicious on the wagon, so there wasn't really any reason for her to get off if she's not genuinely solving
oo you're talking from the pov that you're town ok i get that
like if you are town black has 0 motivation to switch up the wagon on you as scum. issue is the if is big for us rn cause if you're both scum the motivation is crystal clear.
-halfasleep: wow, fewer posts than me, impressive. Nothing on CSF
-imaginality: also townread CSF's 162; in 230 questioned Daisy's interaction with CSF
-Light_ganski: claimed cop guilty on CSF
-OopsyDaisy: asked CSF for reason for scumreading Cee Mirage in 153; townread CSF for trying in 193; in 232 answered me about why she had townread CSF and Cee Mirage while not commenting onbCSF's reasons for suspecting Cee Mirage; put CSF as top townread in 234, in 502 noted CSF had dropped off the radar
Pretty thin gruel. To the extent any of this is alignment indicative, it leads me to think CSF and Daisy aren't aligned, so if CSF is scum Daisy is town I think. I also think the question-answer interactions back and forth between Elements and CSF seems like an easy way for scumbuddies to have some harmless interactions and look non-aligned. And I haven't got a town read on Elements from her other posts, so it could be worth exploring that possibility further.
My current thoughts on what we should do:
- if CSF is alive, lim CSF
- if CSF is NKed and flips scum, lim ming or Elements
- if CSF is NKed and flips town, lim light_ganski obviously
- if CSF, out of a desperate attempt to disrupt the game and escape judgment, unleashes a tiger attack on the site before the end of N1, run away faster than CSF so the tigers catch her in an ironic twist of fate
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In post 622, imaginality wrote:
My current thoughts on what we should do:
- if CSF is alive, lim CSF
- if CSF is NKed and flips scum, lim ming or Elements
- if CSF is NKed and flips town, lim light_ganski obviously
- if CSF, out of a desperate attempt to disrupt the game and escape judgment, unleashes a tiger attack on the site before the end of N1, run away faster than CSF so the tigers catch her in an ironic twist of fate
I endorse this process completely, with the caveat that in step 2 we (barring new evidence) definitely lim ming over elements (I'm going to reread elements next anyway though so standby)
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