Open 106 - Impotence Mafia (Game Over!) before 714

[Crazy]

I should note that I'm looking for a replacement for Appassionata...

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Vote Count:

xofelf

(0)

mrfixij

(0)

magisterrain

(0)

yorgi

(0)

EmpTyger

(0)

afatchic

(0)

BlondeSoWut

(1) - Appassionata

StrangerCoug

(4) - Caboose, crywolf20084, EmpTyger, mrfixij

Appassionata

(6) - BlondeSoWut, afatchic, yorgi, Zakeri, magisterrain, StrangerCoug

Zakeri

(0)

Caboose

(0)

crywolf20084

(0)

Not voting

(1) - xofelf

With 12 players alive, 7 votes will achieve a lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is January 3.

[EmpTyger]

I don’t have enough time right now to fully express my frustration the laziness of this town. The fact is, we’re out of time. As much as I think that the reasons being given for his lynch are atrocious, I also don’t see much real hope of 3 switching to SC at this point. (Although, I would love to be pleasantly surprised.) Note that if it comes to Appassionata or no-lynch, I cannot guarantee internet access between now and deadline.

In case I’m not around tomorrow, practically everyone on the Appassionata bandwagon (except perhaps ironically SC, who even though his stated reasons deserve no leniency [see below], would at least have a quasi-legitimate “him or me” explaining why he’s trying to underhandedly squeak a Appassionata lynch by) needs to be examined based on their purported rationale for voting. SC and yorgi were so strenuously disagreeing with BSW until the votes swung.

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SC:

Let's get the ball rolling and do something. I owed Appassionata a reread. Here it is:

Starts with a random vote, and then the case on me, then on BlondeSoWut. The case on me is fine, but he reduces the case on BlondeSoWut to crap. Just read this:

Emp, I really really really really want to win! Thats why Im playing! So Im trying to find out whos in the mafia. I think its App so I said that and I said why. I know I might die so incase I do, I said Yorgi could be in the mafia with App. I really am trying. I dont know wut more you want from me. I said who I think is in the mafia. I voted for him. I said why. I answered questions. Now people are voting for me. I dont get it.

You sound really stupid, and annoying.

Vote: BSW

This is

argumentum ad hominem

.

There’s undeniably a component of ad hom, but there’s more to it than that. Because there’s logical reason why “BSW is mafia” would follow from “BSW sounding really stupid and annoying”. As I’ve already explained, BSW is clearly choosing to behave a way that is suboptimal for the town. Less so than, say Natirasha or you, but it’s still a legitimate argument.

<snip>

I don't know for sure if anyone is mafia.
I don't like BSW and Natarisha. Apparantly, though from what I read Nat always acts like that, though I do not understand it.
BSQ, I see no logical reason why he would be doing things the way he is now...

If you have no clue who's Mafia, then why the heck are you voting?
<snip>

1) You are twisting Appassionata’s “I don’t know for sure” into “no clue”.
2) Since when is certainty a prerequisite for voting? On the contrary, the town *must* vote, even when it’s not sure- otherwise, it cannot progress.

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magisterrain:

<snip>
i feel like the scum are trying to delay things and lead to a mislynch
<snip>

Specifics?

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afatchic:

And Im not voting Stranger cus I think Apass has a better chance of being in the mafia.

We all

HAVE

the same chance of being in the mafia. care to explain why you think app is scummier then SC?

BSW why are you convinced app is scum?
<snip>

Given how *you* are voting, what’s your point? At the very least, answer your own question. Why didn’t you vote SC?

[Appassionata]

Could not post the past week due to a computer problem....I'll read more closely what i missed.

I am one of the vigilantse.

[Crazy]

I should note that I'm looking for a replacement for Appassionata...

Nevermind. Appassionata has PMed me telling me that he can continue the game.

Simulpost.

Prodding afatchic, BlondeSoWut, mrfixij, xofelf, and Zakeri.

[StrangerCoug]

<snip>

I don't know for sure if anyone is mafia.
I don't like BSW and Natarisha. Apparantly, though from what I read Nat always acts like that, though I do not understand it.
BSQ, I see no logical reason why he would be doing things the way he is now...

If you have no clue who's Mafia, then why the heck are you voting?
<snip>

1) You are twisting Appassionata’s “I don’t know for sure” into “no clue”.

The difference being?

2) Since when is certainty a prerequisite for voting?

Since voting blindly became invalid. If you're not reasonably certain that someone is scum, then at least make an educated guess before you vote. Appassionata saying "I don't know for sure if anyone is mafia" implies that he is not reasonably certain of and does not have an educated guess as to scum.

[magisterrain]

my impression now is that appassionata is not all that adept at mafia.

unvote

for now

[StrangerCoug]

*grumble, grumble*

Unvote: Appassionata

[mrfixij]

Dear god, I confirm my vote a while ago and I get modprodded again? All we've got is a baseless suspicion against apass, who is now a claimed vig. I'm still backing SC.

[crywolf20084]

Most bolding is being done by me for emphasis.

Hence "at least one"—the one game I played with you where you did so and actually were the serial killer.

Not much here. Factual statement.

Very factual...He's done it in another game I played in /end random fact's. Hard core scum hunting to follow.... okay maybe not

hard core

...

I'm officially making my random vote a real vote for threatening to vote another player.

Voting for EmpTyger for something that's not a scumtell.
+scumpoints

Caboose, I wouldn’t call them

scumpoints

per say, but I would call them anti-town points. Most people unvote their random votee, then find something to vote them for.

Some people consider it so, and knowing Natirasha the way EmpTyger's post is worded rubs me the wrong way. (EmpTyger may not be familiar with Natirasha's meta, but seriously, why give another player an ultimatum?) The massclaim issue is another thing against Emp, and I don't like the idea of it at this stage of the game.

EmpTyger was trying to get Nat to not be useless, and you vote him for it? I don't get that. How

is offering an ultimatum to get someone to stop acting anti-town scummy?

And the fact that you're voting Nat yourself for being useless just adds to the hypocrisy here.
+more scumpoints

This.

Not sure which one's really scummier than the other, but I'm leaning EmpTyger at the moment.

...Ah, what the hell. Vote: EmpTyger again.

This comes after a mrfixij post asking why SC doesn't have a vote on either Nat or Emp. Knee-jerk reaction?

This post looks forced.

And this.

Why are people only looking at Emp and Nat as mafia? What about Ap and Chen?

Don’t care much for your post. Why don’t

you

look???

End of page four.

I know I’m going slow, but I’m sick and am working a 32 hr week at my part time job, and I have my horse that I just bought that needs lots of attention (<3 She’s so purdy). Next week won’t be as bad, all the stupid grade school kids will be back in school and I won’t be starting work at 11:30 everyday, chopping it in half.

[afatchic]

afatchic:

And Im not voting Stranger cus I think Apass has a better chance of being in the mafia.

We all

HAVE

the same chance of being in the mafia. care to explain why you think app is scummier then SC?

BSW why are you convinced app is scum?
<snip>

Given how *you* are voting, what’s your point? At the very least, answer your own question. Why didn’t you vote SC?

BSW gave a crap reason for voting apass of SC, so i asked her to elaborate a bit better. if i had stated i was either voting apass and SC, and gave a bad reason to vote apass, then yes i would be glad to answer my own question.
@ your question- i really don't think he has acted that scummy...

@ everyone regaurding Apass. isn't vig the claim for the scum to make? if he claims Vanilla townie, he gets lynched, so he claims a PR, yet can't really be countered since all three would have to counter in order for Apass to be lynched. so what is everyones thoughts on the claim?

[StrangerCoug]

@ everyone regaurding Apass. isn't vig the claim for the scum to make? if he claims Vanilla townie, he gets lynched, so he claims a PR, yet can't really be countered since all three would have to counter in order for Apass to be lynched. so what is everyones thoughts on the claim?

Since there are three vigilantes (only one of which actually shoots), vig's the easiest power role to fake here, yes. Therefore, I would treat it identically to a Day 1 doctor claim—don't lynch the person without a good reason.

[Caboose]

SC is still scum.

[yorgi]

Appassionata: Since you have claimed do you have thoughts on who is scum?
I need to reread this game. Sigh

[BlondeSoWut]

Why should we believe Appass just cus he says we should? If saying wut he said makes him town, wouldnt mafia say that so we think they r town?

[StrangerCoug]

Why should we believe Appass just cus he says we should? If saying wut he said makes him town, wouldnt mafia say that so we think they r town?

Uh, BlondeSoWut, Appassionata said nothing along the lines of us believing him. Read please.

[Caboose]

I would like to remind everyone that tomorrow is deadline and we still need to lynch someone or we go into the night with a no lynch.

And SC is still scum.

[Appassionata]

Why is SC scum?

[crywolf20084]

Read. Caboose has been kind and has listed many things.

Don't have time to write everything I have floating in my brain, but for the most part I agree with Caboose, and find SC the scummiest.

Unvote

if I have a vote out, and

Vote: StrangCoug

[xofelf]

oh my gosh i'm sooo sorry... things have been so crazy with me packing up to go to texas...
well considering that tomorrow is the deadline i'm going to cast my vote. Considering that the majority of what this player has done wasn't in favor of the town, i

vote StrangerCoug

and just a side note...i'm going to have a limit of computer access the next two weeks as i'm in Texas for my brother's wedding....i will do my best to attempt to check things and post but it's going to be very slim

[StrangerCoug]

Vanilla.

[magisterrain]

ok, im gonna go ahead affix my vote to strangercoug.

vote: strangercoug

he has been extremely wishy washy all game. while i dont think this is necessarily a scumtell, he hasnt been all that helpful to the town. this game has been strange (with blondsowut and appasionata especially)
we now have a vig claim, after the first several pages were devoted to whether there should be a mass vig claim. we have lots of stuff to go on in day 2, but only if we get some kind of information tonight. it would be to the scums advantage to have a no lynch. now that the deadline is tomorrow, we should lynch sc. if he's town, he will at least be offering us something in the form of information about the scum.
meh. i wish i hadn't come into this game so close to a deadline.

[BlondeSoWut]

Vote Stranger

so at least sum1 dies.

[Caboose]

magisterrain was the hammer.

If SC flips scum, I'll be about 90% confident that BSW is scum as well.

[Crazy]

Final Vote Count:

xofelf

(0)

mrfixij

(0)

magisterrain

(0)

yorgi

(0)

EmpTyger

(0)

afatchic

(0)

BlondeSoWut

(1) - Appassionata

StrangerCoug

(7) - Caboose, crywolf20084, EmpTyger, mrfixij, xofelf, magisterrain, BlondeSoWut

Appassionata

(3) - afatchic, yorgi, Zakeri

Zakeri

(0)

Caboose

(0)

crywolf20084

(0)

Not voting

(1) - StrangerCoug

With 12 players alive, 7 votes will achieve a lynch.

Seeing as the sun is about to set and the only other popular target claimed to be a vigilante, you decide to lynch StrangerCoug. Indeed, "sum1" did die, but he was just a

Vanilla Townie

.

Night 1 begins now. Please PM your night action(s), if you have any, to me in the next 96 hours. Remember that Compulsive Vigs are

required

to send in a kill!

[Crazy]

Xtoxm replaces Zakeri.

It is still Night.