In post 711, May wrote:
maybe this is paranoid but I feel like implosion is finding too much comfort zone in a vanity town read on umlautslot.
At a certain point it's more organic to be relieved that maybe you got more info about something that was maybe a mistake on a low volume positive content slot (this is kind of how I feel about cutter B becomes tired person).
A mafia!implosion knows that the side project has become classified as an earnest thing and all focus becomes good focus
I don't really see how I've gotten "maybe more info" about anything. I've gotten no info on that slot since I declared it hard town on like page four because I don't really consider lurking to be alignment-indicative. I consider it to be an annoying information vacuum. Most games I play, I play through PoE, and it's pretty normal for me to get annoyed at slots that I feel aren't doing anything to allow me to possibly take them out of the PoE. The fact that I hard townread the slot earlier is just icing on that.
I have more to say on the game and stuff but in a meeting atm
It's written in past tense because it's hypotheticals and the verb tense for a hypothetical doesn't matter. I thought the parallelization to tired person's rep-in would make that easier to parse
You made a post specifically hoping that in the future, Umlaut's replacement comes in and posts in a townish way. I would expect you to equally hope the new player open wolfs if you're town.
Do you see how at least on the surface this would look like a lack of curiosity to me? Like yes it's null but it's not "gee I wonder why he dropped of the earth was I right?" it's " gee I hope I get some stuff I can use to maintain my platform of my hard umlaut townread [so I can look like I'm doing things again]"
I think that's kind of harder to post as scum than as town (though superficially) by implosion. I think having a stubborn overly strong read and wanting that to be validated is like, fairly human.
This is a small part of the fraying which makes me think implosion is town btw
My outcome from this conversation is that I'd remove May before I remove implosion
This feels like a very uncomfortable nitpick which ignores a lot more alignment indicators by implosion and I can understand discussing it as a pet peeve but it seems like a very flawed reason to remove him from the coalition
in order:
I want implo
I want tsawwa
I want tired
I want Moros
I'm comfortable with Black and May
I won't accept either experience or Aventurine
I'll accept myself w the first 4 because I think that's highly likely to win the game, I'll need to be persuaded to include myself with a mix of those 4 & the other 2 but I'm not closed to it
This is just kinda where my read confidence is at
I will throw a tantrum over implosion
In post 748, May wrote:
The point is that you should be equally interested in positive and negative info about the slot
Did you genuinely misunderstand that the open wolf hyperbole was shorthand/rhetorical device
I was very hungry when i wrote that post and having a lot of trouble parsing anything (i have now eaten)
I don't know if I would have understood it as hyperbole even if not for that though. But regardless. I think this is just like, untrue about the human psyche lol. I wanted to be right, I invested emotionally somewhat in my umlaut townread early on and i wanted to be right. Of course I'd be interested in negative info if it showed up but I
Like, do you think that there has been active negative information about umlaut/experience since early game? maybe that's the misunderstanding because i still don't really think there has been other than lurking/inactivity which i view as sufficient for me to relent that yeah we're not putting that slot on the coalition, but i don't see it as like, so significantly >rand scum that i would overwrite my earlier read
In post 73, Aventurine wrote:
Going to take a gamble and say that Umlaut is likely to be town.
I don't really think this post is very common from an aventurine+umlaut team. (Yes i know people are saying they don't think this is actually specifically the scumteam, and also i agree we shouldn't primarily be thinking about this in terms of teams, but)
In post 202, Aventurine wrote:
HEAL: Aventurine, ceejayvinoya, Cutter B, May, Tsawwassen
Can you explain your choices
It's less about who I'm including, but rather who I'm excluding.
Also just realized for the first time that this came after Aventurine made that comment about thinking Umlaut is town, which, uhhhhh..... is i guess just straightforwardly scummy? I get that the list was supposedly coming from a place of excluding people but I don't really see why you'd fail to include the singular person you had explicitly townread. I guess it's later explained that Aventurine implies it didn't like Umlaut's posting on page 6 which is between these two things but gosh if Aventurine could be transparent about any thought process at any point in this game it'd really go a long way lol
(This is not to say I want Aventurine on coalition, I just had a brief desire to skim its ISO and see if there was anything there about like, obvious team tells, since I still don't particularly think experience is scum (could be but etc) and worst's list made me go hm i should think a little about what coalitions explicitly exclude some viable teams or something)
and u don't see that these are at odds? like seriously i feel like u and i are just speaking a different language or somthing. or mayb from a different planet. if u want to increase the odds of succeeding why aren't u healing urself?
In post 749, the worst wrote:
increasing the urgency of sorting black feels stressful if that's a failing coalition
okay i understand this viewpoint tho somewhat begrudgingly.
In post 749, the worst wrote:
ur saying u don't understand my point then restating my point in ur own words which further PROVES my POINT AAAHHH
no girl i was saying that i don't understand how u can sya i'm both charismatic and anti charismatic. i did understand what anti charismatic means on its own.
unrelated but i think may has just reached a brand new level of town for me based on her posting last page and i definitely agree with what she's saying about implosion and that's the main point of my scumread on him pretty much. the lack of curiosity, that is.
I'm a little bit tempted to significantly townread this sequence. The fact that there's 3 posts and the spacing of their timing I think points to town who saw something weird, then realized they felt it was not scummy, and then thought a bit more on it and realized that it might depend on previous experience level. I think it's a bit less likely to come from scum since Umlaut would have to manually decide to take both the step to make the second post, and the step to make the third post. Maybe way over-reading into things but curious if anyone sees what I'm seeing.
acutally it's true that this is a very strong reason to townread umlaut i guess.
I dunno if my characterization of tired person repping into a difficult scum slot and picking up the sniper rifle and hiding in a corner of the map but refusing to self-heal fits the later trajectory they've had
I've kind of been waiting to get asked this because i realize i haven't said a concrete answer to this in a long time, i've like, almost typed up part of an answer a couple of times but i feel pretty blah about the coalition right now. I wanted to say me/moros/black/may + 1 but reading duck's reads list made me feel weird about that for some reason which is why i launched in to the brief tangent of thinking about aventurine's theoretical scumbuddy.
