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[Enchant]

There's shouldn't be discussion at all.


If we don't manage to hit scum until elo THEN we should get paranoid at them living. Until this point nah.

And if they are town and mislimmed to lose at elo, it's their failure at leadership. Otherwise they would vote out mafia by then.


I am not saying that you should blindly believing them, but attacking at this phase is useless.

[Psyche]

I think that misses my point. I'm saying that it's very unlikely that your behavior convinced a hypothetical thomith/gypyx team that snow was unlimmable at the point in D3 where thomith cleared him.

[Oblivion]

set up spec isn't my bag at all. im still trying to work out if we are playing vs 3 or 4 and so if the showdown with gypyx & thom needs to happen sooner rather than later. i think they need to be tested at some point - i don't especially want to get into the end game vs them.

my gut says they are town, i've been assuming they are town, but i don't think we lose too much in killing one at some point.

they have to recognise that the rest of us have to doubt them and cannot give them a free pass the rest of the game.

I think they are not killed because they are threat for town, not mafia.

im not sure what this means - threat to town? you think they are straight up scum??

If you kill one of us, you are killing both of us.
it's not a "test it and let the other live", it's if you kill one of us, the other immediately gets killed at night

You're a neighbour. If we kill one of you the other one has a whole night to put all their final thoughts into a place where the last neighbour can post them for you.

[Thomith]

set up spec isn't my bag at all. im still trying to work out if we are playing vs 3 or 4 and so if the showdown with gypyx & thom needs to happen sooner rather than later. i think they need to be tested at some point - i don't especially want to get into the end game vs them.

my gut says they are town, i've been assuming they are town, but i don't think we lose too much in killing one at some point.

they have to recognise that the rest of us have to doubt them and cannot give them a free pass the rest of the game.

I think they are not killed because they are threat for town, not mafia.

im not sure what this means - threat to town? you think they are straight up scum??

If you kill one of us, you are killing both of us.
it's not a "test it and let the other live", it's if you kill one of us, the other immediately gets killed at night

You're a neighbour. If we kill one of you the other one has a whole night to put all their final thoughts into a place where the last neighbour can post them for you.

This is assuming that Enchant is town.

[Oblivion]

I think that misses my point. I'm saying that it's very unlikely that your behavior convinced a hypothetical thomith/gypyx team that snow was unlimmable at the point in D3 where thomith cleared him.

It somewhat disagrees. It very much was going to choose to die before Snow in every case.

[Psyche]

anyway yeah i'm pretty convinced that gypyx/thomith are town. i have seen a lot of posts from them that convince of genuine attempting to solve.
gypyx is a bit harder to sort, and the oblivion trajectory then remains questionable, but imo thomith's iso doesn't have those flaws and he and she are luckily a 2 in 1.

imo this dynamic is central to why them claiming pseudo-masons together was so risky. it did not at all absolve them of suspicion and either slot's flip would doom the other.
furthermore, at the time of their claim, they had no way of knowing whether town had an investigate or killing role (like snow's) that could readily sidestep the lim threshold to blow up their fakeclaim.

a pair with gypyx/thomith was always going to have better odds by playing distanced from one another, especially given the information they had D2.

[Enchant]

im not sure what this means - threat to town? you think they are straight up scum??

No, i mock their leadership.


I am 99% assured it's town pair.

[Psyche]

Even if gypyx were scum and thought she'd had a reasonable chance of being limmed yesterday, I think her most natural and reasonable decision is not to tie herself to thomith by claiming pseudo-mason, but to either survive or die alone.

[Psyche]

can you remind of the exact-ish information conveyed by your role pm?

[Thomith]

can you remind of the exact-ish information conveyed by your role pm?

I am informed that Gypyx is town aligned, and has been informed that I am also town aligned.

[Psyche]

think gera comes out of this exchange looking the scummiest again...

[Thomith]

think gera comes out of this exchange looking the scummiest again...

Low key thought the same.

Random Nurse I think is potentially town due to how he is voting.
Oblivion seems to be suspicious of us in a way that it feels like it is genuinely trying to solve us.
Gera kind of hopped on once the pressure was on us (I don't remember if gera has expressed doubt of the claim before today)

[Psyche]

idk though. why does scum gera even chime at this moment with a post like that? comes off as somewhat incautious

[Psyche]

ughhh i just want to feel confident that someone is scum

[Oblivion]

anyway yeah i'm pretty convinced that gypyx/thomith are town. i have seen a lot of posts from them that convince of genuine attempting to solve.
gypyx is a bit harder to sort, and the oblivion trajectory then remains questionable, but imo thomith's iso doesn't have those flaws and he and she are luckily a 2 in 1.

imo this dynamic is central to why them claiming pseudo-masons together was so risky. it did not at all absolve them of suspicion and either slot's flip would doom the other.
furthermore, at the time of their claim, they had no way of knowing whether town had an investigate or killing role (like snow's) that could readily sidestep the lim threshold to blow up their fakeclaim.

a pair with gypyx/thomith was always going to have better odds by playing distanced from one another, especially given the information they had D2.

If this is your stance then it will just follow this path.

[Psyche]

id be careful of that. i am biased to townread people in general

[Oblivion]

It has been trying to convince you and you have seen its arguments and chosen to go a different path. Are you asking it to keep trying yo sell you on this? It told you it is today or never for it. You think they are town and it would rather align with its top town read than be split.

[geraintm]

think gera comes out of this exchange looking the scummiest again...

Low key thought the same.

Random Nurse I think is potentially town due to how he is voting.
Oblivion seems to be suspicious of us in a way that it feels like it is genuinely trying to solve us.
Gera kind of hopped on once the pressure was on us (I don't remember if gera has expressed doubt of the claim before today)

Mod created a neighbourhood of 5, had two of them know each other were town and so the pair of them could go shoot in the rest of the hood with a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum?

So I'm assuming you believe me/gypyx are scum together?

I tend to beleive claims until proven otherwise.
Your.claim won't stand up in game for long if false and you both won't be allowed to live till the end so I think I am OK with you staying alive for now.

I haven't doubted your claim, I am pretty sure I have said I trust it, but I said right at the start that I thought you two wouldn't be allowed to both stay alive right until the end of the game.

[Lycanfire]

I'm in a bit of a crunch at work-
Psyche, how do you feel about Gypyx-Ranger interactions between roughly 900-1000?

[Psyche]

don't tell me you're caught up in it too

[Lycanfire]

I stan for gypyx

[Lycanfire]

um enchant could you just like read the thread and tell us who you think is scum pretty please

LYCAN LITERALLY SCUMSLIPPED FFSSF

Quote it?

Elaborate on what you're thinking?

Whether they could actually think they're doing anything useful.

I'm trying to think of why they'd do this.

1a)town, knows about the guidelines. waste of time.
1b)town, doesn't know about the guidelines. maybe useful.

^Vote this asap.

There's no difference in usefulness if i know deadlines or not and i do know deadlines.


But Lycan blatantly slips that mafia doesn't have traitor (and therefore INFORMED if they know or not), so from this point for Lycan "claiming traitor" is nonsense, because "mafia obviously know that Enchant is not traitor to they informed there's none"


If you have no clue what, tldr: Lycan knows too much.

If mafia knows there's no Traitor then indeed it's useless. BUT NO ONE BUT MAFIA SHOULD KNOW THAT.



Also i am not scared, you are bad at tyranny.

not saying they're scum just like, the sus isn't too warranted

also enchant latching so hard onto Lycan's perceived "slip" gives me big scum vibes

I just remind that next day is elo and RM (who probably just town) hates your guts.


So i suggest you to VERY CAREFULLY pick alies this game day.

roflmao

[Lycanfire]

I have more thoughts on the game I was just second guessing how useful my vote is on Enchant right now. I'll share more later.

[Psyche]

let's stay on ranger until it's clear it's not doable

[Lycanfire]

Point was that gypyx was on ranger and was dismissive toward anything she said. If you were going to bus you'd want something out of it. If you weren't going to bus, you need to be on the same with your partner somehow to get them out of a sticky situation.