726 - Mind Screw Gaiden, Game Over

[Vi]

Also, happy birthday Vi. Pity you're Cult.

This is a classic example of how my luck works.
But thanks, Tar.

[populartajo]

Im not a cult leader.
Im Haruhi Suzimiya, the Townie Dreaming Goddess.

We shouldn't lynch without more info.

Name one-shots and which one-shots you've used, please.

Abilities used
Periodic Table of Elements
The Cake is a Lie
Whack-a-Mole
The Aurora

Each day I may choose one of these abilities. The Aurora, Marleblanke Effect, Prinny Day, The Cake is a Lie, Love Thy Tentacle, Whack-A-Mole, Enter the Wired, Editor-In-Chief? Straight Ahead!!, Periodic Table of Elements. It’s ability will go into effect the next day.

[Tarhalindur]

Im not a cult leader.
Im Haruhi Suzimiya, the Townie Dreaming Goddess.

We shouldn't lynch without more info.

Name one-shots and which one-shots you've used, please.

Abilities used
Periodic Table of Elements
The Cake is a Lie
Whack-a-Mole
The Aurora

Each day I

may

choose one of these abilities. The Aurora, Marleblanke Effect,

Prinny Day

, The Cake is a Lie, Love Thy Tentacle, Whack-A-Mole, Enter the Wired, Editor-In-Chief? Straight Ahead!!, Periodic Table of Elements. It’s ability will go into effect the next day.

I received information that we are whack-a-moling today. Just FYI.

1) The only thing that can possibly cast doubt on Poptajo having the Dreams of Reality ability is his phrasing - Dreams of Reality has ALWAYS been mandatory in my games, and I'm not sure why Nat would use it differently (pop, if that was an error on your part, now would be a good time to mention it).

Periodic Table sounds like a Count of Monte Cristo to me, so that checks out.
Whack-A-Mole is fairly obvious, though I'm not sure why poptajo didn't use it straight off the bat.

The only other ability I'm fairly sure about what it might do is Editor in Chief - I can think of at least one and probably 2 Tar setups where that ability turned the game into Presidentmaker for at least a short duration.

The Aurora comes from Magic: the Gathering (Lorwyn/Shadowmoor); in the original flavor, it caused the world to change from a light, happy place to a dark, evil one. No idea exactly what it does, though. (Same for Enter the Wired - flavor is obviously Serial Experiments Lain, not sure exactly what it does.)

2) I'm still not sure that poptajo is telling the truth. The key problem here is that Prinny Day ability, which sounds suspiciously like something that would start up the Prinny infestation. I'm not sure, though... there's a bit of a timing issue (it would have to have started its effect on the same day it was used - Day 2 - which is unusual for a Dreams of Reality action to say the least).

Poptajo *could* still be the source of the Prinny infestation. The key is that poptajo is lying about one specific one-shot (meaning he's either Neutral Dreaming God - probably not a threat, I'd expect Dreaming God to not be a faction - or Mafia Dreaming God - in which case he used Whack-a-Mole in an attempt to falseclear himself - or REALLY silly town). If so, he probably used used the Prinny Day ability Day 2, starting the endless Prinny reviving. Whether or not this could have anything to do with Kinetic's disappearance is a good question (dead player becomes an invisible Prinny Reviver-Cult Leader?).

That possibility, however, seems somewhat unlikely. We should be able to leave poptajo alone for the time being.

I want to force a claim out of UROE now.

Hell, come to think of it, I want to force a post out of UROE.

Mod: Please prod/replace UROE

[Tarhalindur]

Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

Hell yes I would. Just like I'd expect a roleblocking of a resurrect to work (double-life players excepted). In my ability order, those abilities have Special priority (the worst ability priority you can have).

Also, we already knew you weren't town, but thanks for pretty much claiming it. Seriously, fearmongering?

Natirasha should have changed *something* though.

Maybe I am maybe I'm not.

Actually, UROE can wait.

MafiaSSK, claim or die.

[MafiaSSK]

Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

Hell yes I would. Just like I'd expect a roleblocking of a resurrect to work (double-life players excepted). In my ability order, those abilities have Special priority (the worst ability priority you can have).

Also, we already knew you weren't town, but thanks for pretty much claiming it. Seriously, fearmongering?

Natirasha should have changed *something* though.

Maybe I am maybe I'm not.

Actually, UROE can wait.

MafiaSSK, claim or die.

What's the need? I barely have any votes on me. You're the only one casting suspicion.

[populartajo]

Tar, they "may" was in my PM. I think it should not be important since its pretty clear that I am the Dreaming Goddess.
Now, Im not lying in any of my 1-shots. If I had something to do with the Prinnys I would have made up another ability instead of the obvious one.
Using whack-a-mole when there are fewer players its more optimal than using it when there are a lot of players still alive and when the investigated has more probs of dying than today.
Anything else?
And Im not neutral. Im a townie.

[Tarhalindur]

Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

Hell yes I would. Just like I'd expect a roleblocking of a resurrect to work (double-life players excepted). In my ability order, those abilities have Special priority (the worst ability priority you can have).

Also, we already knew you weren't town, but thanks for pretty much claiming it. Seriously, fearmongering?

Natirasha should have changed *something* though.

Maybe I am maybe I'm not.

Actually, UROE can wait.

MafiaSSK, claim or die.

What's the need? I barely have any votes on me. You're the only one casting suspicion.

MafiaSSK, the case against you is quite simple:

1) I roleblocked you yesterday. There was no Mafia kill yesterday. That alone is enough to warrant a claim from you. (Speaking of that, we need to force a claim from veerus once we're done with you. I forgot to do so D3 because I was too busy with other things like forcing FL to hammer MM.)
2) You've been fearmongering. Observe:

Gentlemen, even if there is a mycosynth pit in the game, given what my ability is supposed to do to metal players it might be a better idea to throw Nat in the pit tomorrow (allowing me to nail the super for targeting metal), considering how useful the bonus for targeting metal is.

We can't risk you being scum and getting some double kill.

Anyway, I agree with your plan. We lynch mssk while you block tajo. I disagree that cult is more dangerous. If tajo uses an ability to revive players, Tar's block would prevent that. While mssk won't be able to kill anyone period.

vote: MafiaSSK

You really expect a roleblock of a cult-recruiting in Mind Screw Mafia to work?

Since you refuse to cooperate, we'll do this the old-fashioned way, scumbag. Even though I suspect you're stalling to give the mod a chance to make a falseclaim for you.

Now, everyone, let's run him up to claim range QUICKLY - don't want to give him time to receive a mod-granted falseclaim PM, do we?

Vote: MafiaSSK

[Tarhalindur]

Actually, no need to dogpile. I just went back and counted MafiaSSK votes.

The Unofficial First Vote Count of Day 4

MafiaSSK (3) - veerus, Isacc, Tarhalindur
populartajo (0)
UnofficialRulerOfEveryone (0)
Isacc (0)
Tarhalindur (0)
veerus (0)
Vi (0)

Not Voting (4) - MafiaSSK, populartajo, Isacc, Vi

Votes to lynch: presumably 4

MafiaSSK, you are at L-1. That is NOT "barely any votes on me". Quite the opposite, actually. Claim in your next post or die.

[Tarhalindur]

Speaking of that: ON PAIN OF DEATH, NOBODY HAMMER MAFIASSK.

Got it?

[MafiaSSK]

Flonne(from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness) a normal Townie (besides the G-man info).

[Tarhalindur]

Flonne(from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness) a normal Townie (besides the G-man info).

Only thing that supports that claim is that we haven't seen a lynch-bait Townie yet.

Still doesn't get MafiaSSK off the hook, though. Especially given that we need to deal with Prinnies.

I don't want an immediate hammer, however. I'd like some time to think. Specifically, if MafiaSSK is actually town: Do I need to block the Mafioso or the Cult Leader?

Blocking the Mafioso should remove a kill (probably targeted on my ass).
Blocking the Cult Leader removes a revive/recruit (either on MafiaSSK or hp [leaves].

[Tarhalindur]

What the hell? How did I not notice something that big for so long?

Looking over the last few days... I haven't seen a single Mafia kill during the entire game.

D1: Kinetic dies (unknown, presumably Bender or role-related), Nat lynched, zwet supersainted, hp [leaves] killed by me
D2: FL lynched, Vi dies (presumably suicide)
D3: No kills
D4: Illumina RFG'd (presumably role-related), Nat relynched, FL supersainted

The only day when there was no revive was when Nat claimed blocking the Mafia kill... or was FL trying to con us out there?

Could the Prinny revive *be* the Mafia kill?

[veerus]

If that's the case, then how do we win? Lynch mafia then lynch prinny's? If so, I think that helps your block choice, especially if MafiaSSK is lynched today. As for you being targeted, I wouldn't worry about that. Unless I was roleblocked last night, you now have permanent protection from all night kills on you.

[veerus]

fyi, see sig

[UnofficialRulerOfEveryone]

Go ahead and replace me, the outlook isn't looking good for at least another month.

[Vi]

Posting to say "Are we there yet?" because this game is slow and I don't have time to say anything insightful elsewhere.

[MafiaSSK]

Posting to say "Are we there yet?" because this game is slow and I don't have time to say anything insightful elsewhere.

QFT

[Tarhalindur]

Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

[MafiaSSK]

Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

How come?

[Tarhalindur]

Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

How come?

Two words: Prinnies, dood!

(Read: Prinnies are from Disgaea. I checked. If MafiaSSK didn't know that...)

[Vi]

This would be a good time for a

mod

to step in.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

20th Vote Count

Tarhalindur():
Populartajo():
Isacc():
MafiaSSK(3): veerus, Isacc, Tarhalindur
veerus():
UnofficialRulerofEveryone():

FoS Count
Illumina():
Tarhalindur():
Populartajo():
Isacc():
Natirasha():
MafiaSSK():
veerus():
UnofficialRulerofEveryone():
Forbiddanlight():

I'll search for an replacement for UROE.

[populartajo]

Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

How come?

Two words: Prinnies, dood!

(Read: Prinnies are from Disgaea. I checked. If MafiaSSK didn't know that...)

When did you realize this_?

[Tarhalindur]

Meh, I say hammer at will. Disgaea origin claim is just bad.

How come?

Two words: Prinnies, dood!

(Read: Prinnies are from Disgaea. I checked. If MafiaSSK didn't know that...)

When did you realize this_?

Since before the game started. Note my comment from the beginning of the day, immediately after Nat and FL were revealed as Prinny Vassals:

Thoughts:

- I concur with Prinnies being survivor-cult. (Dammit, I was planning on using a variant of that role in a future game.)
- Illumina was neutral, he removed himself from the game yesterday, and the flavor appears to be linked to his own role. I strongly believe his role was a Survivor of the same type that I used in Mind Screw Mafia 1 (might be a Hitman instead); at any rate, I'm almost certain he removed himself from the game. That means there's a missing Mafia kill to account for.
- I blocked MafiaSSK D4, in the belief that he was likely the last Mafioso. Given that there's probably no Mafia kill yesterday, I believe I was right.
- We know the exact identity of each possible Mafioso and each possible neutral. Consider the following information:

- A player was revived on each of D2, D3, and D4. This means, barring something odd like Rapid Actions, that I have never roleblocked the Prinny maker (and I'd be astounded if there was an unroleblockable Cult (anything Cult-like is already risky in a Mini).
- There is a missing kill D4. There may be a missing kill D1, but there is a possible alternative: looking over my ability wording again, the kill effect may be a replacement effect instead of a bonus effect (in other words, the mod notes could be that I can kill or roleblock, depending on ability type, but not both) - the Kinetic "kill" could have been due to hp [leaves]. Alternately, it could have been something built into either his role or Nat's role. There are no other missing kills that I can see.
- I roleblocked hp [leaves] D1, Isacc D2, veerus D3, and MafiaSSK D4.
- Vi is all-but-confirmed Prinny Vassal, given that all other revived players have had that role.

- Prinny maker probably comes from a Disgaea game (I admire Nat's taste). If somebody has rolebased that a player comes from Disgaea, now's the time to speak up.

Conclusions:
- MafiaSSK is, in keeping with his player name, Mafia, and made the Mafia kill D4. Given that Kinetic, when he was posting as a player, was revealed as Mafia Godfather, I strongly suspect that MafiaSSK is the last Mafioso (at least on the player list...)
- Populartajo is probably the Prinny maker (I'm investigated Town; Vi is confirmed non-Cult Leader; veerus, Isacc, and MafiaSSK have been roleblocked by me and survived, and thus aren't the Cult Leader; UROE is inactive, so the only way he can recruit is if the recruiting is forced), and probably a Cult Leader.
- I'm getting really, really paranoid about the possibility that Kinetic has the invisible/Lain ability (given how much Nat has tried to subvert my comments this game, fitting a different version of Lain in this game sounds like something he'd do) and is still in the game (either as a Mafia Godfather or as a Cult Leader). I'm probably using my roleblock on him today (especially since Kinetic might be Number 6, and Number 6, as a Cylon, might be viggable).

Question is: Do we kill MafiaSSK or poptajo today?

Second question is: Could mass ability claim be worth it? We're approaching the point where I should be able to break the setup in half.

Also, note my original reaction:

Flonne(from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness) a normal Townie (besides the G-man info).

Only thing that supports that claim is that we haven't seen a lynch-bait Townie yet.

Still doesn't get MafiaSSK off the hook, though.

Especially given that we need to deal with Prinnies.

I don't want an immediate hammer, however. I'd like some time to think. Specifically, if MafiaSSK is actually town: Do I need to block the Mafioso or the Cult Leader?

Blocking the Mafioso should remove a kill (probably targeted on my ass).
Blocking the Cult Leader removes a revive/recruit (either on MafiaSSK or hp [leaves].

Lynch bait here was because there's obviously at least one scum/neutral Disgaea role in the game and the claim (vanilla from a series which is known to have at least one scum) sounded similar to, say, Yuki from MSII. (Also note the "especially since we need to deal with Prinnies" wording - again, showing that I knew Prinnies were from Disgaea.)

This wouldn't be nearly as important if not for the fact that MafiaSSK just let us know that he DIDN'T know that Prinnies were from Disgaea. And that significantly increases his chances of being the Prinny maker.

[populartajo]

Vote: MafiaSSK.