726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[populartajo]

/condfirming

[populartajo]

"This is my son, hear him."

Vote Count

Natirasha(1):

forbiddanlight(0):
hp [leaves](0):
illumina(0):
Kairyuu(0):
Kinetic(0):
MafiaSSK(0):
populartajo(0):
Spambot(0):
Stef(0):
Tarhalindur(0):
veerus(0):
Vi (0):

FoS Count
forbiddanlight(0):
hp [leaves](0):
illumina(0):
Kairyuu(0):
Kinetic(0):
MafiaSSK(0):
populartajo(0):
Spambot(0):
Stef(0):
Tarhalindur(0):
veerus(0):
Vi (0):

I think that is a trap.

[populartajo]

I think that is a trap.

Probably, but I'm assuming that Nat is not a Jester bomb. And if he is, at least I wasn't that late on the wagon .

What are the odds of finding a jester in a mini game?
Ill bite.

Vote:Nat.

[populartajo]

Screw it, I'll have to take what I expect is a Rules Infraction for posting during Confirmation Stage.

I take it I'm the only person with rolebased that says that Natirasha-lynch is a very bad idea? Unvote him. NOW.

Tar, only 4-5 players have posted.

Unvote.

Explain yourself.

[populartajo]

In few words, how does Serum and Steel work?

[populartajo]

I agree entirely with Tar here, except from the Half-Life part. Where does it come from?

Unvote Vote : veerus.

[populartajo]

/facepalm.
Thats exactly how you tell scum not to claim their real names.
Veerus, have you played MindScrew games before?

[populartajo]

Also, fos: populartajo for voting me without much reasoning (except using someone else's who didn't even vote me in the first place). In fact, looking at tajo's posts in isolation shows that since the game started, he contributed absolutely NOTHING to the discussion.

Holidays, etc.

[populartajo]

Im still hitting my head with the desk. If someone had vital information for the town that scum shouldnt have known, then you dont freaking share it in the thread.
I might add myself to the "I have received the same information that G-Man is not town-alligned" list.
I still think veerus is the one that could get my vote in this moment. Not because the last MS games had safeclaims it means this one has to have them too, specially with a different mod. I asked him, and do it again, if he had played MindScrew games before.
Still no answer.

[populartajo]

Also, I dont think HP is scum. HP would have to be the dumbest player ever to have posted that as scum. Scum would usually join the trend.
I do think that scum didnt get the list or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more.
WIFOM layers, I know, but I like to think in the most probable situation.
Also, anybody wants to join me in a plan that could find at least one scum? What could happen when the majority of town players have the same piece of information? Could we confirm each other asking some kind of questions about the ability an such?. This isnt jackassery, right? (Im assuming scum doesnt have the same ability we (as town) have)

[populartajo]

Also, I dont think HP is scum. HP would have to be the dumbest player ever to have posted that as scum. Scum would usually join the trend.
I do think that scum didnt get the list or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more.
WIFOM layers, I know, but I like to think in the most probable situation.

So... you're calling WIFOM on yourself to mask a contradiction in your own logic.

Riiiiight.

Also, anybody wants to join me in a plan that could find at least one scum? What could happen when the majority of town players have the same piece of information? Could we confirm each other asking some kind of questions about the ability an such?. This isnt jackassery, right? (Im assuming scum doesnt have the same ability we (as town) have)

Im still hitting my head with the desk. If someone had vital information for the town that scum shouldnt have known, then you dont freaking share it in the thread.
I might add myself to the "I have received the same information that G-Man is not town-alligned" list.

So... you're playing the townie card to mask a contradiction in your own logic.

Riiiiight.

I think I've found something sketchy.

Unvote: MafiaSSK
Vote: populartajo

(L-6)

What are you taliking about, Vi?

[populartajo]

I dont think we should be discussing this right now, but to close the conversation...
...yeah, Im not paying enough attention to the other game.

[populartajo]

Also, I dont think HP is scum. HP would have to be the dumbest player ever to have posted that as scum. Scum would usually join the trend.
I do think that scum didnt get the list or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more.
WIFOM layers, I know, but I like to think in the most probable situation.

So... you're calling WIFOM on yourself to mask a contradiction in your own logic.

Riiiiight.

Also, anybody wants to join me in a plan that could find at least one scum? What could happen when the majority of town players have the same piece of information? Could we confirm each other asking some kind of questions about the ability an such?. This isnt jackassery, right? (Im assuming scum doesnt have the same ability we (as town) have)

Im still hitting my head with the desk. If someone had vital information for the town that scum shouldnt have known, then you dont freaking share it in the thread.
I might add myself to the "I have received the same information that G-Man is not town-alligned" list.

So... you're playing the townie card to mask a contradiction in your own logic.

Riiiiight.

I think I've found something sketchy.

Unvote: MafiaSSK
Vote: populartajo

(L-6)

What are you taliking about, Vi?

What are you talking about, taco? (It seems self-explanatory, so if I don't know what you take issue with, I don't know what to say.)

I dont understand your attacks, TBH. (shrug) Rehkrasing, maybe?

[populartajo]

Kay, thats better, thax Xi!

1. I never said scum didnt get the list. I said scum could prob know about this ability. There is no contradiction here. Only evaluation of all possible scenarios. HP could be scum but I said scum would usually follow the trend (having or not having the ability). Thats why I thik HP has more probs of being town than scum.

2. I obv know Im not faking it. And do you think my idea of confronting information with all players if all townies share this information is valid?

[populartajo]

I just noticed I had actually received the note. I'm so sorry about the confusion.

I'd like to

UnFoS

and

FoS Kairyuu

as my note doesn't specify that G-Man is anti-town. It just says he isn't aligned with town.

Interesting. So, who agrees with hp about his note?

[populartajo]

So yeah, I agree with pretty much your entire argument, and probably would have called him on the hypocritical behavior if I had been around for it when it happened.

What hypocritical behaviour?

[populartajo]

Wait.

[populartajo]

@tajo: The hypocritical behavior where you yelled at people for trying to use secret info to catch the scum, and then immediately followed it with your own idea to use secret information to catch the scum.

Theres a big difference there, Kayruu.
If I had information regarding that someone from somewhere is antitown, I simply dont share it in the thread. Someone though it was a good idea. I think it was stupid.
Who was the first to post that? Maybe scum cant daytalk and scum number 1 who prob get the note used that as a way to tell their scumpartner from HalfLife about it. Anything is possible here.
Meh, Ive been thinking lately that our friend from HalfLife is neutral or selfalligned, prob SK.
Now, what Im proposing is that we use our information to semiconfirm people, something very similar to what hp just did some posts ago.
Of course all is shit if scum did get the note.
So, where am I being hypocrite?

[populartajo]

Kayrru, there is obvious information that can be shared, obviously the one that doesnt give advantage to scum (perfect example is hp sharing his ability). Im pointing at that information. Sharing information that gives advantage to scum (what happened pages ago) is retarded and thats what I was criticizing.
Still thinking Im hypocritical?

[populartajo]

I'm criticizing him for hypocritical play. Hypocritical behavior is not always a scumtell in my book. It depends on the context and the consequences of the behavior. In this case, it is scummy, but not entirely because it is hypocritical. More because he proposed revealing more sensitive information that might exist in order to "semi-confirm" people. This, combined with the fact that he had just been criticizing people for doing the same thing, makes the underlying point look worse.

Reading this makes me think that either you are an idiot or you are scum. But I know you arent an idiot.

Vote: Kayruu.

[populartajo]

Kai, Ive explained 100 hundred times this and you still think that Im a hypocritical.
Pieces of information that DONT hurt town are TOTALLY DIFFERENT than pieces of information that DO hurt the town. Im criticizing the later, not the former.
Examples of pieces of information that DONT hurt the town are: the name of the ability, what kind of ability it is, its restriction, etc.
Examples of pieces of information that DO hurt the town are: telling the scum what name they shouldnt claim.
This isnt too hard, it is?
Your friend Vi should agree with me in this.

[populartajo]

1) veerus (58) for what it's worth.
2) Reread what you just said - one scumpartner GOT the note, the other DIDN'T. Doesn't that outrightly invalidate the entire theory right there?
3) Does that change anything?
4) How on earth do you count that as hp "clearing" himself? He said "oh wait, I agree with what everyone else said".
5) Well you've made it seem like you'll believe anything at this point (see 4) and 2) ). You're shooting holes in your own theory, which makes me wonder why you're making it in the first place.
6) Hypocrite = contradictions. So see above.

Excuse me for not being as intelligent as you, Xi. Im just taking in count all the possibilities. This is a theory and probs that could have happened. Note the use of words like "maybe" and "prob".
Do you think that hp has more probs of being scum or town?
Kin, reasons?

[populartajo]

Intelligence and taking all the ideas into account doesn't have anything to do with 4). Further, I'm not sure I buy that you were taking in all the possibilities, because doing so just means you're not saying

anything

committal because it's based on stuff we frankly cannot know. (Except that you think hp has the note, against your own logic.)

Re: hp [leaves] - Not enough data. However, the case against him is primarily based on not having the note at first, and being tipped off as to what it should say later. If you are scum, he is a likely partner.

You are most likely scum if scum did not get the note.
Kairyuu is most likely scum otherwise.
Do I know which is the case? No, but as I'm not convinced of your logic as of yet, I'm not moving my vote.

Xi

I'm not asian enough. Though I like being able to use this smiley → ⌐.⌐

You are quick to get to conclusions when not even the half of people are posting here, arent you, Ti?
We have 2 probs here.
The first one is that scum did get the note.
The second one is that scum didnt get the note.
How the confirmation of one can prove Im scum?

[populartajo]

You are quick to get to conclusions when not even the half of people are posting here, arent you, Ti?

Do I really have to be so pedantic?

Based on the information we have so far,

these are my conclusions.
Okay. Then dont come up and post things like people that are good to lynch this early.

If not, you're obviously covering for someone (hp) who didn't catch on to what the note said.

And this makes sense how?

Isn't Ti a drink with jam and bread?

I dont know, Ti.

[populartajo]

Fixing my taggy tags.

You are quick to get to conclusions when not even the half of people are posting here, arent you, Ti?

Do I really have to be so pedantic?

Based on the information we have so far,

these are my conclusions.

Okay. Then dont come up and post things like people that are good to lynch this early.

If not, you're obviously covering for someone (hp) who didn't catch on to what the note said.

And this makes sense how?

Isn't Ti a drink with jam and bread?

I dont know, Ti.

[populartajo]

Why are you people fosing ridiculous things?

[populartajo]

Tajo, how do you reconcile this:

I never said scum didnt get the list.

With this:

Also, I dont think HP is scum. HP would have to be the dumbest player ever to have posted that as scum. Scum would usually join the trend.

I do think that scum didnt get the list

or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more.
WIFOM layers, I know, but I like to think in the most probable situation.

Do you think it's possible that scum didn't receive and note

and

hp isn't scum?

You are taking things out of context. In 101 I was saying Vi that "I never said scum didnt get the list" as in "you are scum and therefore you know if scum didnt get or did get the list" In 92 I was trying to find the most prob answer. I was thinking that scum didnt prob get the note because how could it be worded in an ability?
Ability : you know that the town has an ability that lets them know that G-Man from Half-Life is not town-alligned..
How does that make sense?
Or they know that town has some information, therefore take all these fake claims.
If you further read my posts you can realize my process of reasoning: prob G-Man is not mafia but prob third party that was given a safe falseclaim.
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Take in count that I usually posts all my hypothesis in the thread. As the game progresses its pretty obvious some of them make more sense, others not.
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Ok what is this mycosynth pit you are talking about?

[populartajo]

What do you want to know? I can give you anything I need.

First of all, I am Jesus Christ(from The Holy Bible), the Townie Son of Mod.
I have no factional abilities.
I have 6 active abilities, one of which activates upon my lynch.
I have 1 active ability.

Anything else you want to know?

Rule 4, plz.

4) But you're not God!

No, apparently I'm a Serial Killer.

[populartajo]

Antiprod. Working in everything that has been posed to me.

[populartajo]

In terms of Tajo vs Vi, I'm a little torn. Tajo's "confirming people with information" seems a little odd, and I don't see how that would possibly work, or how he would seem to think we'd all have information that could confirm eachother. This bugs me a lot.

Dude, this is simple.
Apparently, the majority of players here have a note that point to a nontown player. It makes sense that if we all share a piece of common information we could confirm at least who has the note and who doesnt have it. (Example: we could ask someone the name of the ability). This could prob end in jackassery but Ive heard that PM scpeculation is normal in Nat games.
Illumina, I think you asked me a question. Could you rephrase it?

[populartajo]

Why Nat stopped posting?

[populartajo]

Kin, Ill let you finish your reread so you can post your exact reasons to vote me.

[populartajo]

Kin, Ill let you finish your reread so you can post your exact reasons to vote me.

I'll do you one better: here are my current notes on you and why I think you're most likely scum.

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Based on pop's 92, what if hp is scum, but a solo-scum type, such as SK or Jester or something. He wouldn't get the note by this logic and wouldn't know this was odd without confirmation from other players.

Pop's defense in 101 isn't convincing. He does say "I do think that scum didn't get the list or that prob scum knows there is a list but no more. (pop 92)", but immediately backs away from that in 101 "I never said scum didnt get the list. (pop 101)". Additionally he replied to Vi's question in a way that benefited him without actually being a lie. (i.e. Vi said 'You said you thought this was the way' but pop responded with 'I never said that was the way for sure', but Vi was correct in his original question, he did indeed think that was the way it was.)

More linking (by pop mostly) between hp and pop in 118, 119, 120.

Very interesting... HP goes to confirm himself, and pop stops him..... Makes me wonder if Pop is pushing the link. Pop seems scummy from this...

Another point against pop: 151. In his list of information that was "ok" were some things that anyone who played MS1 or MS2 would know aren't safe. Definitely an eye-raising moment.

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These are my notes, up to about page 7, on you, and of all my notes I'm most convinced that you're scum at this point.

Kin, trust me. Read all the thread and then post everything you think of me. Ill answer everything then.
Just wonderin:. According to you Im scum and Im linked to hp but why is he last in your "I dont know" list and why Im in your scum list?
Also excuse me for posting my thoughts in thread even if they are wrong and for not playing in MS1 and MS2. Not everyone is as cool as you are.

[populartajo]

what are your notes on hp? given all the linking you've noted, i'm surprised he's not on your "scum team" list

Simulposting ftw.

[populartajo]

Sorry for doing this but Im V/LA for two, maybe three days. If I check back it will only prob be for the game Im modding. Thx.

[populartajo]

Im here let me catch up. What the hell does 4-2-3 mean? Town-scum-something else distribution? Is that something caused by an action?

[populartajo]

Ok, yanno what? I just read my quicktopic and Nat just pissed me off. I'm sorry to my unnamed scumbuddy, but I can't stand this anymore.

I'm scum. Good job. Lynch me. please. I also am excluding myself from any future Nat-mod games.

Further, I guarantee that Vi is one of the other 3 (likely another scum faction), since he picked up the exact same thing I did. I have no idea on Tar, or really anyone else.

What happened?

[populartajo]

Posting to avoid prod and to stop procrastinating this game.

[populartajo]

Antiprod. If I have time today Ill find you scum tonight. Prob tomorrow.

[populartajo]

Extreme V/LA until Thursday.

[populartajo]

Hi. Posting soo after my V/LA.

[populartajo]

Wait, why are we lynching someone that isnt even in the game and isnt even a player that could be in the game?
Whats the case on Tar and Nat?

[populartajo]

Prodded. When is deadline?
SSK, really? G-man is not a player. Its a name of a player. Its like lynching Mao. It doesnt make sense.
Im willing to go Tar/Nat even though I havent read as much as I like. Will try to do it before deadline.
Also I think we have only 1 mafia group and a number of neutrals. Thats what the three number distributions showed us at the beginninf of the day, right?

[populartajo]

I received information that we are whack-a-moling today. Just FYI.

[populartajo]

But I want to investigate Tar.

[populartajo]

But I want to investigate Tar.

Nyeh, do what you will then. I honestly don't care.

Oh, you know another problem with alignment switching revivals? I could totally sell out my previous partner and still technically win. I'm sure everyone would enjoy that.

The good news for my previous partner is I'm not a bitch. But I have another reason to despise this game now. As I said, it's a travesty.

Tell us tell us. Do it for your team, unless you are scum of course.

[populartajo]

Votecount pluz.

[populartajo]

Im not a cult leader.
Any idea how the Aurora works?

[populartajo]

Im not a cult leader.
Im Haruhi Suzimiya, the Townie Dreaming Goddess.

[populartajo]

Im not a cult leader.
Im Haruhi Suzimiya, the Townie Dreaming Goddess.

We shouldn't lynch without more info.

Name one-shots and which one-shots you've used, please.

Abilities used
Periodic Table of Elements
The Cake is a Lie
Whack-a-Mole
The Aurora

Each day I may choose one of these abilities. The Aurora, Marleblanke Effect, Prinny Day, The Cake is a Lie, Love Thy Tentacle, Whack-A-Mole, Enter the Wired, Editor-In-Chief? Straight Ahead!!, Periodic Table of Elements. It’s ability will go into effect the next day.

[populartajo]

Tar, they "may" was in my PM. I think it should not be important since its pretty clear that I am the Dreaming Goddess.
Now, Im not lying in any of my 1-shots. If I had something to do with the Prinnys I would have made up another ability instead of the obvious one.
Using whack-a-mole when there are fewer players its more optimal than using it when there are a lot of players still alive and when the investigated has more probs of dying than today.
Anything else?
And Im not neutral. Im a townie.

[populartajo]

Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

How come?

Two words: Prinnies, dood!

(Read: Prinnies are from Disgaea. I checked. If MafiaSSK didn't know that...)

When did you realize this_?

[populartajo]

Vote: MafiaSSK.

[populartajo]

Hello all. I should be done reading some time tomorrow.

Claim now, please.
And sorry Tar, but I didnt use any ability in twilight. It would have been helpful to let me know what ability I should have used..

[populartajo]

Im not a lurky alpaca, mr. jackson. Im the dreaming goddess alpaca.
please, apologize.

tar, so you dont want me using any ability? You have no idea if any of these abilities can be helpful to town?

[populartajo]

Tar, you forgot the part where you and I can't be NK'd. I'll go with your read on Jahudo's claim.

vote: Jahudo

why cant you be nked?

[populartajo]

Jahudo, why do you keep fighting if Tar's plan gives as an autowin even if you are town?

[populartajo]

Vote : Jahudo

[populartajo]

I hammer

Vote: Isaac

[populartajo]

Woohoo, we won.
I played a perfet dreaming goddess.
Maybe I lurked too much.

Wait, Isaac was a jester, that means he also wins?