springlullaby wrote:Second here is the thing, on one hand I don't think EA's action makes sense atm, on the other I think Goat and Huntress shows up as linked which most probably indicates mafia given their claims.
Your entire argument is based on Huntress' unwillingness to lynch me. How does that make me scum? A fairly fundamental rule of mafia I've learned is to not link players until one of them is dead. Basing a lynch off of a supposed link between players is pretty meaningless. I could make up a link between two players in the game and use it as a basis to suggest we should lynch one of them. However, I haven't shown at all why that makes one of them more likely to be scum. For example, I can say something like: Militant doesn't want to lynch Crywolf, thus I think they are mafia together. That doesn't mean anything unless Crywolf dies and shows up as mafia. Then we can say "oh, Militant didn't want to lynch Crywolf, maybe he's her scum buddy", etc.
In essence, your argument is that you believe me to be mafia entirely from the perspective that you think Huntress is scum and Huntress didn't want to lynch me. What if Huntress is town? What if Huntress is scum and simply didn't want to dirty her hands with my mislynch? What if Huntress is scum and thought no lynch was better than a townie lynch? These are all perfectly plausible explanations.
Don't lynch me because you think Huntress is scum. That's bad logic. You think Huntress is scum: A. If Huntress is scum, then you think I'm scum: B. You can't do B before A, when B is reliant on the results from A.
Furthermore, EA's claim is that he tracked me targeting Jebus the night Jebus died. EA's "claim" paints me as the Serial Killer, not mafia. If you think EA is telling the truth with his claim, then I'm the SK, which makes any tie between me and Huntress meaningless. On the other hand, if you think EA is lying, then the only thing that makes sense is that he's part of the mafia, in which case it becomes obvious that I'm not also mafia. The only possible way I could be mafia is if I happened to be a mafioso with an ability, who also targeted Jebus the night he died, and EA is telling the truth about his claim despite the large number of inconsistencies. This is a very unlikely scenario.
springlullaby wrote:Here, I'd like to see what Goat's has to say to that and his take on Huntress' action.
I'll have to review Huntress' actions, but I didn't find them scummy at the time. She waited for me to claim and then backed off when I claimed to be a power role. That seems fully normal play for town. I don't see how you could possibly consider this any scummier than EA's claim that he had information basically proving me to be a serial killer, but didn't claim it and even unvoted me to move to Huntress. If you think EA is town, then he is entirely to blame for the no lynch yesterday. He should have claimed his role and information when it became clear that he wasn't going to lynch me through conventional means. Instead he hopped to Huntress, hopped back to me later on, and then completely disappeared for a while until the no lynch happened.
He didn't claim information on me because he didn't have information on me, because he is lying. If EA is town he allowed no lynch to happen by not claiming his role. His response is that he didn't want to make himself a night kill target. This makes no sense. His role information was that I was the serial killer. He makes himself a night kill target by letting me live (especially because if I was actually the serial killer, who would I shoot? I'd shoot the guy trying to get me lynched). He alleviates himself as a night kill target by claiming so I die, thus preventing me from killing him. How would he be a night kill target if he gets us to lynch the person making the night kills? Can I make it any clearer than this that he is scum? There is no defensible stance he can take to explain the way he acted. Unless you believe EA to be an extraordinarily bad mafia player, there is simply no way he can be town and make these plays.
I seriously don't know why EA is still alive at this point. There are so many inconsistencies in his story. If you are a town aligned player, I don't see how you could be voting for anyone other than EA. Also, this lynch has to be either me or EA. One of us is lying and is scum. I think it's quite obvious who that is, but I've explained that in far more words than I thought it was going to have to take.
To answer your questions succinctly, springlullaby, I think your case pairing Huntress and myself is very circumstantial. What if Huntress is town? Your entire theory that I'm scum with her falls apart. There are also plenty of explanations where Huntress could be scum and I could still be town. I think this would be a very weak reason to lynch me (essentially lynching me because you think someone else is scum), especially in the face of the overwhelming evidence of EA lying. Once EA is dead and shows up as scum, it will then be clear that your pairing of Huntress and myself is not right, because I no longer make sense as mafia.
springlullaby wrote:Yes, it still goes to night.
Unfortunate. If the scum manage to con enough people into lynching me today, I would ask that you use it on me. This will confirm you have your role and it is what you claim it to be. Actually, you should use it on the first town player that would get lynched from here on out. If you do not do this, the rest of the town should immediately lynch you the following day.
If you legitimately have this role, then I think it's quite likely that you are town. You should use it first opportunity to both confirm this and keep another townie alive.
springlullaby wrote:First I want a deadline extension please, and everybody should be voting for it right now.
I'll second this call.
Deadline extension please
. Quite frankly, though, we shouldn't need a deadline. This lynch is between me and EA. One of us should have been lynched days ago, but the lurking this game is absolutely ridiculous, and most of the people guilty are those I consider town, which is sad. If you are lurking and are town, you are seriously costing us the game. Get in here. Read the game. Do something useful. Or get replaced. If you're not willing to actually read the game or put any effort in to it, please just get replaced, so someone else who actually cares can take your spot.
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About Clockwork Ruse: Him claiming the information about the cult seems pro-town, but there are two issues that I can't get past. The first is that he was given the option to accept, which is kind of fishy. The second is his push on EA early in the day, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense since clockwork inspected EA and saw him to be an officer. Honestly, I'm leaning towards CR being the cult leader. His role of checking for officers/non officers means he is essentially a role cop (a role generally found on scum, not town). His role only weakly benefits town, but would largely benefit a scum group who is trying to recruit players. There is also the issue of this mysterious other roleblocker who nobody else has any confirmation of. When you add all of this together, I'm highly skeptical that he's town.
I think it's safe to assume that there is a serial killer and a mafia group, though. Based on both Clockwork and Xtoxm's claims and Jebus getting shot I don't think there is any chance of there not being a SK and mafia.